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Should PvP Solo queue be made permanent?
zeusom
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Straightforward vote.
Should PvP Solo queue be made permanent? 85 votes
Yes
92%
79 votes
No
7%
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(1) same tenacity for all. Off gear, now as environmental stat
(2) Return of diminishing return curves for pvp only. Including HP and Power
(3) Bring back NCL. Seasonal resets, permanent.
(4) Bring back solo q. Permanent feature.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1229238/pvp-suggestions-keep-it-simple-stupid-solutions/p1
Iyon the Dark
The biggest is gear gap. The power difference the BIS player has over the casual is so immense... People have quit trying to play PVP because a BIS player is 3x-4x as powerful as the average PVE player.
removing tenacity on gear and giving it to everyone will be a HUGE first step.
The second step is equalizing gear. THis can be done via the diminishing returns proposal from the poster above me (josiahiyon). Something needs to happen to equalize stats in PVP though so that the value of that extra 10k ARP or 20k Power or whatever the BIS player over an average player is diminished.
Think of it as "reverse boosting".
When leveling a lvl 41 gets boosted to lvl 49 to be competitive.
In this idea the BIS 4.3k players get "debolstered" down to the 3k range - or whatever is "average". This is done VIA different diminishing returns for PVP.
So if an "average" 3k Player has 5k ARP. The value of 20k ARP would be negligible compared to 5k.
If the average player has 5k Crit. The value of anything over 5k would be severely diminished...
ETC ETC.
This way everyone can be "competitive" in PVP.
All the work was done in @josiahiyon post here:http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter#/discussion/1229238/pvp-suggestions-keep-it-simple-stupid-solutions
Its very easy.
1) Remove Tenacity on gear. Increase each characters base from 10% to 35% tenacity for everyone.
2) Implement a diminishing returns curve on stats for PVP only that is different than PVE. The formulas and work are ALL done for the DEVs.
You even further make my point that PVP needs a MAJOR change. Everymodule that I have played, new "PVP breaking" things come online.
Going back to the VERY beginning. Tenebrous Enchants through module 1. With module 2 came the infamous "Emblem" Artifact. Then you have things like module 3 - I forget the artifact but it allowed you to 1 shot someone... Then you had boons like Avalanche that was multi-proccing etc etc.
Each module, each release of new artifacts, boons, etc. ALL breaks PVP. It doesnt really impact PVE that much. None of those things were broken in PVP.
This is exactly the problem. They need to separate out these game modes because right now, allowing 100% of the PVE stuff in PVP breaks it.
A PRIME example is companions. SH Siege and OW PVP - one of the issues that plagues those are companions.
what they NEED to do is remove all boons/mounts/companions/insignias/etc from PVP> Frankly, I dont see them doing that though so the NEXT best thing is to diminish the impact of all of those things via what that link stated:
- remove tenacity on gear
- Diminishing return curve for PVP only.
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Some people like their individual builds and special gem loadouts. And we should be able to use whatever we have at our disposal to win the game. You know as long it isnt cheating of course.
But on the the OP's topic.. Yes there should always be a solo que. But with a few stipulations...
1. Make it so you can't que sync it by not telling you up at the top if you have "Waiting in que" or "MAP" so you wont know if its about to pop and have no warning when it pulls you in.
2. Make it so it doesn't favor guildmates, friends or alliance people to put them on your team.
Hey look I just fixed the whole issue with solo que right there wow that was easy.
Class balance and other issues are a completely different issue then the OP's post and are pointless to talk about here. If you are against solo queing you just wanna fight pugs with your 5 man but don't wanna admit it.
But soloque would, especially if cryptic at least tries again to get a proper elo system running to get ballanced teams. Far to often i see pvps, where all the powerfull players are in one team, despite all having qued seperatly. I still dont undestand how they broke it, it used to work reasonably fine in the past. Sometimes i get the feeling, that cryptic has given up on pvp, like with the foundry. The last developer live stream also seemed to indicate as much.
I could write an essay, but the main point is, there is literally zero harm in making the soloque a permanent feature, and there is a good chance, that it will improve the overall pvp experience.
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PS4 characters:
Brie Liadon, Shotgun Wizard
Disposable Hero, Kidney removal technician
Valorous Cake, Armored pastry defender
Ginger Christ needs no introductions
Aelan Icebleed (CW)
Aelan Icebleed (CW)
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Making everyone equal in a pvp environment is nothing new. Its being done by other games very well, its out there and any developer can copy it. They dont need us telling them how, what is important is they dont want to do it. Simple as that. Why? I'll let you folks work that out yourselves.
even when there was Pvp with the devs they came out in the most embarrassing crappy gear ever
worst powers ever and did not even use thier mount at the camp to ride to mid they WALKED to go contest the point
Aelan Icebleed (CW)
but to be honest, they should keep it event thing. and empower it.
let it be an event where u reset the table (and make it works)
drop prizes random in PVP if you cap durring this time. (limit amout of prices per day if you afraid of point trading, or let the prize be equal the amounts of kills/hp delt during capture)
bring the leauge back durring the event with the old prices.
what ever they feel, just bring something new and not only bug fixes.
@nitocris83
Perhaps they should consider the soloQ as a non-competitive league vs the 5 man "competitive league". Not-so-different when I played intramural basketball in grad school, i.e. they had this type of tiered system. Hell I like playing recklessly in the soloQ, lowbies get kills/talk HAMSTER and it was as fun as a competitive 5v5 premade match.
I hope I didn't just cast Raise Dead on this thread. It would only have 1 hp (old DnD reference)
When this game was at its peak in population (and profits mind you) There were TONS of people on twitch streaming PVP. The Russian NW server, was even more "harcore" with its PVP.
The issue, is that PVP players, invested SO much in their characters and this game, its made it very difficult to leave.. I know some that have invested thousands... As in plural (meaning more than 1).
It has ALOT of things going for it, that attract PVPers.... Its a shame its fallen so far from its "roots".
I recall a time, where I would get on during Dungeon Delves (which I still think is genius BTW as it "rallies" the community to all do the same thing at the same time). We would run T2 dungeons for T2 gear, in which, not only was it the BIS gear to USE... it was also sellable, which created a very healthy and fun place to play. Doing dungeons = profit. Doing dungeons = how you gear for both PVE and PVP. It didnt require "RP" or "dailies". Then you would Que up for PVP, and never knew what you would get! It was awesome. The population was large enough that you would occasionally meet people who were very formidable opponents you had never met before. You might bump into a premade, in which it would intice you to make your own and challenge them! The premade scene was very healthy, even hosting tournaments both on the live server and the PTR - which was streamed and brought in even MORE players and MORE profits for the game.
But the key was, the PVP went "hand in hand" with PVE. The gear needed for PVP was farmed/earned through doing DUNGEON runs. There were not "tenacity" that forced you to have separate gear or enchants... Sure builds and stats varied, but even the most hardcore PVE players were still solid opponents in PVP , able to hold their own.
it was a good time...
Then came the modules. Module 1 was largely a success. It brought new gear, new dungeon, with new BIS gear earned THROUGH that dungeon. It gave us something more to do for a while.... However then we started to fall deeper down the rabbit hole... Module 2 brought "artifacts" and needing "RP" to level them. No longer was BIS gear "dropped". You now had to get these and spend currency to level them up - creating a "pay wall" for PVP. You also saw broken items like the Emblem which made PVP a "Emblem or GTFO" type of game... Forcing players to spend 6M AD on these for a GREEN item, and it alone would allow a player to take on several opponents and win. Also, with this it started to create a "gap" between players. This is where I had to choose.... Before this, I played SEVERAL classes and had decent gear on them all and was able to compete in PVP on any of them, depending on my mood.... Mod 2 made me focus on just 1 of them due to the high AD cost and time demand to do the dailies.
Mod 3+ broke the camels back, and we have not recovered since... More boons, more gear gap, now "tenactiy" creates a "gear divide" permanently separating the PVE and PVP player base... Companions completely ruined any open world PVP. Overpowered GWF/HR builds that were unkillable and dominated domination so much so, that the only moderately non GWF/HR class that could even play PVP was a TR - who didnt even fight but contested nodes 24/7 without dying...
Since then, it has never recovered..... I dont understand how they dont look at this timeline and think.... Hmmm... maybe we took the wrong path. Maybe "dailies" were not the best idea. Maybe deviating from having Dungeons the main focus... wasnt a good idea. Maybe having to level gear up, compared to just having it drop... wasnt a good idea... maybe having a "divide" in gear for PVE and PVP player bases... wasnt a good idea.
The PVP solution is simple. Go back to when it was good. The "HOW" is simple as well.
- Every character currently has 10% base tenacity. Increase this to the current levels and remove tenacity as a stat on gear. This brings us BACK to "PVE offers the best PVP gear" which ENCOURAGES more people to play PVE AND PVP.
- Next would be to REMOVE all the boons in PVP. This has created a massive gap between the average player and the seasoned VET. The boons make up more stats than all your gear combined and cant even be farmed... they are time gated.. so even once someone hits lvl 70, they have no hope in being "competitive" for atleast a month of playing every. single. day.... Even many "retired" players list the boons as the #1 reason they dont want to come back. They dont want to do daily quests that are all largely boring and repetitive, every day, just to eventually be competitive after farming their boons for weeks, if not months....
There are others, that have been written about all over these forums (such as mounts and overloads, etc.), so I wont write more, but this is the direction this game needs to go, and unless it stops trying to "money grab" from its players by sticking to this "RP for gear" system.... itll never re-populate back to former levels... Which BTW, it STILL COULD, if it went back to the EXCELLENT game model this game used to be before all the modules screwed it all up.
Put the focus on dungeons, remove the "gear gap" not only between PVE and PVP but the "casual PVPer" vs the "Veteran PVPer". This is what will #MakeNeverwinterGreatAgain!
was really fun, and was some kind of pvp on D&D tabletop
the problem with neverwinter pvp is that he's broken, really broken...
tenacity is a weird thing that keep almost any pve player away from pvp and the classes are not balanced for a fair fight, plus there's no kind of tier, so in the end we get a lot of one sided matches...
the Solo queue dont solve this but at least make it random...