Please fix the Lockbock drop rate

lordmalak · February 2017

So I have literally opened about 2500 lock boxes to get a legendary mount. I used to get enough from the drop boxes to sell enough to at least make about 80% back but ever since mod 10 it's been getting worse and worse. Constant level 7 enchantments and companion HAMSTER. Every once in about 1 in 200 boxes I get something worth about 400k so I spend 200 dollars and get 10 back. I understand not everyone gets them in 5 boxes but come on I'm at 2500 and counting. It's to the point I'm not going to spend a dime till it's fixed. Please fix this. Am I the only one who feels this way?

zman81420 · February 2017

I may be bad at math but let me see here.
2500 lockboxs (x) 125 zen each = 312,500 zen. If aquired with ADax 312,500 (x) let's say 305 = 95,312,500 AD spent. Is this a moral victory you seek?

lordmalak · February 2017

Honestly, I'm under the full realization that the game needs to make money to support their games and improve them. But those lock boxes generate a lot of revenue and withe the increase drop rate in the dungeons it's caused more of what used to be in the lockbox to be worthless. Maybe they need to really look at what's dropping and find the value of buying those boxes anymore. Because what they are currently dropping is not good at all.

dratomic1 · February 2017

No you are not the only one who feels this way. Game is not getting any more money from me in it's current state. I refuse to drop in money to get a reward at the end of a dungeon. That system is broken, it broke the market it broke the basic design fundamentals of D&D.

The game needs to yield an income to pay it's bills, repay investors, earn a bit of profit.

If income is an issue (which seems to be the way given the actions they are taking), then fix the income model.
Raise the price of VIP,
lower the price of other items (greatly, no way im buying 5000 ZEN with real life cash to avoid a grind),
increase pull rates to reasonable levels,
remove keys all together but keep "enhanced" loot drops (further crashes AD market, making ZEN more valuable)
remove bta and btc (further helping AD deflation)
make sure ZEN is worth the money you drop in. 23000 ZEN for 200$ (184 keys should sorta guarantee you a legendary pull)
Drop in 200$ and get a 10% return in value does not entice sales.
Earn your way to 6.9 million to only get a 10% return is frustrating but at least it's just in game money...

The whole loot system and it's bandaid fixes are broken from lottery chests to dungeon drops through skill nodes and normal mob drops.

The one thing that makes Neverwinter great is it's combat system. The story telling is disjointed, confusing and not engaging at all. Pay to make your character look good only to have it undone because of enchantment effects that are needed for your character to be competitive. The grind is getting beyond Everquest of old levels. Casual players stand no chance even with a platinum creditcard in hand. Game design has completely forfeited fun for grind, instead of balancing it delicately.

-end rant

oldbaldyone · February 2017

dratomic1#3275 said:
No you are not the only one who feels this way. Game is not getting any more money from me in it's current state. I refuse to drop in money to get a reward at the end of a dungeon.

If everyone that said this, did this, it might have an impact. Course, the impact would be that the game shuts down, and resources shifted to the next reskin of a popular game.

kydavi · February 2017

You aren't alone; I am nowhere near 2500 boxes open, but I have popped several hundred. Best thing I ever got was an ensorcelled weapon that didn't even work for my class and only sold for about 4k AD in the AH.

Its sad but true that the game is starting to alienate casual players; either play the game so much it is essentially a career or never hope to advance. My guild is about to drop me because I told them I was no longer going to be playing daily anymore (apparently wanting to spend more of my free time with my children makes me undedicated) and without guild boons at high IL you can't compete.

Maybe its about time to just move on...

moogie101 · February 2017

Feel the same way, I've dropped a few quid on the game to support it & opened more than a couple of boxes but still no Legendary Mount & with the way things are I haven't spent a penny on the game in ages & got no intention of doing so until something changes especially with all these recent dungeon drops often being far better than anything I get from my daily VIP key!

mrroofer · February 2017

I've had vip over a year so that's over 365 keys then the 40 percent off keys I get maybe every other day so about 160 then count the thousand or so I've bought puts me at 1500+ boxes and pulled one Epic mount rage drake , one Epic companion box and that's it. I get nothing from this game dungeons or what have you I swear if I see another profession pack or companion pack I'm gonna puke lol complete garbage these lock boxes are.

yiazzy · February 2017

What? Unless every character you have is fully kitted with Mythic Artifacts and Legendary Artifact Equipment, then Companion Packs and Crystallised Enchantment packs are most definitely your friends.

Ostorian Relic packs however...ugh. Because I love paying 125 Zen for the same amount of Voninblod I can get from 30 seconds of relic hunting....

mrroofer · February 2017

My main runs full fey enchantments I got 1000 r5s and I have all mythic and legendary weapons wouldn't mind as much if you got the 30 companion tokens more often

thefiresidecat · February 2017

yiazzy said:
What? Unless every character you have is fully kitted with Mythic Artifacts and Legendary Artifact Equipment, then Companion Packs and Crystallised Enchantment packs are most definitely your friends.

Ostorian Relic packs however...ugh. Because I love paying 125 Zen for the same amount of Voninblod I can get from 30 seconds of relic hunting....

yeah the boxes are HAMSTER. I'd LOVE it if I were getting the companion boxes and enchantment boxes as my main pull. but I'm getting professions and artifact packs mostly. pure worthless dross from the daily. Although I've pulled two legendaries and numerous epics in all the boxes I've obtained in game over the last year and a half. so.. some people are luckier than others I guess.

fearhodorwillie · February 2017

Lol fireside, in almost 2 years I have yet to pull anything orange, not even 1 brilliant diamond (they must be my unicorn) and only 2 purple items from lock boxes. I get profession packs out the yin-yang

yiazzy · February 2017

I've opened hundreds myself, only ever had 2 epic pulls, and one of those was from the Artifact Provisions pack in the Runic.

Hodor, I also haven't had a Brilliant diamond from the lockbox. But, I have had three from fishing...go figure.

I'm losing hope of seeing that legendary choice pack...

fearhodorwillie · February 2017

My apologies all. It sounds like I'm complaining and I don't mean to sound that way. I have resigned myself to never getting something *great* out of a lockbox (like any kind of legendary mount just for the 140 speed). That's why I open the Firemane and the runic boxes ... the lower level items don't seem as lousy as other boxes.

I AM complaining about the new drop rates in all dungeons/ skirmishes. Since the change where apparently anything can drop from anywhere, I have yet to get even 1 single item of any color or value other than what was available before. Yet I have several guildies/alliance members (I can think of 4 off the top of my head and I'm not online) who've received the orcus shard from kessels or dread ring skirmishes.

It doesn't seem random to me.

Oh well, end rant.

yiazzy · February 2017

It's definitely not random. The amount of times I've seen an Admin pop up for the exact same person twice in a row is unbelievable.

Clearly, rng in this is biased towards people who spend the most money, which is utter HAMSTER.

Saw someone today get their third or fourth Glorious Resurgence Epic Mount pack today. I got Regal Stronghold Pack. With a Major Labor voucher. WHY ARE THESE EVEN IN THE BOX?

thefiresidecat · February 2017

I've also gotten 2 brill diamonds from the boxes but none fishing. Didn't count that. Really I've had pretty good luck can't count the artis 2 or 3 epic mounts 1 leg mount and a legendary companion pack. And I've never bought keys. I did cycle thru a lot with planar idols tho. They paid for themselves

sezma · February 2017

I feel like lockboxes are fine, Rates are fine. The rates are literally like that for a reason. Look what happened when they increased the dungeon chest rates just ever so slightly. The market is failing, complete garbage. Imagine they increased the epic and legendary rates from the chest. It'll destroy the market. Not to mention that getting AD right now is so much easier then it used to be. You can easily make 100-300k AD a day just from running Shores of Tuern. I honestly don't see why people are complaining so much. I'm in college and in the past month I've made over 1-2M maybe even more just from running shores. Thats over 50 keys in just a month. However, I don't open boxes very often and when I do I open the with the intention of getting a random item and that's it. If you open them with the intention that your going to luck out 9 times out of 10, then of course you're going to feel a certain way when it does not happen. I popped my first legendary 2 weeks ago with a 40% off coupon, and mind you I've open like 150 boxes at once before and didn't even see a epic or legendary. It's just all random and if you don't like the random chance then spend your money buying something you know is guaranteed and get on with your life. Or, save up AD which is really easy right now and buy out the legendary you want. You'd probably have a better chance doing that than opening boxes. Also for those of you who like opening lockboxes. Try opening a good lockbox for once. Do your research, see what each pack sells for and then open that one. Theres literally like 3-4 lockboxes out there where every pack except the profession pack and artifact pack will net you back either all your money or double your money (firemanes companion packs, riders enchantment packs, demonic enchanment packs, and so on. Literally depending on which box you open you can theoretically open it forever as long as the amount of professions packs you get are equal to the companion/enchanment packs you get. Also , if you have enough zen to buy 2500, then your obviously playing yourself opening 2500 lockboxes. you can get your legendary from that 96M AD and still have 84M left, which is enough to buy all the refinement you need and 2-3 more legendarys. I literally don't see what you are complaning about. I feel like when it comes to lock boxes, people are addicted, like they need to experience the feeling like they are about to get lucky or something. Don't like the rates, don't open lockboxes, save your money for something that is guranteed, its as simple as that. Oh, and yes what you get from lockboxes are random, just like dungeon loot is random, parcels are random, and many other things in the game. It may not seem like it because you have not obtained anything good , but it is. The reason why you have not obtained anything good, is because it is random. I know 4k IL's who pulled legendarys in 1-10 keys and I know brand new 400 item levels who have done the same, get over it.

fearhodorwillie · February 2017

Sezma, I have a couple of issues with your statement. To be upfront I am NOT trying to start a flame war.

To paraphrase, you said 9 out of 10 lockboxes opened are garbage. Which translates to 1 out of 10 is worthwhile. So what do you say about 0 "good" lockboxes in 2 years of playing? That is where I am. If you believe I am complaining, so be it. It is not random when it NEVER happens. I do have guildies/alliance members/friends who have much better luck than me.

And you say to open the lockboxes that have packs that sell minus the profession pack and artifact pack. What is the rng on opening the "good" lockboxes when it is the artifact and profession packs? Also what I get from "good" lockboxes.

To be fair, you are right in saying the "bad luck players" (which includes me), should just earn the AD to buy what you want. That is where I am now.

thefiresidecat · February 2017

I do NOT think the market is trash right now. the ah is healthy. some things have gone down in price but the prices originally were TERRIBAD. the adx is softening. that's GOOD. things SHOULD be affordable. things should NOT be worth millions of ad.

omegarealities · February 2017

thefiresidecat said:
I do NOT think the market is trash right now. the ah is healthy. some things have gone down in price but the prices originally were TERRIBAD. the adx is softening. that's GOOD. things SHOULD be affordable. things should NOT be worth millions of ad.

So you are wanting price controls on the auction house? The price of an item is based on what the seller it willing to sell the item for and what the buyer is willing to pay for the item. Just because you are not willing to pay a certain amount for an item, does not mean that there is not someone who is willing to pay that amount.

thefiresidecat · February 2017

not sure why you'd jump to that. if I wanted price controls I'd have said there should be price controls. I believe i said the market is healthy. we are talking supply and demand here. more things are dropping. that has lowered prices. that's good. it's as it should be. the only reason things are millions is because they are highly sought after and low in quantity. if you make it so it drops for more then prices drop and more people have it.

if you mean do I think more things should drop out of the boxes, then why yes I do. more things should drop more often for more people.

the more people who are outfitted properly the more easy it is to do end game content. this game seems to suffer a shortage of end game ready people.

mordekai · February 2017

If they wanted to "price control" they would do it by increasing or decreasing the item's availability.
That is how they manage the economy, and why availability of certain items ebbs and flows.
If the drops that were happening a few weeks ago have slowed because PWE/Cryptic noticed a detrimental affect to the economy, a) they should have seen that coming, and b) the drops should have rotated with similar rates of attainment, but cycling through different items at a time rather than a free for all. Varying the rarity would be the obvious way to limit (over) saturation.

The ADX has slipped slightly over the past few weeks to about 300:1 but its still fine. Last time I looked the five posted prices had around 160'000 Zen which is also slightly down but also absolutely fine.

Without the data on the literally thousands of lockboxes that get opened every day, stating that its fixed or rigged is basically the same as saying, "the raffle was fixed... I saw one guy win three times and I won nothing" without knowing whether the other guy bought three tickets or three thousand.

One of the guys in my old alliance (said that he) drops about 100 dollars a week on keys, and opens about 150-200 a week, and he reckons he's lucky if he gets gold once every three or four months. We talked about it, and in his experience he reckons about 1:1500 for a gold drop isn't far of the mark. He also reckons weapon, artifact, companion, and artisan packs drop with a roughly equal rate.

He's had two legendary drops on the same day, and equally gone half a year without.

But even his conclusion, based on over 18'000 boxes, is subjective and based on only a tiny snapshot of the complete data.

I know that 2500 sounds like a lot, and to one person it obviously is, and I get it... it's galling when you spend so much on something, only to be disappointed.
But as a statistical sample on which to gauge the model... its really not high enough to work.

iamkrisbars · February 2017

You are doing lockboxes wrong... I took 300,000 ad and opened 120+ lock boxes last week, dropped another 10 and opened around 150 more....

Just sell the packs you get from them and keep popping.. thats how you win legendary mounts without spending a TON of money.... i have won 2.

missdayum · February 2017

I don't know...I see legendary mount packs popping like 10+ everday. Of course I'm not one of them but still though the drop rate seems to be alright so far!

omegarealities · February 2017

missdayum said:
I don't know...I see legendary mount packs popping like 10+ everday. Of course I'm not one of them but still though the drop rate seems to be alright so far!

I wonder sometimes how much of that is real. Or, is it like the casinos showing all the winners to get people to play more.

sezma · February 2017

I agree 100 % with this. This is what I was saying also, you can pay 300k ad and open like 50-100 lockboxes easily. Just sell what you get out of it and stop feening to open the packs lmao. It's so easy to capitalize in this game, but yet we have people here complaining. I don't understand...

iamkrisbars#6229 said:
You are doing lockboxes wrong... I took 300,000 ad and opened 120+ lock boxes last week, dropped another 10 and opened around 150 more....

Just sell the packs you get from them and keep popping.. thats how you win legendary mounts without spending a TON of money.... i have won 2.

missdayum · February 2017

omegarealities#7219 said:

missdayum said:
I don't know...I see legendary mount packs popping like 10+ everday. Of course I'm not one of them but still though the drop rate seems to be alright so far!
I wonder sometimes how much of that is real. Or, is it like the casinos showing all the winners to get people to play more.

Indeed I'm with you on that one and I think it's more the latter.

yiazzy · February 2017

Dropping 300k in the exchange gets you around about 10. TEN KEYS. Certainly NOT 50-100 as this player's claiming. Considering Ostorian Relic packs and Profession packs really aren't selling high atm, and drop more often than not, you're not making that 300k back on 10 boxes.

thefiresidecat · February 2017

yiazzy said:
Dropping 300k in the exchange gets you around about 10. TEN KEYS. Certainly NOT 50-100 as this player's claiming. Considering Ostorian Relic packs and Profession packs really aren't selling high atm, and drop more often than not, you're not making that 300k back on 10 boxes.

he means you can sell the contents from the boxes you opened and buy more keys totalling around 50 to 100 in all although personally I think that's a gross exaggeration. i'm finding the boxes don't really pay for themselves most of the time. you're going to lose a bit every time. I used to get a slightly higher rate of companion packs and enchantment packs. with the higher drop rates it's possible to keep it going but when you're g etting more relic and profession packs and even mount and artifact packs not quite so much.

shamrok · March 2017

It's always been this way since there would be no way to keep people from using ad to buy keys and make a profit without ever spending money

missdayum · March 2017

L O L talking about lockbox drop rate change, this EYEDOL dude just won 3 AXE BEAKS and 1 ARMORED AXE BEAK within 10 freaking minutes. Yes 10 minutes. I turned off the entire chat to see it better. 2 regular beaks, 1 legendary and again 1 regular, in that order....BS!

GT: Know1leftalive

Please fix the Lockbock drop rate

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