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Also to not leave Dev OP way behind DCs all powers could have additional buff/debuff effects for either enemies or allies, not just healing that is excessive. The healing from Bond+Vow combo alone is already all that's needed. Bane could also use a buff.
Okay so anyone who is anyone and plays a Heal Paladin like I do knows that its not very loved in the community, and seems like a least favorite of the developers who never put much thought into it. Perhaps to make it not a DC look-alike, which is what I would prefer to not be a DC look-alike. We all know that we heal.... and we heal a lot, in fact we heal to much for no good reason. The healing needs to be toned down a bit and replaced with more buffs/debuffs for us. Now do not get all crazy on me I do not want buffs and debuffs like a DC, because that would be impractical, and senseless. No I want buffs and debuffs that assist the party and solo.
Everything we do is heal this heal that, every time you let loose flatulence you heal for 20m health per second. We heal way to much and do not have enough party buffs for the team. This makes us unwanted in the community just by itself alone. Now I do know its possible to tank orcus as a heal paladin to debuff and buff single targets by like 50% etc etc. But its not much and most of our encounters are useless not to mention our Auras for us are broken in a bad way. So I personally want to go over some of the encounters class features dailies etc that need a revamp a nerf and a buff. Yes as you can already tell this will be a looooong thread. Now everything is debatable and can be changed by anyone or what not if people have a good suggestion. This is what I personally believe that these powers should do or should not do. Now please remember these are not 100% changes I want just think may be good to have and are all subject to change with the help of the awesome community.
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Encounters:
[Burning Light:] Burning light now heals allies as well
[Burning Light(updated):] This encounter sends out a pulse of radiant energy that burns the foes for 5 seconds. This radiant energy increases AP gain of you and your allies for 2.5seconds. (This encounter can only be used every 12 seconds, and each point increases the base damage of the encounter by 5 or 10%)
Essentially this removes the whole needing to charge the encounter, and removes the healing aspect of the encounter.
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[Sacred Weapon:]Your healing is improved by 15% for 8 seconds, and your next 5 heals; also heal bonus.
[Sacred Weapon(updated):] Your weapon receives the blessing of the gods increases damage dealt by 15% for you for 5 seconds. On initial activation of the encounter you release a wave of healing energy that heals you and allies. (So this encounter can only be used every 16 seconds, and with each point increase damage dealt by 2.5%)
This basically gives the weapon an actual use for solo and some dps options. With some added healing to keep some use in a party
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[Smite:] Heals allies near the affected target
[Smite(updated):] You smash a target igniting them with holy fire for 5 seconds this applies holy scorch to nearby enemies and decreasing affected targets damage by 3%. (This encounter can only be used every 12 seconds, and decreases targets damage by 3% for every point)
The encounter can be good for solo play and to help tanks with tanking or a party from getting one shot.
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[Templars Wrath:] Allies in the affected area gain temporary hit points in addition to damaging foes.
[Templars Wrath(updated):] Allies in the affected area gain temporary hitpoints by 20% in addition to damaging foes.(With each point the effect increases by 10% for a total of 50%) Yes I am aware it will act like a protectors but this is the best I can come up with for this one, suggestions and additions would be nice for this one.
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(This one hurts because its my favorite encounter but it needs a change/nerf)
[Bond of Virtue:] All allies within 60ft of the affected area around you become bonded which increases the heals they receive by 20% and all allies receive 15% of shared healing within the circle. It increases by 5% for each point spent for a total of 35% bonus incoming healing and 30% shared healing bonus.
[Bond of Virtue(updated):] All allies within 60ft of the affected area around you become bonded which increases the heals they receive by 10% and all allies receive 5% of shared healing within the circle. (Each point increases healing by 10% and shared healing by 5% and for each point.) For a total of 25% healing 20% shared healing.
(MAYBE if its not OverPowered but a small AP gain like very small AP gain but its still there and its constantly going.
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[Cleanse Touch:] Always affects allies in the affected area in a 15ft radius around you or the target.
[Cleanse Touch(updated):] You release a radiant blast of holy energy that heals all nearby allies in a 15ft radius around you or the target. You cleanse any negative affects on allies (Such as poison, fire etc)
Now I know that cleanse touch has a small affect on "cleansing a target but its not that clear and isn't very well known to many".
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[Divine Touch:]Allies near the target are healed as well.
[Divine Touch(updated):] Allies near the target are healed for a wave of health and receive a heal over time for 5 seconds for 5% of the users maximum hitpoints. (This is increased by 2 seconds for every point)
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[Vow of Enmity:]Allies who strike the target are also healed.
[Vow of Enmity(updated):] Allies who strike the target are also healed, and deal an additional 5% damage to target. (Allies deal an additional 5% for every point)
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[Absolution:] Allies under the affect of this shield receive 20% more healing(Only can apply to one target)
[Absolution:] Allies under the affect of this sheild receive 10% more healing, and applies to all allies in a 5ft radius
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Devotion Daily:
Healing Font: Now I want a huge buff to this daily because ITS a nice daily but its useless as all get go. The biggest problem I find that it heals allies right... but that counts companions as well. In this day and age everyone has a companion which means the chances of a player getting healed are very slim especially if its on someone who needs it. The heal itself is like 3k which is useless all in itself. It chains to allies but who the hell cares when you can just press tab once or use cure wounds once and the entire party is healed and buffed.
Healing Font(updated): Now what I would like to see from this daily is a revamp and what I would like it to do is.... You place a healing font that will heal all allies in the affected area for 20% of their maximum hitpoints this lasts for 10 seconds. In addition when Healing Font is active it radiates rays of hope which buffs allies movement speed and DR by 10% for 10 seconds.
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At-Wills:
Oath Strike: Your final strike of this attack makes you give a burst of healing out around you, and in addition increases outgoing healing by 15% for 10 seconds. (Combo with the MH buff you grant 5% deflection chance to targets)
Now I like Oath Strike a lot and it should be every heal paladins at will, but however the base damage is a bit low. My highest hits with it have been around 60k but that was with crazy buffs from others and DCs. Solo I hit around 15-30k... If this can get buffed to hit harder it would help solo and assist in some dps for OP Heals.
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Class Features:
[Aura of Divinity:] Up to 3 allies within a 30ft area of you are healed every 3 seconds.
[Aura of Divinity(updated):] All allies within a 30ft area of you receive a temporary shield every 8 or 10 seconds. This shield(temp hitpoints) is equal to 20% of your maximum hitpoints. This affect does not stack (I think if the math is correct its 30k temp shield every 8 or 10 seconds to allies, and of course does not stack.)
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Now as I had stated before this is all just suggestions and speculations on the affects of the parts for the heal paladin. If someone has a really nice suggestion instead of mine. For example a better usage of a class feature like divinity. Like it throws out fire at mobs and heals allies etc. I also apologize if its a little messy I am not very good when it comes to "organizing" a thread post
1) That a devotion paladin gets a passive which will allow overheals to count towards stackable "life shield" on party members. I am thinking this should be capped up to an X% of the targets max HP. I think 35% should be a start, unless it will prove to be too powerful.
2) That while this "life shield" is active on a player their damage output will be buffed in one form or another. Maybe through just a flat damage increase, or maybe have some cool interaction with the paladin's abilities damage output for every "lifeshield" in the party.
This is just a suggestion, but as far as I can see the main two hiccups with the devotion paladin are too much healing that doesn't do anything and a lack of damage.
Although personally I am a bit confused as to why a healer needs to deal more damage, I don't think the solo content is that particularly hard.
I am usually at or near the top on Paingiver, Executioner, Field Medic, and Immovable Object (the last three especially).
The only thing that really needs fixing is the Tab mechanic on Sanctuary...but that needs to be fixed for both DevOP and ProtOP.
What do I bring to the party as a (Dark) pally?
I have a trans Feytouched which is an 18% damage debuff
I have darkfire which is a 10% defense debuff that is constantly procced thanks to the combination of "heal" mechanics translating into damage auras
I have Aura of Courage which is a teamwide damage aura
I have Aura of Wisdom which is teamwide recharge/recovery buff
I happen to "heal" a lot, not only myself, but the entire team
Stop thinking of DevOPs as "Healadins" and start thinking of them as "Stealadins;" start thinking of the "heal" powers as damage and buff/debuff powers. It changes the way you start to think about Paladins as a whole--and it is a lot more fun.
The Drow debuff is actually -5% DR/capped debuff, not defense.
Any class can use Feytouched, and it's a -15% damage debuff as per tested damage debuffs.
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But anyways, the Healadin is balanced, if a little too balanced. They heal well, have some decent buffs and team protection stuff. The issue is, that, well, the DC can buff better, and in most endgame teams, most teams have a lot of lifesteal and understand how to not die, which makes buffing much more important (hence why the superior buffing option are much more popular).
Tbh I never understood why the Healadin Bane couldn't just be applied in a radius. Most of the Paladin stuff is "stay within (x) radius) for stuff", and I'm surprised that Bane is only "apply to one person" . Having to manually apply 3 stacks of Bane to each teammates is a huge pain.
If Healadin Bane was able to applied within a 30' radius or something, I'd say it would start to make the Healadin competitive (but not superior) to the DC for the buffer/healer spot.
-Bond becomes an aura rather than taking up an encounter slot
-At wills get a damage buff
-Smite actually heals allies in the area
-Burning Light doesn't need a charge
-Buff aura of solitude and make sure it doesn't get tripped up by a companion (there is some confusion on PS4 as to if that is happening or not)
-Decide if we are going to have threat or not - if not then take away the aura that generates threat from the healadin and give us a different aura that scales our outgoing damage vs healing numbers based off of the number of people in our group. 5 person group = increase in healing, decrease in damage output. 1 person left alive in group/at boss or soloing = decrease healing and increase in damage output.
-If you are going to give the healadin the ability to generate threat - then change that aura to actually make us generate increased threat with damage done to target, or based off of outgoing heals.
Ravenskya - TR / Krisha Chaos - OP / Waffles - GF / Dex Domitor - HR
Becky the trendy GWF - GWF / Too Toasty - SW / Falcor - DC / Morrigan - CW / Sir Didymus - OP
And also, technically, the tooltip is written correctly.
If my OP puts Aura of Courage in a chat channel, anyone in the chat channel will still see "your Maximum HP", regardless of class. This would mean a TR sees "your HP", a GWF sees "your HP", a GF "your HP", so on and so forth.
But, you know, tooltips of questionable quality are the order of the day...
I'm not exactly squishy; I am more susceptible to being one shot than a dedicated ProtOP, but I often top them in Immovable Object because I almost invariably draw way more aggro than them. With Bond of Virtue and a high life steal, you're basically a walking healing and damage aura with a 60' radius. I call it a Lawnmower of Doom.
If you ever switch to DevOP, you should give it a shot. It is a blast.
BTW, did AoC work as stated in the tooltip in the past? Even old Sharp's guide didn't say anything about that, every guide suggested it scales off of OP's HP. Was it changed at some point or it was bugged since the beginning and only later someone noticed it?
I would say it has everything to do with base encounters, dailies, and auras; I am using the same powers as everyone else in the game. I am just using them differently. The problem isn't with the powers. The powers are pretty awesome, if you ask me. I don't want them changed. Healing powers are boring to you because you can only see them as healing powers. The devs have given us tools to turn those "boring" healing powers into pretty awesome damage mechanics. While you may still be stuck viewing your powers as nothing more than "boring" healing powers, maybe other people are interested in looking at those same powers from a different perspective. Using powers in novel ways effectively changes the powers from the standpoint of the broader gamer base.
But on Dev even without Lifesteal BG and HW proc like crazy so I never needed it. But on Prot I'll have to work on increasing it to use it for Prism and BG/HW. I wonder if it's worth to take 1/3 last boon from ToD at the cost of Crit Sev. I'm still waiting for Legendary Lion to use equip power, I hope that heal procs BG and HW. If anyone has it and could confirm that would be great.
We should really stop trusting tooltips, but sometimes, we just don't feel like testing stuff, or testing stuff is flat out impossible (ex: I could test the +aggro stuff, but really, you either have aggro or not, so testing aggro is not worth my time).
And from what I recall, Aura of Courage damage scaled with buffs/different player HP even in older mods (ex: 8).
I understand the basis of the discussion is about changes needed to Dev OP powers - maybe you feel they're derailing it by being positive?
My personal position is that in a world where Pallys need to compete effectively with GFs and DCs we could do with more de/buff potential, e.g. Truth and Protection are imo too low - they should be more like 20% instead of 12.5% and Vengeance should be a % based damage reflect instead of dealing a fixed amount weapon damage.
Xael De Armadeon: DC
Xane De Armadeon: CW
Zen De Armadeon: OP
Zohar De Armadeon: TR
Chrion De Armadeon: SW
Gosti Big Belly: GWF
Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
Member of Casual Dailies - XBox
Sanctuary more responsive - I hate when the sanctuary doesn't rise and instead I get the GF guard animation with the added demerits to both leaving me vulnerable and locking my powers
Smite is too slow - I know I may surprise you but between the moment you activate it and the moment it hit you have almost 2 seconds where you're open to CC and it's frequent you get bumped or something, wasting the move. For the puny amount of damage it does you could expect a smooth delevery. So either speed the delivery up or increase the damage to improve the risk/benefit ratio
Weapons of light should be party wide - If it gets party wide giving each ally bonus damage and heal then its a good support encounter. For now it's pretty useless
Burning light charging mechanism - please no more. I would agree to an increased cool down if I wouldn't have to stand doing nothing but charging it
Divine Touch: rethought - today, if you use DT as a devOP, you're faced with this connundrum: if you want to use it to deal damage you can forget it since it has the damaging potential of a wet noodle but if you want to use it to (over)heal (yeah dealing 2K damage but healing 80k you got the balance right DT) you must hit a foe. which means either buff the damage significantly or get rid of the targeting condition to make the power usable
Circle of Power rethought too - giving 30% increased healing is useless. Either get it on par with prot op and give us DR or get innovative and give us recharge speed increase or something like 15-20% on all stats to make it a usable buff.
Smite is fairly slow, and does have that annoying moment where anything can slap you down... This probably should be changed but the part I do not agree on is its damage output. Ive had mine hit 1.2m in a single hit in a party with a sw,cw,and dc buffing. But by myself Ive gotten a max hit of 240k. I think they increased the damage on this encounter on us secretly, because I remember a few months back it was silly for damage.
Weapons of light... this I hate to break it to you but I think this is a feat in the DC righteous tree lol.
Burning Light yeah I think everyone can and does agree that it needs its charged removed buff the damage and do something besides just a heal to allies.
Circle of Power I do like the idea of it giving everyone increased recharge speed inside of it. That would be something new and different. The DR would be to much like the Tankadins, and where I would like to have it I think it may be a bit overpowered.