I do agree with tyrion on this. T.Shadowclad is in no way overpowered...If it's bugged, it must be fixed. But on my toons it works just the way it should. T.Negation for fighters is usually considered more solid, which is true. Experienced players vs T.Shadowclad will just wait for the "deflect" and then rotate you. As tyrion said, it's a tradeoff. I picked it because i liked the visual effect more than Negation's and it's still a good PvP enchant.
But if i could, i'd change the stealth effect for something else. For example shadow clones that will shield you from attacks and absorb 30% of the incoming damage for 3-4 seconds.
I do agree with tyrion on this. T.Shadowclad is in no way overpowered...If it's bugged, it must be fixed. But on my toons it works just the way it should. T.Negation for fighters is usually considered more solid, which is true. Experienced players vs T.Shadowclad will just wait for the "deflect" and then rotate you. As tyrion said, it's a tradeoff. I picked it because i liked the visual effect more than Negation's and it's still a good PvP enchant.
But if i could, i'd change the stealth effect for something else. For example shadow clones that will shield you from attacks and absorb 30% of the incoming damage for 3-4 seconds.
I'd be fine with that too. The main point still being the tradeoff for consistency vs. temporary highly defensive capabilities.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
with the same logic you can ban also the: anyone has the right to prone and cast damage bonuses + shields to allies with the swift golden.
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
with the same logic you can ban also the: anyone has the right to prone and cast damage bonuses + shields to allies with the swift golden.
Like Clonkyo said, you can ban this if you'd like. I have no issues with that. I also have no issues with my players using it. It has a one minute cool down and comes at significant cost to the individual. If you go back to the beginning however, I said get rid of all of it by coding it out of PVP and that is the main point here.
Thanks for your time.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
To attract more players matchmaking needs to be much better. Match player skill levels by kills/assist/caps etc. So a newbie playing in pug will have a slighty higher chance if coming back to pvp. It is not enjoyable getting one shotted for ten minutes. 2nd awards should be slightly better. One match the opposing team killed us coming off the campfire for ten minutes recieved nothing. 5 glory would be something. 3rd have more pvp maps. Or actually a queue works for all instants. I have queued for hours for G and SIEGE and never got in. Just my thoughts
To attract more players matchmaking needs to be much better. Match player skill levels by kills/assist/caps etc. So a newbie playing in pug will have a slighty higher chance if coming back to pvp. It is not enjoyable getting one shotted for ten minutes. 2nd awards should be slightly better. One match the opposing team killed us coming off the campfire for ten minutes recieved nothing. 5 glory would be something. 3rd have more pvp maps. Or actually a queue works for all instants. I have queued for hours for G and SIEGE and never got in.
Just my thoughts
That's because of the type of matching system they use. I explain a bit of it above in my OP. The basic gist is, unless there are thousands of players PVPing, the matchmaking system is horribad. There aren't enough players to fill Q's so you get terrible matchmaking with ELO.
The other problem is noone does GG or SH siege anymore. They were both made irrelevant with gear changes and noone really liked SH siege anyway since it allowed companions and was broken worse than any other form of PVP. GG doesn't offer anything special so if people PVP, it's only Domination.
Thanks for your reply.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
Because the management at I COME IN PEACE is too relaxed. Most of them are fine and respectful folks who won't have any problems whether rings and drains are banned or not. There are a few problem and let's say vocal players in that guild which prevents that.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
Because the management at I COME IN PEACE is too relaxed. Most of them are fine and respectful folks who won't have any problems whether rings and drains are banned or not. There are a few problem and let's say vocal players in that guild which prevents that.
NO we just want to be fair. Think about it if i have to use elven battle making enemy wizard to lose his chill stacks which i do it then how i can ban drains for my guildies. AS i said everything is in the game. DO not let me start to talk about annointed army use in pvp please please.
SO NO allow everything that game gives or ban everything thanks.
icyphishMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,255Arc User
edited January 2017
yes, u use Elven battle and get ready to be one rotated by GWF GF or other heavy hitters... there is a trade off... but drain is against everyone disabling their SHIFT mechanics. Why not you play a week of DOM and not use the shift button nor daily and see how far u can go...?
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
Because the management at I COME IN PEACE is too relaxed. Most of them are fine and respectful folks who won't have any problems whether rings and drains are banned or not. There are a few problem and let's say vocal players in that guild which prevents that.
NO we just want to be fair. Think about it if i have to use elven battle making enemy wizard to lose his chill stacks which i do it then how i can ban drains for my guildies. AS i said everything is in the game. DO not let me start to talk about annointed army use in pvp please please.
SO NO allow everything that game gives or ban everything thanks.
Ban everything or allow everything... you seem to deal in Absolutes (pun intended). I feel you miss very easily understandable points based on what is worth banning and what is not. However, you are free to ban or not ban anything you'd like. I'm sure you're aware how that is perceived, and if you're ok with that stuff and that perception then it's completely your perogative.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
In this sense, If there are players whom don't want to be part of the solution, then, they are part of the problem. If your "managers" are that lazy, then, maybe, you should talk to them about how due their passive behaviour, they are making this game stupid easy or, worse yet, they do like to feel like gods.
It is hard for a random player like me to initiate that. Perhaps a guild leader of another well-known PVP guild could?
And I don't mean they are "lazy". I mean they are timid and too nice. A lot of their members are but there are just a few vocal players who ruin it for everyone.
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
Because the management at I COME IN PEACE is too relaxed. Most of them are fine and respectful folks who won't have any problems whether rings and drains are banned or not. There are a few problem and let's say vocal players in that guild which prevents that.
NO we just want to be fair. Think about it if i have to use elven battle making enemy wizard to lose his chill stacks which i do it then how i can ban drains for my guildies. AS i said everything is in the game. DO not let me start to talk about annointed army use in pvp please please.
SO NO allow everything that game gives or ban everything thanks.
Ban everything or allow everything... you seem to deal in Absolutes (pun intended). I feel you miss very easily understandable points based on what is worth banning and what is not. However, you are free to ban or not ban anything you'd like. I'm sure you're aware how that is perceived, and if you're ok with that stuff and that perception then it's completely your perogative.
I Will describe you how bad is a swift golden lion allowed in pvp. 1: is legendary mount that means not everyone can have it. BUT seems full pvp guilds opened like crazy the lockboxes to get yes i have seen and premades x5 lions. 2: A swift golden lion user can get high advantage over it. A perfect example can be a great weapon fighter. ALL we know how hard is to do a daring shout and get the benefits. WEll now isnt hard anymore did you missed with the lion prone? doesnt matter your teamate will cast another lion and the target will get prone then the gwf will cast daring shout. THE EXAMPLE with the daring shout shows: PLAYERS can cast hard to use abilities easily because a legendary mount. 3: HAving basic knowledge almost of all classes i can counter. BUT starts the lion spamming 1: i can die because i get prone 2: my enemy will save his life with the blue shield 3: and if in 10 sec they still have shield they will get and 6% increased damage the affected allies. 4: use lion to get nodes? really? i dont count that as pvp.
IS 25 MIllion investment? WE shouldnt even care if we want to be FAIR and right and balance pvp and and.
AND if we want to discuss about investments and time spending then if someone defends lion for the 25m then i can defend drain too because those glyphs we spended ad and time to build those buildings.
Funny thing is 95% of the guild do not use drains but my enemy spam lion now tell me who knows how to play?:)
yes, u use Elven battle and get ready to be one rotated by GWF GF or other heavy hitters... there is a trade off... but drain is against everyone disabling their SHIFT mechanics. Why not you play a week of DOM and not use the shift button nor daily and see how far u can go...?
when i use elven battle a gf cannot even land a griffon stun. AND i can defend drain with ward i said previous. YOU see it from gwf point of view yes elven will kill you against a gf because you are meelee. Watch a wizard a hunter a gf cleric ,tr how they perform with that enchant
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
Because the management at I COME IN PEACE is too relaxed. Most of them are fine and respectful folks who won't have any problems whether rings and drains are banned or not. There are a few problem and let's say vocal players in that guild which prevents that.
NO we just want to be fair. Think about it if i have to use elven battle making enemy wizard to lose his chill stacks which i do it then how i can ban drains for my guildies. AS i said everything is in the game. DO not let me start to talk about annointed army use in pvp please please.
SO NO allow everything that game gives or ban everything thanks.
Ban everything or allow everything... you seem to deal in Absolutes (pun intended). I feel you miss very easily understandable points based on what is worth banning and what is not. However, you are free to ban or not ban anything you'd like. I'm sure you're aware how that is perceived, and if you're ok with that stuff and that perception then it's completely your perogative.
I Will describe you how bad is a swift golden lion allowed in pvp. 1: is legendary mount that means not everyone can have it. BUT seems full pvp guilds opened like crazy the lockboxes to get yes i have seen and premades x5 lions. 2: A swift golden lion user can get high advantage over it. A perfect example can be a great weapon fighter. ALL we know how hard is to do a daring shout and get the benefits. WEll now isnt hard anymore did you missed with the lion prone? doesnt matter your teamate will cast another lion and the target will get prone then the gwf will cast daring shout. THE EXAMPLE with the daring shout shows: PLAYERS can cast hard to use abilities easily because a legendary mount. 3: HAving basic knowledge almost of all classes i can counter. BUT starts the lion spamming 1: i can die because i get prone 2: my enemy will save his life with the blue shield 3: and if in 10 sec they still have shield they will get and 6% increased damage the affected allies. 4: use lion to get nodes? really? i dont count that as pvp.
IS 25 MIllion investment? WE shouldnt even care if we want to be FAIR and right and balance pvp and and.
AND if we want to discuss about investments and time spending then if someone defends lion for the 25m then i can defend drain too because those glyphs we spended ad and time to build those buildings.
Funny thing is 95% of the guild do not use drains but my enemy spam lion now tell me who knows how to play?:)
Firstly, thanks for explaining to me what the Lion does, I was unfamiliar with it's use and abilities. It's good to know now exactly why I decided to buy one.
Secondarily, if you want to defend the use of drains, you'll always be able to rationalize it. I won't attempt any more to change your mind. The funny thing is, that's not the main point of this thread. It's a minor point of a bigger picture. As I said, you are welcome to ban or not ban what you'd like. The only result being what others think of these actions.
I'll be honest here, as you probably already know, my guild does not offer GG to drain users. So buyers/users beware. Besides that if you want to allow or ban whatever you'd like it's completely your perogative.
I'll go back to my main point, which is, the devs need to fix PVP by following my suggestions. That's the ENTIRE point of this post.
On ambush rings: "How would you like PVE if all the mobs were invisible?"
I'll go back to my main point, which is, the devs need to fix PVP by following my suggestions. That's the ENTIRE point of this post
I think we can close this thread with that statement before it derails more and end up where it do not belong. No suggestion ever made could fix pvp better any way imho..
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
I'm pretty sure majority of I COME IN PEACE wouldn't care either way whether drains and ambush rings are banned. There are just a few stubborn ones preventing them from making such a rule and joining the rest of the PVP guilds who've made the change.
Why not just ban those stubborn players from the guild as a punishment?
Because the management at I COME IN PEACE is too relaxed. Most of them are fine and respectful folks who won't have any problems whether rings and drains are banned or not. There are a few problem and let's say vocal players in that guild which prevents that.
NO we just want to be fair. Think about it if i have to use elven battle making enemy wizard to lose his chill stacks which i do it then how i can ban drains for my guildies. AS i said everything is in the game. DO not let me start to talk about annointed army use in pvp please please.
SO NO allow everything that game gives or ban everything thanks.
Ban everything or allow everything... you seem to deal in Absolutes (pun intended). I feel you miss very easily understandable points based on what is worth banning and what is not. However, you are free to ban or not ban anything you'd like. I'm sure you're aware how that is perceived, and if you're ok with that stuff and that perception then it's completely your perogative.
I Will describe you how bad is a swift golden lion allowed in pvp. 1: is legendary mount that means not everyone can have it. BUT seems full pvp guilds opened like crazy the lockboxes to get yes i have seen and premades x5 lions. 2: A swift golden lion user can get high advantage over it. A perfect example can be a great weapon fighter. ALL we know how hard is to do a daring shout and get the benefits. WEll now isnt hard anymore did you missed with the lion prone? doesnt matter your teamate will cast another lion and the target will get prone then the gwf will cast daring shout. THE EXAMPLE with the daring shout shows: PLAYERS can cast hard to use abilities easily because a legendary mount. 3: HAving basic knowledge almost of all classes i can counter. BUT starts the lion spamming 1: i can die because i get prone 2: my enemy will save his life with the blue shield 3: and if in 10 sec they still have shield they will get and 6% increased damage the affected allies. 4: use lion to get nodes? really? i dont count that as pvp.
IS 25 MIllion investment? WE shouldnt even care if we want to be FAIR and right and balance pvp and and.
AND if we want to discuss about investments and time spending then if someone defends lion for the 25m then i can defend drain too because those glyphs we spended ad and time to build those buildings.
Funny thing is 95% of the guild do not use drains but my enemy spam lion now tell me who knows how to play?:)
Firstly, thanks for explaining to me what the Lion does, I was unfamiliar with it's use and abilities. It's good to know now exactly why I decided to buy one.
Secondarily, if you want to defend the use of drains, you'll always be able to rationalize it. I won't attempt any more to change your mind. The funny thing is, that's not the main point of this thread. It's a minor point of a bigger picture. As I said, you are welcome to ban or not ban what you'd like. The only result being what others think of these actions.
I'll be honest here, as you probably already know, my guild does not offer GG to drain users. So buyers/users beware. Besides that if you want to allow or ban whatever you'd like it's completely your perogative.
I'll go back to my main point, which is, the devs need to fix PVP by following my suggestions. That's the ENTIRE point of this post.
your guild do not offer gg to drain users ? and who cares about that?
your guild do not offer gg to drain users ? and who cares about that?
Don't pretend like you are representing your guild. Most people in I COME IN PEACE do not use those trash equipment. Most people in I COME IN PEACE are respectful to other guilds and their alliance. It really isn't a problem except for maybe 1 or 2 exceptions. But those are the vocal ones who cause trouble.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
your guild do not offer gg to drain users ? and who cares about that?
Don't pretend like you are representing your guild. Most people in I COME IN PEACE do not use those trash equipment. Most people in I COME IN PEACE are respectful to other guilds and their alliance. It really isn't a problem except for maybe 1 or 2 exceptions. But those are the vocal ones who cause trouble.
TO end this since is not also the real subject of the thread. I do not use drains because i dont need to use and the majority too. 2nd: If someone want to use drain here was the change he is allowed to do it since my enemy should have a ward in that case to his inventory like when someone meet an opressor and has and elven battle as counter enchant switching from negation to elven.
My opinion this is simple and dont need to become jerk ( drainer drainer drainer ) like is the end of the world or treat the players like they are exploiters. ME you and everyone we are not devs to ban items from the game and especially legit items. Thanks a lot.
2nd: If someone want to use drain here was the change he is allowed to do it since my enemy should have a ward in that case to his inventory like when someone meet an opressor and has and elven battle as counter enchant switching from negation to elven.
dumbest statement ever. Not all players are on big guilds with level 4 markets to get the wards. totally opposed to the fact that farming or even buying elven shards to build a Elven enchant is easier and cheaper than having wards.
it is easier to buy the shards ok i will do but you will give 19 coalescents . I KNow guilds with less poeple than you think because they wanted it they made their strongholds level 20 if you dont want you dont improve.
it is easier to buy the shards ok i will do but you will give 19 coalescents .
I honestly do not know what you're trying to do here.
Are you ridiculing him because that only hurts your argument when your credibility is at stake and you've been known to make outrageous statements and flame others in-game and on the forums. Are you saying those ward are equivalent to 19 coals because that only hurts your argument if that is your valuation of the price of a ward. Are you making a joke because that only hurts your argument when you've decided to take an unpopular position and you decided on trolling instead of answering all the legitimate arguments made all over the forums by almost everyone.
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I picked it because i liked the visual effect more than Negation's and it's still a good PvP enchant.
But if i could, i'd change the stealth effect for something else. For example shadow clones that will shield you from attacks and absorb 30% of the incoming damage for 3-4 seconds.
Thanks for your time.
Just my thoughts
The other problem is noone does GG or SH siege anymore. They were both made irrelevant with gear changes and noone really liked SH siege anyway since it allowed companions and was broken worse than any other form of PVP. GG doesn't offer anything special so if people PVP, it's only Domination.
Thanks for your reply.
SO NO allow everything that game gives or ban everything thanks.
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And I don't mean they are "lazy". I mean they are timid and too nice. A lot of their members are but there are just a few vocal players who ruin it for everyone. Don't say 'WE' when you mean 'I'.
1: is legendary mount that means not everyone can have it. BUT seems full pvp guilds opened like crazy the lockboxes to get yes i have seen and premades x5 lions.
2: A swift golden lion user can get high advantage over it. A perfect example can be a great weapon fighter. ALL we know how hard is to do a daring shout and get the benefits. WEll now isnt hard anymore did you missed with the lion prone? doesnt matter your teamate will cast another lion and the target will get prone then the gwf will cast daring shout.
THE EXAMPLE with the daring shout shows: PLAYERS can cast hard to use abilities easily because a legendary mount.
3: HAving basic knowledge almost of all classes i can counter. BUT starts the lion spamming 1: i can die because i get prone 2: my enemy will save his life with the blue shield 3: and if in 10 sec they still have shield they will get and 6% increased damage the affected allies.
4: use lion to get nodes? really? i dont count that as pvp.
IS 25 MIllion investment? WE shouldnt even care if we want to be FAIR and right and balance pvp and and.
AND if we want to discuss about investments and time spending then if someone defends lion for the 25m then i can defend drain too because those glyphs we spended ad and time to build those buildings.
Funny thing is 95% of the guild do not use drains but my enemy spam lion now tell me who knows how to play?:)
AND i can defend drain with ward i said previous.
YOU see it from gwf point of view yes elven will kill you against a gf because you are meelee.
Watch a wizard a hunter a gf cleric ,tr how they perform with that enchant
Secondarily, if you want to defend the use of drains, you'll always be able to rationalize it. I won't attempt any more to change your mind. The funny thing is, that's not the main point of this thread. It's a minor point of a bigger picture. As I said, you are welcome to ban or not ban what you'd like. The only result being what others think of these actions.
I'll be honest here, as you probably already know, my guild does not offer GG to drain users. So buyers/users beware. Besides that if you want to allow or ban whatever you'd like it's completely your perogative.
I'll go back to my main point, which is, the devs need to fix PVP by following my suggestions. That's the ENTIRE point of this post.
I think we can close this thread with that statement before it derails more and end up where it do not belong.
No suggestion ever made could fix pvp better any way imho..
2nd: If someone want to use drain here was the change he is allowed to do it since my enemy should have a ward in that case to his inventory like when someone meet an opressor and has and elven battle as counter enchant switching from negation to elven.
My opinion this is simple and dont need to become jerk ( drainer drainer drainer ) like is the end of the world or treat the players like they are exploiters. ME you and everyone we are not devs to ban items from the game and especially legit items. Thanks a lot.
I KNow guilds with less poeple than you think because they wanted it they made their strongholds level 20 if you dont want you dont improve.
Are you ridiculing him because that only hurts your argument when your credibility is at stake and you've been known to make outrageous statements and flame others in-game and on the forums.
Are you saying those ward are equivalent to 19 coals because that only hurts your argument if that is your valuation of the price of a ward.
Are you making a joke because that only hurts your argument when you've decided to take an unpopular position and you decided on trolling instead of answering all the legitimate arguments made all over the forums by almost everyone.