Why forcing players to become guild members

khangaax · January 2017

While this subforum is for positive feedbacks I would like to post a complain of why is cryptic and neverwinter forcing players to become guild members. If you are not a guild members you will loose huge stats ammount like life points, defense, power, etc...
Why I have to be forced to join teams in alliance where are players with 3k item levels that complains about your play game style while I have horrible lag issues and rubberbanding?
I don't understand why I have to join a guild to get those bonus or epic items like dragonfligth set.
And last, I don't really understand why you keep developing items that has expired dates. All my items I got time ago (t2 sets from valindra, malabog or artifacts weapons were obsoletes time ago after I started to play again...), so my question is, the money spend players in lockboxes, are useless because they items will be obsoletes?

I'm not going to talk about transcendent item that made me obsolete my perfects, well invested money. Thanks again, great job.

And talking about campaigns, if you have several characters, it's worst that focus on just only 1, why? I will write a example. Tyranny of dragons campaign last 2 boons requires 80 linus favours, which is equals to 8000 hoard coffers. If you suppose a great success in dragon runs in well of dragons, you will get 3 hoard coffers, which it will take you to kill 2600 dragons (probably more) with great success. Well, but don't be angry, you still have events where you get 1 hoard coffer killing just one enemy? well, no problem I still need to kill 8000 enemies x 5 characters = 40000 enemies to slay. But you can also have other alternatives, using dragon treasure empires, which you can buy for economic price of 50000 astral diamonds, which it will cost you like 28 millions of astral diamonds, x 5 characters = 140 millions of astral diamonds to complete last 2 boons of that campaign..well, I think I would buy it from zen shop instead that lol.

Well, all this kind of stuff I think is a holy HAMSTER.

Regards

plasticbat · January 2017

As a member of a guild, you won't get any huge stats from the Stronghold. Otherwise, you can create your own guild to build the stronghold. By the way, nobody is stopping you to do that.

As a member of a guild that has an established Stronghold, you have those stat. Who were building the stronghold? Guild members. They spend a lot of resource, time, money, etc. to build that. If you want to, you can try building everything by yourself.

You are not forced to join teams in alliance neither. Why do you think you have to? You may be suggested to but you don't have to.

If you want to go to a dungeon, you need a party. You can find your own party member to do whatever you want (if they go along with you).

Since you are talking about 'join', you are a fortunate player already because this appears you did not build which was a lot more painful.

btairborne · January 2017

Apparently you missed the Winter Fest where you could get a Linu every 10-20 min from fishing so lets say every 15 min. 4 per hour, done in 20 hrs. Which to some crazy people is just 2 days. Also, you can make Dragon Treasures and a lot of people have them being made constantly.

Cryptic likes people to be in Guilds because building social bonds with people tends to lengthen your gaming experience in said game. Alliances enhance it even more.

Your other question I don't understand.

plasticbat · January 2017

khangaax said:

And talking about campaigns, if you have several characters, it's worst that focus on just only 1, why? I will write a example. Tyranny of dragons campaign last 2 boons requires 80 linus favours, which is equals to 8000 hoard coffers. If you suppose a great success in dragon runs in well of dragons, you will get 3 hoard coffers, which it will take you to kill 2600 dragons (probably more) with great success. Well, but don't be angry, you still have events where you get 1 hoard coffer killing just one enemy? well, no problem I still need to kill 8000 enemies x 5 characters = 40000 enemies to slay. But you can also have other alternatives, using dragon treasure empires, which you can buy for economic price of 50000 astral diamonds, which it will cost you like 28 millions of astral diamonds, x 5 characters = 140 millions of astral diamonds to complete last 2 boons of that campaign..well, I think I would buy it from zen shop instead that lol.

Regards

For the last 2 WoD boons,

1. you don't have to have it. They are not that great.
2. the way you described to get Linu Favor is not the easiest way.
There are 2 easier ways:
a. Play Tiamat. Each success gives you 1 Linu. Do that during 2xcompaign you will get 2. You don't need a key.
b. Dragon Empire Treasure. You can make one everyday (if you have the resource). Each one worth 200.

No, these are not fast but a faster way than yours.
I have 5 main characters.

kreatyve · January 2017

The game is an MMO. So yes, they wish for people to be social. While you still can play single-player for the most part, in order to get the best gear, you do have to group with people. And if you don't want to - I'm not really sure why you would need the best gear, as all the single player content can be soloed with less than BiS, except maybe some of the Storm King's Thunder stuff if you are badly undergeared.

khangaax · January 2017

plasticbat said:
As a member of a guild, you won't get any huge stats from the Stronghold. Otherwise, you can create your own guild to build the stronghold. By the way, nobody is stopping you to do that.

As a member of a guild that has an established Stronghold, you have those stat. Who were building the stronghold? Guild members. They spend a lot of resource, time, money, etc. to build that. If you want to, you can try building everything by yourself.

You are not forced to join teams in alliance neither. Why do you think you have to? You may be suggested to but you don't have to.

If you want to go to a dungeon, you need a party. You can find your own party member to do whatever you want (if they go along with you).

Since you are talking about 'join', you are a fortunate player already because this appears you did not build which was a lot more painful.

You get stronghold boons so you have then 2 options:
1.- Join a guild => to be social..then, why that empowerment? If I have many stuff to do, why to do heroic encounters? why the strongbox keys? = more zen
2.- Build your own guild => another joke. I have not enough time to get daily ad and campaigns to create my own guild.
3.- Yeah, casual I joined a Alliance party and started to lag while a high item level character complained about how I was playing while I was having lag and rubberbanding.

khangaax · January 2017

btairborne said:
Apparently you missed the Winter Fest where you could get a Linu every 10-20 min from fishing so lets say every 15 min. 4 per hour, done in 20 hrs. Which to some crazy people is just 2 days. Also, you can make Dragon Treasures and a lot of people have them being made constantly.

Cryptic likes people to be in Guilds because building social bonds with people tends to lengthen your gaming experience in said game. Alliances enhance it even more.

Your other question I don't understand.

I was fishing and I can assure that was not my tiamat treasure fishing rates with bait and legendary rod and fishing in purple holes. Maybe with some players but not in my case that I was more than 1 hour and I only got 32 tiamat treasures when I was needing 80 to get a linus favour so that wasn't working for me.

khangaax · January 2017

For the last 2 WoD boons,

1. you don't have to have it. They are not that great.
2. the way you described to get Linu Favor is not the easiest way.
There are 2 easier ways:
a. Play Tiamat. Each success gives you 1 Linu. Do that during 2xcompaign you will get 2. You don't need a key.
b. Dragon Empire Treasure. You can make one everyday (if you have the resource). Each one worth 200.

No, these are not fast but a faster way than yours.
I have 5 main characters.

In the chests close to elminster says that you need to contribute to get 1 linus favour. Anyway, I still need 80 tiamat success x 5 characters = 400 tiamats success runs, LOL?

plasticbat · January 2017

khangaax said:

btairborne said:
Apparently you missed the Winter Fest where you could get a Linu every 10-20 min from fishing so lets say every 15 min. 4 per hour, done in 20 hrs. Which to some crazy people is just 2 days. Also, you can make Dragon Treasures and a lot of people have them being made constantly.

Cryptic likes people to be in Guilds because building social bonds with people tends to lengthen your gaming experience in said game. Alliances enhance it even more.

Your other question I don't understand.
I was fishing and I can assure that was not my tiamat treasure fishing rates with bait and legendary rod and fishing in purple holes. Maybe with some players but not in my case that I was more than 1 hour and I only got 32 tiamat treasures when I was needing 80 to get a linus favour so that wasn't working for me.

If I remember correctly, it needs 10 tiamat treasure to get 1 Linu Favor. You would have 3 linu favors.

EDIT: my memory is not that bad.

http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Treasure_of_Tiamat

plasticbat · January 2017

khangaax said:

plasticbat said:
As a member of a guild, you won't get any huge stats from the Stronghold. Otherwise, you can create your own guild to build the stronghold. By the way, nobody is stopping you to do that.

As a member of a guild that has an established Stronghold, you have those stat. Who were building the stronghold? Guild members. They spend a lot of resource, time, money, etc. to build that. If you want to, you can try building everything by yourself.

You are not forced to join teams in alliance neither. Why do you think you have to? You may be suggested to but you don't have to.

If you want to go to a dungeon, you need a party. You can find your own party member to do whatever you want (if they go along with you).

Since you are talking about 'join', you are a fortunate player already because this appears you did not build which was a lot more painful.
You get stronghold boons so you have then 2 options:
1.- Join a guild => to be social..then, why that empowerment? If I have many stuff to do, why to do heroic encounters? why the strongbox keys? = more zen
2.- Build your own guild => another joke. I have not enough time to get daily ad and campaigns to create my own guild.
3.- Yeah, casual I joined a Alliance party and started to lag while a high item level character complained about how I was playing while I was having lag and rubberbanding.

1. The empowerment came from people who spend millions AD worth of stuff each+ hours and hours of effort each to build. Why do you want to buy strongbox key at all? I never do. Yes, your guild would have told you that it is kind of dumb to buy strongbox key.
2. Of course, this is a joke. You have an easy way to get the empowerment without spending the effort comparing with those who did that.
3. rubberbanding has nothing to with an alliance party. Any party has the same issue. Again, you don't have to join those party if you don't want to.

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khangaax · January 2017

joe123thewayward said:

khangaax said:
While this subforum is for positive feedbacks I would like to post a complain of why is cryptic and neverwinter forcing players to become guild members. If you are not a guild members you will loose huge stats ammount like life points, defense, power, etc...
Why I have to be forced to join teams in alliance where are players with 3k item levels that complains about your play game style while I have horrible lag issues and rubberbanding?
I don't understand why I have to join a guild to get those bonus or epic items like dragonfligth set.
And last, I don't really understand why you keep developing items that has expired dates. All my items I got time ago (t2 sets from valindra, malabog or artifacts weapons were obsoletes time ago after I started to play again...), so my question is, the money spend players in lockboxes, are useless because they items will be obsoletes?

I'm not going to talk about transcendent item that made me obsolete my perfects, well invested money. Thanks again, great job.

And talking about campaigns, if you have several characters, it's worst that focus on just only 1, why? I will write a example. Tyranny of dragons campaign last 2 boons requires 80 linus favours, which is equals to 8000 hoard coffers. If you suppose a great success in dragon runs in well of dragons, you will get 3 hoard coffers, which it will take you to kill 2600 dragons (probably more) with great success. Well, but don't be angry, you still have events where you get 1 hoard coffer killing just one enemy? well, no problem I still need to kill 8000 enemies x 5 characters = 40000 enemies to slay. But you can also have other alternatives, using dragon treasure empires, which you can buy for economic price of 50000 astral diamonds, which it will cost you like 28 millions of astral diamonds, x 5 characters = 140 millions of astral diamonds to complete last 2 boons of that campaign..well, I think I would buy it from zen shop instead that lol.

Well, all this kind of stuff I think is a holy HAMSTER.

Regards
Talk about someone in desperate need of a decent guild. Wow!!! Just like in real life you have the right to be anti-social, infact the game even has some tools you can use to hide from interacting with other players, but also just like in real life a shutin deprives himself of the wisdom, knowledge, and experience of others, often to the detriment of the shutin.

If you are not in a decent guild you lose out on access to the guild's membership's collective experience and understanding of the game. If you were in a decent guild you would know that farming linus via hoard coffers is stupid, because more experiensed guildies would tell you that if you ever mentioned trying to farm hoard coffers for Linu. In a decent guild you would have people that would tell you basic things like at most you need to kill 80 dragons...less during certain 2x events to net 80 linus. Successful Tiamat runs net Linu, and Tia is cake these days unless you do somthing pointless like pug it (friends do not let friends pug). You probably would of received a guildwide email of MotD about how easy it was to farm Linu and other campaign currency via fishing during the Winterfestival if you were in a decent guild. Moreover, you would most likily have learned via a decent guild that if you really wanted hoard coffers they are cake to get during the Siege of Neverwinter, which just started for the 5th time. I farmed 100s of Hoard Coffers during the June Siege of Neverwinter event while farming vouchers for my guild and RP for myself. I farmed so many of them that I still have stacks of the left and I have been using 15 of them a week on 4 or 5 alts to complete the weekly Well of Dragons AD quest since last June.

P.S. Dragon Flight gear is obsolete. It has been for a while.

Again, a linus favour requires 1500 points. If each coffer worths 15 points that means I will need 100 coffers to get 1 linus favour. As I need 80 = 8000 coffers...wow, you got 100 coffers since event started...up to 8000...and I still need another 32000 coffers..well, I have no patience for that.

And I'm not sure if a success tiamat dungeon will grant you linus because it depends on what you contributed to face that dungeon.

Regards

PS: Well, dragon fligth is obsolete but is better that the 60 epic level items I had that was removed their bonus sets (avatar set of weapon fighter for instance or ancient castle never weapons or murholnad weapons bougth opening lockboxes...)...here you find all obsolete in a update.

plasticbat · January 2017

khangaax said:

joe123thewayward said:

khangaax said:
While this subforum is for positive feedbacks I would like to post a complain of why is cryptic and neverwinter forcing players to become guild members. If you are not a guild members you will loose huge stats ammount like life points, defense, power, etc...
Why I have to be forced to join teams in alliance where are players with 3k item levels that complains about your play game style while I have horrible lag issues and rubberbanding?
I don't understand why I have to join a guild to get those bonus or epic items like dragonfligth set.
And last, I don't really understand why you keep developing items that has expired dates. All my items I got time ago (t2 sets from valindra, malabog or artifacts weapons were obsoletes time ago after I started to play again...), so my question is, the money spend players in lockboxes, are useless because they items will be obsoletes?

I'm not going to talk about transcendent item that made me obsolete my perfects, well invested money. Thanks again, great job.

And talking about campaigns, if you have several characters, it's worst that focus on just only 1, why? I will write a example. Tyranny of dragons campaign last 2 boons requires 80 linus favours, which is equals to 8000 hoard coffers. If you suppose a great success in dragon runs in well of dragons, you will get 3 hoard coffers, which it will take you to kill 2600 dragons (probably more) with great success. Well, but don't be angry, you still have events where you get 1 hoard coffer killing just one enemy? well, no problem I still need to kill 8000 enemies x 5 characters = 40000 enemies to slay. But you can also have other alternatives, using dragon treasure empires, which you can buy for economic price of 50000 astral diamonds, which it will cost you like 28 millions of astral diamonds, x 5 characters = 140 millions of astral diamonds to complete last 2 boons of that campaign..well, I think I would buy it from zen shop instead that lol.

Well, all this kind of stuff I think is a holy HAMSTER.

Regards
Talk about someone in desperate need of a decent guild. Wow!!! Just like in real life you have the right to be anti-social, infact the game even has some tools you can use to hide from interacting with other players, but also just like in real life a shutin deprives himself of the wisdom, knowledge, and experience of others, often to the detriment of the shutin.

If you are not in a decent guild you lose out on access to the guild's membership's collective experience and understanding of the game. If you were in a decent guild you would know that farming linus via hoard coffers is stupid, because more experiensed guildies would tell you that if you ever mentioned trying to farm hoard coffers for Linu. In a decent guild you would have people that would tell you basic things like at most you need to kill 80 dragons...less during certain 2x events to net 80 linus. Successful Tiamat runs net Linu, and Tia is cake these days unless you do somthing pointless like pug it (friends do not let friends pug). You probably would of received a guildwide email of MotD about how easy it was to farm Linu and other campaign currency via fishing during the Winterfestival if you were in a decent guild. Moreover, you would most likily have learned via a decent guild that if you really wanted hoard coffers they are cake to get during the Siege of Neverwinter, which just started for the 5th time. I farmed 100s of Hoard Coffers during the June Siege of Neverwinter event while farming vouchers for my guild and RP for myself. I farmed so many of them that I still have stacks of the left and I have been using 15 of them a week on 4 or 5 alts to complete the weekly Well of Dragons AD quest since last June.

P.S. Dragon Flight gear is obsolete. It has been for a while.

Again, a linus favour requires 1500 points. If each coffer worths 15 points that means I will need 100 coffers to get 1 linus favour. As I need 80 = 8000 coffers...wow, you got 100 coffers since event started...up to 8000...and I still need another 32000 coffers..well, I have no patience for that.

And I'm not sure if a success tiamat dungeon will grant you linus because it depends on what you contributed to face that dungeon.

Regards

PS: Well, dragon fligth is obsolete but is better that the 60 epic level items I had that was removed their bonus sets (avatar set of weapon fighter for instance or ancient castle never weapons or murholnad weapons bougth opening lockboxes...)...here you find all obsolete in a update.

The word he used was 100s with a 's' in the end.

If you go to Tiamat and stand there and your party members gives you a success (assuming they don't kick you), you will get a Linu Favor.

Okay, I never actually stand there so I don't know if just that will work but you know what I mean.

khangaax · January 2017

1. The empowerment came from people who spend millions AD worth of stuff each+ hours and hours of effort each to build. Why do you want to buy strongbox key at all? I never do. Yes, your guild would have told you that it is kind of dumb to buy strongbox key.
2. Of course, this is a joke. You have an easy way to get the empowerment without spending the effort comparing with those who did that.
3. rubberbanding has nothing to with an alliance party. Any party has the same issue. Again, you don't have to join those party if you don't want to.

1.- I don't want that other players get advantage over my equipment just because they are on a guild...I mean, they are free to join guilds, but what kind of policy is that one that just because of become guild member you get bonus because of some player spend resources? So if I'm not in a guild, then I don't get those resources unless I create my own guild and spent more money
2.- That is destroying epic dungeons because if I don't have that bonus my item level is worst, so I'm in disadvantage with those overpowered/guild member players.
3.-Always I joined with that alliance players I get rubberbanding so that's a casuality lol.

pterias · January 2017

I expected this thread to be about strong-arming people into guilds, but it's about several different things!

For Linus, yeah, the grind for those is openly sadistic. I have all the boons on my main, I refuse to even entertain the idea of doing them on my alts until they make it more sane. If not, oh well, I have the LS boon on all my alts, that's plenty.

For guilds and strongholds, I'm with you 100%. When I started playing this game shortly after launch, guilds were almost completely unneeded. The 3 main reasons I started were 1.) D&D, 2.) really good game quality, 3.) no guilds needed. It's still about D&D, the quality going forward has been debatable, but they completely reversed the guild situation. Instead of guilds being entirely optional, they've made them all but mandatory.

Everyone screams about Mod 6, but I didn't mind it too much. It was nice being challenged again. What really bugged me was Mod 7. When they announced Strongholds and the crazy boons they'd be able to get, I was so discouraged, I barely played for over a month. Including utility boons, there are around 35 mono r12 enchants worth of boons for fully built strongholds. I felt like unless I joined a guild, I was gonna be booned out of all group content and pvp-enchants-ed out of pvp before long. I lost my motivation to pvp after that and it still hasn't returned, and Strongholds has more to do with it than anything. Then they announced Masterwork Professions as Guild-only, so I lost almost all motivation to continue doing professions. The Underdark mod being fun is probably the only thing that got me through it.

I eventually made peace with the fact that Cryptic had put a floating expiration date on my time here. When being in a medium-to-large guild became a requirement to participate in large chunks of the game anymore, it would be time for me to move on. Fortunately, the deadline has been further out than I expected, and I keep on keeping on.

I've even day-dreamed that there would eventually be some solo way to make up some of the boon gap, like through personal housing (2nd to last comment on page). I think if someone wants to invest 1/50th to 1/20th the total time and resources a Stronghold would take into their own little neck of the woods, getting half the boon benefits seems fair. Will it ever happen? Of course not.

I refuse to be strong-armed into a guild. I'll never put myself into a position where others can control how/when I play, force me to interact when I don't feel like it, and/or have the power over me to rob me of my massive investment of time and resources for any (or no) reason. I have my reasons, and they don't require anyone else to understand them. That's kinda the point.

Sadly, my recommendation to anyone else would be to just suck it up and join a guild, learn to like pugging, or just leave. For myself, I'm like the Coyote that's run off the cliff and I just refuse to look down.

Meep meep.

khangaax · January 2017

Talk about someone in desperate need of a decent guild. Wow!!! Just like in real life you have the right to be anti-social, infact the game even has some tools you can use to hide from interacting with other players, but also just like in real life a shutin deprives himself of the wisdom, knowledge, and experience of others, often to the detriment of the shutin.

If you are not in a decent guild you lose out on access to the guild's membership's collective experience and understanding of the game. If you were in a decent guild you would know that farming linus via hoard coffers is stupid, because more experiensed guildies would tell you that if you ever mentioned trying to farm hoard coffers for Linu. In a decent guild you would have people that would tell you basic things like at most you need to kill 80 dragons...less during certain 2x events to net 80 linus. Successful Tiamat runs net Linu, and Tia is cake these days unless you do somthing pointless like pug it (friends do not let friends pug). You probably would of received a guildwide email of MotD about how easy it was to farm Linu and other campaign currency via fishing during the Winterfestival if you were in a decent guild. Moreover, you would most likily have learned via a decent guild that if you really wanted hoard coffers they are cake to get during the Siege of Neverwinter, which just started for the 5th time. I farmed 100s of Hoard Coffers during the June Siege of Neverwinter event while farming vouchers for my guild and RP for myself. I farmed so many of them that I still have stacks of the left and I have been using 15 of them a week on 4 or 5 alts to complete the weekly Well of Dragons AD quest since last June.

P.S. Dragon Flight gear is obsolete. It has been for a while.

Why doesn't want to join a guild means to be antisocial? where do you deduct that? Why I have to spent more hours running stronghold heroics? If I have no time then is that I'm antisocial on your own words. If you join guilds you get item level and power bonus so you are FORCING players to join or they will get worst rewards in dungeons in case they are lucky to be choosen to run and don't have complains from 3k item levels characters like recently it happened to me..maybe they are melee hr but it's not my case so I don't understand why a gwf with 3k item level wants me to be on melee...he must have a bad concept or different builds of hr. Anyway, I don't like the strongholds stuff, that forces me to play more hours doing more game content I don't need just only to have more item level, power, defense,...whatever...

khangaax · January 2017

Even if I had a dragon hoard coffer drop per monster, I would still need 8000 monsters per character. Even if I get a linus favour in every tiamat run, I would need 80x5=400 tiamats success...this is a absolute madness and this is true antisocial.

greywynd · January 2017

khangaax said:

In the chests close to elminster says that you need to contribute to get 1 linus favour. Anyway, I still need 80 tiamat success x 5 characters = 400 tiamats success runs, LOL?

My main has all the Tyranny boons. He has been in 1 successful Tiamat run.

khangaax · January 2017

And I still think why someone is antisocial if he doesn't want to join a guild? Why a player have to get bonus just for the fact to join a guild? Why I had all my t2 60 level items nerfed, while other players got augmented companion for gateway portal closure while I got nerfed all my characters after hours of game and spent money and I have to do lot of game hours content per character to try to recover the power I had time ago, that I was not on top but it wasn't bad?
I see things in this game I don't really understand and antisocial are players whose names are offensive between other things I see like make me a X in throne of dwarven gods with hulks smash red path, the alliance player 3k complaining about how I play my hr...I can complain a hr doesn't use thorn of ward but I would never complain a hr hits on melee...that kind of things are true antisocial...
Antisocial is nerf all the items you had on your characters with any compensation at all and I could keep saying what is antisocial for me..well, this is a game, I still don't understand why for the fact of join a guild a player gets +8000 on power between other bonus...what if I don't want to read some alliance players on chat and I don't want to be changing chat configuration and I want simply don't join a guild? why I have to run daily heroic events with all the daily things I have to do? Noone of you are going to convince me change my thinking so save your comments because the decision of guilds giving bonus is totally arbitrary like the fact of destroying all my 60 t2 sets and ancient weapons and mulhorands I have...
I had lot of stuff from the beggining lockboxes I bought when I started to play this game..well, why I was going to use empower runestones when they developed the bondings? well I got bonding runestones but, oh, wait, now they developed rank 12 bonding runestones..so all my perfect bondings a whole HAMSTER because they don't stop to "evolve" the game...so what it works for one day, it's obsolete for tomorrow...well, you always can join a guild that will grant you higher bonus than 3 perfect bondings and I'm not going to talk about the refinement points, gmop I spent to upgrade those bondings, but wait, it's me, I'm ANTISOCIAL, lol,

plasticbat · January 2017

khangaax said:
And I still think why someone is antisocial if he doesn't want to join a guild? Why a player have to get bonus just for the fact to join a guild? Why I had all my t2 60 level items nerfed, while other players got augmented companion for gateway portal closure while I got nerfed all my characters after hours of game and spent money and I have to do lot of game hours content per character to try to recover the power I had time ago, that I was not on top but it wasn't bad?
I see things in this game I don't really understand and antisocial are players whose names are offensive between other things I see like make me a X in throne of dwarven gods with hulks smash red path, the alliance player 3k complaining about how I play my hr...I can complain a hr doesn't use thorn of ward but I would never complain a hr hits on melee...that kind of things are true antisocial...
Antisocial is nerf all the items you had on your characters with any compensation at all and I could keep saying what is antisocial for me..well, this is a game, I still don't understand why for the fact of join a guild a player gets +8000 on power between other bonus...what if I don't want to read some alliance players on chat and I don't want to be changing chat configuration and I want simply don't join a guild? why I have to run daily heroic events with all the daily things I have to do? Noone of you are going to convince me change my thinking so save your comments because the decision of guilds giving bonus is totally arbitrary like the fact of destroying all my 60 t2 sets and ancient weapons and mulhorands I have...

I don't even know which level 60 T2 set for HR was actually useful in mod 6. i.e. before any nerfing.
There are only a few sets that had value after mod 6. I only remember there were one for SW and one for DC. Not sure about any other set.
So, nerfing the set bonus for your HR set or not made no difference because it could not cope with the new monsters, period.
The nerfing of the level 60 T2 set bonus was just before Christmas.

That GWF probably knew much more about current HR than you are.
Many of us played multiple classes and good for them. Many people are good for all 8 classes.

dupeks · January 2017

I'm not certain I understand all of your points here. Let me take a stab at unpacking it:
1) You are frustrated that there exist guild marketplaces that have to be unlocked through guild activity/participation. You would like to have all items available to those without a guild.
2) You are frustrated that items become obsolete (?), and that new items are introduced over time that are stronger than old items.
3) You are frustrated with the length of the 2nd longest campaign grind, and are not interested in supplementing progress through various other events / strategies (2x events, tia).
4) You are frustrated that when you are a group with members of a guild they may not be understanding about your latency.

There's a lot here, and I think a lot of it touches on frustrations that folks have been voicing for some time. However, I also think that there are some misconceptions that are contributing to your frustration.

For access to items, I'm a little puzzled by your frustration. Sure, DF gear is a hair better than sets that are available outside of a guild setting, but it's not a lot better. Absolutely all of the end-game content can be completed without it. In addition, some of the alternatives (dusk, drowcraft) are very accessible in comparison. I get that you want to have everything easily, but in order to allow others to feel like they accomplished something it makes sense to have something a little harder to aim towards.

Regarding item obsolescence, I'm not sure I understand your complaint. Your armor still works. The introduction of new items doesn't take your items away. The existing zones don't become harder. Again, I think this is a situation where there needs to be a compromise, so that people who want to chase the newest stuff can do so and those who don't, don't. The newest stuff isn't required to play most of the end-game content (EF rez aside), and only serves to give you a very small boost.

Regarding finishing off the ToD campaign, the same story emerges. Those last few boons are not necessary for anything, and they only very slightly impact your overall effectiveness. Take them away, though, and people who play more intensely won't have anything to aim for. That said, the grind is a bit tough which is why events have been introduced to give players a boost once in a while (2x events, siege, fishing for linus)

For the first 3 grievances you have, then, it seems like mostly it's a frustration with not being able to get THE VERY BEST stuff compared to stuff that would do just fine. I understand your complaint, but making THE VERY BEST stuff trivial to achieve would make the game very boring for a lot of players.

The last grievance I've listed is about party members being rude / lacking understanding. To me, this sounds like an issue with whoever you ran with. In my guild, you'd get warned or kicked for being rude to party members. If someone disconnects, we wait before the boss fight. If you drop out during the fight, we wait for you to come back to claim the treasure chest. There are plenty of other guilds that have similar friendly policies and I think you could find a happy home if you looked around.

You don't have to be in a guild in this game. You also don't need all the best stuff to play most of the content. If your frustration is that getting the best stuff is hard, and it's made easier by being in a guild (for a variety of reasons, most of which are related to having a supporting and knowledgeable community to lean on) then I'm sorry, but I think removing those structures would make this game a whole lot worse for everyone except for you.

micky1p00 · January 2017

I don't get what the real issue is.

You had a problem with people complaining how you play. What it has to do with a 'forced to be in a guild'? In a pug you would have been kicked so fast the server would have lost you in transit. It's not a guild mechanic issue, it's people who you ran with issue, or communication issue.

If the alliance is rude, find another. if you have communication problems with your guild members / officers, you probably should ask why. By the tone of your post, I wouldn't blame your guild nor alliance.

On second thought, I do know what the issue is.

You played badly, happens to all of us, things change, gear change, or we are just getting old and less fast (I'm projecting).
You chose to blame cryptic that didn't keep your 3 years old gear as the best thing since sliced bread. - Sorry but you know.. progress. You choose to leave the game, we are still playing.

You choose to blame lag and rubber banding, could be, happens to all of us, guilds are not the issue, and most people know what lag is. But buy the description of your gear, I guess the alliance people complained more than about your lag.

You complain you have to do HEs in the guild? There are plenty of guilds that don't require that. But don't be surprised if they don't have as high boons.

You chose to blame everyone for the failure, the gear, cryptic, gear, your guild, your alliance.
If you don't understand why 3 years old gear is not the top of the line now or your rank 10s, perhaps you need to pick a different game. You are here by free will, exercise it. Make a choice.

Bottom line, no one forces you, don't want to, press "g"-> roster -> there is a leave button at the bottom.

All I hear is tears, blame other, tears, blame others, tears, blame others. Sorry, but I wouldn't want this attitude in a guild, and I've never met you. And this is really not a compliment.

pterias · January 2017

Khangaax, it also sounds like some of the complaints you have are with the raising of the level cap from 60 to 70 and the resulting gear leap. That is a completely different issue from guilds, and like Dupeks said, there are a lot of good gear options that do not require guilds at all.

dupeks · January 2017

pterias said:
Khangaax, it also sounds like some of the complaints you have are with the raising of the level cap from 60 to 70 and the resulting gear leap. That is a completely different issue from guilds, and like Dupeks said, there are a lot of good gear options that do not require guilds at all.

That's a poignant observation, the level cap increase totally did make old gear obsolete (at least when they finally removed some of the bonuses last year). I can see being frustrated because of that, but that's the name of the game in MMOs... all of them have level increases it's a way of allowing further progression.

beckylunatic · January 2017

micky1p00 said:
You complain you have to do HEs in the guild? There are plenty of guilds that don't require that. But don't be surprised if they don't have as high boons.

Yup! I require nothing and request only what people feel like doing. It's the next best thing to not being in a guild at all!

(In all seriousness, I only recruit people who I make sure understand these limitations and the kind of trade-off they are making.)

instynctive · January 2017

First... no one is "forcing" you to do anything, be it joining a guild, or even playing the game.

@micky1p00 pretty much nailed everything otherwise, especially:

micky1p00 said:
You complain you have to do HEs in the guild? There are plenty of guilds that don't require that. But don't be surprised if they don't have as high boons.

My guild has stagnated, which means fairly crappy boons (especially compared to some of the other guilds in our alliance). I HAMSTER about it and try to motivate people to contribute, but outside of that, I'm not kicking people for not contributing.

BTW, if you're finding yourself with lag and rubberbanding, try restarting your computer, and running a "Force Verify" when loading into the game. Sometimes knocking back the graphics settings will help with that as well... as an example, my laptop can handle the game at HIGH/HIGH, but I run on MEDIUM/MEDIUM and I run into very few lag issues. Tiamat still always lags for me, as an example.

Oh, Tiamat.. right.. I'm not bothering with the last two ToD boons. Yeah, I'm slowly collecting Linu Favors on my two mains, but at this rate, I should be able to finish those last two boons sometime before 2019. I'm not especially worried about it.

Relax, breathe, and accept that the internet is full of HAMSTER.

khangaax · January 2017

I'm going to try to answer all in different game aspects:
1.- If I don't join a high boons guild, I'm in a item level/power disadvantage, and yeah, I found guild where someone ask to give 2 smop per WEEK but not only that, you have to run daily heroics which is very frustrating because when I'm still running dailies with my characters, someone in X guild tell you about running heroics...well, there are different ways to force someone to do things with no using words like often kicking players from guild as I have seen (it's like if you don't come to this events, you will end out ==> you will loose rank 12 enchantment guild bonus)
2.- It's not just only rubberbanding, I would swear someone was managing my character moving it, like server hacked or some gm enjoyment.
3.- Well, if all of you are a old players, you will remember avatar set, completely destroyed by new sets..even more, as in elemental evil they develop enemies who hits hard and had more life points, I found myself that using green sets were better than the 60 avatar set, very hilarious. So I find that my bondings or rank X enchants, refinement, coals, perfect weapon enchants were obsolete because of new "70" level where you can use better weapon enchants, better rank 12 enchantments, rank 12 bondings and if you are not in a guild then much worst because you miss like 8000 on power, 8000 on defense..now a player with a green mount rides faster than me with a purple one because I'm not in a guild lol..maybe I'm the only one to see the difference.
4.- To those players that says that players who spends money and this is a pay 2 win, what happens with players who had spent real money and find their equipments and all other items they gather absolutely obsolete? Why the company has to give away a augment companion because they close gateway and if I'm affected of game changes nerfing my epic items I have to shut up? If you don't see that rank 12 bondings and enchants, transaction weapon enchants and armor enchants is a nerf of all the items I had, then why to keep upgrading if in X months, years you will have obsoletes your items. I also had a lot of refinement points in weapons, cloak, but quiet, you can use in double refinement to "almost" upgrade your new weapons, cloack, whatever...I find weapons in players that gets +3000 on power more than mine and now that I'm not in a guild that difference can be like 11000 on power, wow, that's balance, thanks for nerf and destroy all the "progress" I achieved.
@micky1p00:
1.- Well, it seems you only hear tears and blame but is a fact. Due to game development, if you are not in a guild with high boons you are in a great disadvantage against other players that join that guilds because you are missing lot of power...Do you REALLY think this don't force players to join such kind of guilds? so which is the purpose, take time of players of doing their own stuff to do it for the guild? If you don't see that join that kind of guilds is a GREAT ADVANTAGE, then you must be blind, it's easy, with my "old items" I'm missing like 11000 on power like recently I post it
2.- Why my items can be valid for new developments? Why I always have to spend money/time to upgrade all my items? So all the gmop, all the coalesced all the resources I got opening lockboxes with money are useless because as a example, now I'm missing 11000 on power against other players because not be a guild member and my weapon is completely obsolete. By the way, in wow you have your epic items and still works from long time ago so yeah, I should be playing other games, and who is going to refund me the money I spent to find nerfed my characters for all this "wonderful" politics? Maybe you see this like blaming but it's a real waste of money this kind of politics someone decided to take. The reason I left the game was this kind of stuff where you can complete tyod campaing by only 3500 zen, cheap, well, you can always can farm dragon hoards if you have courage to gather 8000 of them in each character, running 200 tiamats success in each character in double currency event...why don't cast double currency event daily? why I have to run 400 tiamats success with "pros" to complete a campaign?
why my weapons, enchants, whatever have to be obsolete wasting all my "progress" and economical investment just because someone has "great"ideas? Please, don't want to have near such brilliant thinkers.
3.- I never blamed my last guild, but I joined a alliance party and I left the guild to know players like that, I don't want noone to force me to play as they wish, or join guilds because I'm loosing 8000 on power which is equal to 10 bondings r12 (each one gives 840 on power/defense) and of course, as the monsters in dungeons have more life points, hits harder, well, why do you want defense or power guild boons? If you don't see this is discriminatory then you are blind.

Last and most importan: In other games you don't loose your epic, enchants or weapons advances even if you leave the game during years, like wow case, so I don't understand why a company who makes profit about it makes me wase my money, again, thanks cryptic and neverwinter. I'm sure that this could be considered like fraud in many countries and services.

micky1p00 · January 2017

1. Do you still use horse and carriage ? Do you have smartphone phone or you still use nokia 2600?

2. Where someone promised you that your items would last forever? Or you thought your avatar of war will be BiS until server shutdown? You can't call something fraud if no one promised you anything.

3. If you expect MMOs to not always give you things to upgrade, what exactly the retention model you are proposing, make us all play packmen ?
The whole point of MMO is this:

4. no one destroyed your progress, that is total BS, you used your items, you have an advantage over new players, you have your r10, you have your perfect vorpal. (if you have those). Those are more than many have today. You don't want them, please send them over, I have plenty of new players who would love that progress.

5. The power boon is 8k at rank 10. It's not equal to 10 rank 12 bondings. Bondings have high price because of the stat tranasfer. r12 bondings on a pet transfer about 30k power ! Irrelevant of any guild boon. With sudden ring it can be +12k power regardless of any other things for a total of close to 40k.

8k power is nothing when DC buff for 100k power. It's about 5% dps increase.
No one will say a thing over 5%. So stop whining.

6. But You want that too? And without doing nothing, without investing time nor money ? You have done nothing, Nothing, while players grinded their HAMSTER off for those boons and you dare to complain they have it and you not ? And that it's not fair? You've done nothing for them, you don't deserve those boons. Or there is no limit to entitlement ?

7. Yes you have 3 yers old items, what you want, that your 20 years old car will drive like a new one ? That your 5 years old computer will perform exactly like new one and run all new game on ultra high quality ?
Maybe what next? You will expect 70 years old self to jump and run exactly like you were at 16?
Ohh dear, I have bad news for you on that front....

8. Have to run 400 tiamat ? Who put a gun to your face and forced you ? You repeat the same false things again and again. Tell me who forced you? No one did. Who forced you to play on 5 chars? No one did.
You choose to complete those, many other didn't, others finished those easily at the winter event, others choose not to finish those at all. You have an issue with that specific thing, provide constructive feedback after you know all the facts. And all the facts include double currency events. That were added specifically to help with that problem.

9. "I don't want noone to force me to play as they wish" Here is the core of the problem, I'll guess and you know what?! I'm good at those guesses:

You ran for the first time, and it was bad. It was not lag, it was you. You didn't change the spec, you didn't read about the changes, you did nothing about the years that passed. You thought you will jump in and be top-dog once again. And you got reality hitting you in the face like a good nice truck at 100mph.

It wasn't GM having fun, the game doesn't even have those. No one controlled you. It was all you having no clue what you are doing. Or rubberbanding, but if ever played Neverwinter, you should be very familiar with rubberbanding.

People who ran with you tried to help you, explaining that the skills you are using are long gone, your gear set up is for old DR functions. But you wouldn't listen. You know better! You demand better! You entitled better !

You think it's 8k power and AoW? It is not. A lot of players do not have that boon, and doing very very well. You want the added stats and HP from the new sets, buy blue gear from the AH, it's 500 AD per peace or run t1 few times and you are done.

Most players do not have rank 10 enchants, do not have perfect weapon enchants. And doing fine. You know why they are doing fine ? Because they play the game.
You feel that because you invested some money long ago you must have the top stuff until the end? No, you shouldn't.
And no amount of complaining will change that. You want good stuff again, play the game. You don't want to play the game, don't. Play something else. If you only login to buy the best stuff, and show around, Cryptic probably loves you. But here and advice, this is not what games are about.

mistran · January 2017

not mentin youi can just buy dragonhoard coffers from AH, but that will indeed set you backa couple of millions on ad if you do. There are guilds that do'nt require ou to contribute to the stonghold (altough contributing to it is also a nice way to make ad). I woudla dvise you to find a decent guild, one that will teach you how the game works. One that will take you on dungeon runs while rubberbanding. And maybe you should listen to peoples advise instead of just brekaing their answers down, they are just trying to help you.

khangaax · January 2017

micky1p00 said:
1. Do you still use horse and carriage ? Do you have smartphone phone or you still use nokia 2600?

2. Where someone promised you that your items would last forever? Or you thought your avatar of war will be BiS until server shutdown? You can't call something fraud if no one promised you anything.

3. If you expect MMOs to not always give you things to upgrade, what exactly the retention model you are proposing, make us all play packmen ?
The whole point of MMO is this:

4. no one destroyed your progress, that is total BS, you used your items, you have an advantage over new players, you have your r10, you have your perfect vorpal. (if you have those). Those are more than many have today. You don't want them, please send them over, I have plenty of new players who would love that progress.

5. The power boon is 8k at rank 10. It's not equal to 10 rank 12 bondings. Bondings have high price because of the stat tranasfer. r12 bondings on a pet transfer about 30k power ! Irrelevant of any guild boon. With sudden ring it can be +12k power regardless of any other things for a total of close to 40k.

8k power is nothing when DC buff for 100k power. It's about 5% dps increase.
No one will say a thing over 5%. So stop whining.

6. But You want that too? And without doing nothing, without investing time nor money ? You have done nothing, Nothing, while players grinded their HAMSTER off for those boons and you dare to complain they have it and you not ? And that it's not fair? You've done nothing for them, you don't deserve those boons. Or there is no limit to entitlement ?

7. Yes you have 3 yers old items, what you want, that your 20 years old car will drive like a new one ? That your 5 years old computer will perform exactly like new one and run all new game on ultra high quality ?
Maybe what next? You will expect 70 years old self to jump and run exactly like you were at 16?
Ohh dear, I have bad news for you on that front....

8. Have to run 400 tiamat ? Who put a gun to your face and forced you ? You repeat the same false things again and again. Tell me who forced you? No one did. Who forced you to play on 5 chars? No one did.
You choose to complete those, many other didn't, others finished those easily at the winter event, others choose not to finish those at all. You have an issue with that specific thing, provide constructive feedback after you know all the facts. And all the facts include double currency events. That were added specifically to help with that problem.

9. "I don't want noone to force me to play as they wish" Here is the core of the problem, I'll guess and you know what?! I'm good at those guesses:

You ran for the first time, and it was bad. It was not lag, it was you. You didn't change the spec, you didn't read about the changes, you did nothing about the years that passed. You thought you will jump in and be top-dog once again. And you got reality hitting you in the face like a good nice truck at 100mph.

It wasn't GM having fun, the game doesn't even have those. No one controlled you. It was all you having no clue what you are doing. Or rubberbanding, but if ever played Neverwinter, you should be very familiar with rubberbanding.

People who ran with you tried to help you, explaining that the skills you are using are long gone, your gear set up is for old DR functions. But you wouldn't listen. You know better! You demand better! You entitled better !

You think it's 8k power and AoW? It is not. A lot of players do not have that boon, and doing very very well. You want the added stats and HP from the new sets, buy blue gear from the AH, it's 500 AD per peace or run t1 few times and you are done.

Most players do not have rank 10 enchants, do not have perfect weapon enchants. And doing fine. You know why they are doing fine ? Because they play the game.
You feel that because you invested some money long ago you must have the top stuff until the end? No, you shouldn't.
And no amount of complaining will change that. You want good stuff again, play the game. You don't want to play the game, don't. Play something else. If you only login to buy the best stuff, and show around, Cryptic probably loves you. But here and advice, this is not what games are about.

1.- Demagogic. Yeah, as I bougth time ago some products, now are useless, so with thar argument you should destroy or give away any possesion you have because it worths nothing and is useless. Same here, after bougth lot of lockboxes I find that now those refinement points and coalesced wards I used it doesn't worth because they have no happy ideas than nerf the items I got with money and effort, I don't know how you DARE to say I didn't do anything. And this is not like buying a car where the brand makes something to destroy your car value what it was exactly happened with new enchants, epic items.

I don't know in what planet you live but since the monsters are stronger while my enchants keeps the same level and they add better ones while keep their original power is NERFING, any person in the world could realize about this, well, except you.

2&3.- I repeat, maybe your reading is not fine: in WOW (worl or wordcraft, maybe you have hear about it) you keep the epics, there's no such a nerf like cryptic and neverwinter have done with transcendent or rank 12 enchantments and runestones..when I left the game I could run cn without any problems, now is very different. Again, I repeat, read my words, in wow you keep the same weapon, how many millions of players they have? what is their mmo policies? don't make me laugh please, if players in wow see their equipments suffer a complete NERF like I got (well, a masked nerfing items and weapons and enchants) I'm not sure what would it happen.

4.- Advantages? you mean about new level 1 players, because compared with other ones I'm the player who is in level 1...yes, wait for my perfects, I'm going to give away just for you so kind. I would like to know how would you feel if after invest money, time and resources your characters would suffer a nerf like mines did it because cryptic/neverwinter decissions.

5.- Do you think 8000 on power is small ammount just for the fact to join a elite guild? and it's not only 8000 on power, it's 8000 on power, 8000 on defense (that makes 16k splitted in 2 stats, which is half of r12 bonding runestones, one in offense and other one in defense just for the fact to be a guild member lol)...please new players, DO NOT SPEND JUST A AD BUYING bondings, you can get those benefits joining guilds.

6.- How do you dare to say I did nothing? I think you have 2 problems: 1.- you don't read 2.- what you read you don't understand..how many times I have to tell you I have invested money and time? how many times?

7.-Your demagogic arguments repeat same as the point number 1. This is not a old product, why do you say after I have paid for services I have to conform and don't complain about changes on the game that affect my invested and time money? then, why are players that were complaining about new loot system that could affect on the action house prices? ah no, wait players, don't complain about new loot system because if there are plenty of artifacts that time ago costed millions, now they will drop to thousands, so you argument is the same for all, cryptict/neverwinter has all rigths to do whatever not matter if their acctions can harm old players, well, maybe you should be CEO/marketing neverwinter manager, that's a good policy lol

8.- Well, you can live without boons that's true but your dps will suffer while you don't have it so YES, there are ways to force persons to do things without using any gun or weapon.

9.- What the hell are you telling me? I had suffered rubberbanding other times and in none of those times my character was moved of that position so or the server is hacked or someone is having fun. By the way, I still haven't seen any player with blue items running epic dungeons, between other reasons because they wouldn't have enough item level (gear score time ago) to run it as I can't run fbi, so are you sure you know how this game works? if you know beforehand you would know that with blue items (except the ones that you can get with seals) you never would gather item level requisites to run epics.

Regards

micky1p00 · January 2017

1. The only person that says your items are useless are you. You have rank 10 enchants? You have perfect vorpal? no one else besides you think they are worthless. Only you. If you consider them worthless, send them to people who don't think like you. They will find good use for them.

2. Go play WoW. And Like all games it has item progression. You change one to another as you progress. Neverwinter didn't invent Mythic/Legendary etc.. Also as I've said in #2 Who exactly promised you that any item will keep effectiveness to the end of time? Please point me towards it, I would like to see it too.
There are reasonable time frames, releasing a better weapons set a month after many got the current one, is not reasonable, and feel free to join all the feedback on preview. 2-3 years is more then reasonable.

4. Enough with the tantrums. You have better gear than most players at 70 that are playing and enjoying the game. Tell me you sued Apple for releasing a newer iPhone and making the older obsolete? Or your Android 2.4 phone that can't run a thing today.

5. Most those that have those benefits worked for them by doing those HEs you refuse to do. Or spend a lot of AD buying stronghold packs, bells, you got invited for free and you complain ? Shame on you !
You say it cost nothing in AD and time ? It didn't cost to you ! It cost a fortune for those that leveled the SH.
People who ran those HE, DF events, Siege events, and campaigns to level the SH could have earned bondings many times over by running for themselves.
But you refuse to do so, and complain you don't get the same for free. And you see nothing wrong with it?
You left at mod4? When SH came out, only the AD cost to level structures was in the millions, 10s of millions. Where were you then ?
Influence if counted by packs is in the hundreds of millions, where are for that?

Read carefully: You have done nothing to make those boons. Nothing. 0 Contribution. And you complain you were asked to do HEs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDSqODtEFM

7. It's not old? 3 years for an mmo is gear is so old, it has spider webs on it. You can complain as much as you want. You are doing it right now. But pick your topics:

a) Your AoW and your spent money has nothing to do with your guild. Being in a guild or leaving wont change it.
b) You spend your money, you enjoined your items, we used old sets from mod 0 to mod6, that is about 2 years. You got your money worth.
c) If you don't expect change, you are wrong. Also, yes, the can change and nerf at any time. You missed that complain train by 2 years or so. What you want now? A pat on the back ?

8. DPS will suffer, yes. Force no. You wont the top things, it's a constant race. relic weapons added more then 8k power in DPS over elemental and even twisted. It means everyone rushed to get those? No. You want the best? It has price.
It means twisted are worthless and obsolete ? No.

9. BTW, want to bet? I just ran guildies with blue gear both t1 / t2. Please take me up on this bet. I would love to win your 'worthless' items. But perhaps before you say I don't know the game, check the Elemental Evil campaign window, get a calculator and add up the follwoing green/blue stuff:

Armor: 115
Green MH: 120
Boots: 111
Gloves 111
Head 108
Free Elemental artifact OH at level 70: 120

You can find exactly the same one the AH. for 50AD - 150D or so.

2 x rings 102x2: 202ilevel
pants + shirt 2 x 115: 230

Neck 101
Wasit 101

So far 1319

We have 10 enchant slots, lets put rank 7 in all of them, rank7 is 4k per one.
32 x 10 = 320 1639.

If you have an issue with rank 7, we can use the free brunor artifact and bacon of simiril and get the same with rank 5/6
Or we can use drowcraft pants / shirt for 4k each from AH and get additional enchant slot, for 135 + 32 x2, that will add 104, and together with the artifacts from above we are almost at 2k
And we haven't put a leg into an epic dungeon so far.
You also get 2 free kits from Benign eye campaign, those add to the IL too.

Screenshots:

I've stopped this nonsense, you can search the AH by yourself, set item level 100 as minimum and select the category.

khangaax said:

Why doesn't want to join a guild means to be antisocial? where do you deduct that? Why I have to spent more hours running stronghold heroics? If I have no time then is that I'm antisocial on your own words. If you join guilds you get item level and power bonus so you are FORCING players to join or they will get worst rewards in dungeons in case they are lucky to be choosen to run and don't have complains from 3k item levels characters like recently it happened to me..maybe they are melee hr but it's not my case so I don't understand why a gwf with 3k item level wants me to be on melee...he must have a bad concept or different builds of hr. Anyway, I don't like the strongholds stuff, that forces me to play more hours doing more game content I don't need just only to have more item level, power, defense,...whatever...

You will get worse rewards in dungeons ? What are you smoking ? The rewards are the same in guild, out of guild, or even if you name your guild "Bad loot".

Who forces you to play more hours? It takes 10 minutes to do 3HEs. Please share what exactly were you asked and where... I don't see any guild in the guild forums that ask anything that will take hours. And some are high rank guilds. Same in-game, I know plenty of rank 18+ guilds and none ask what you describe.

And again you don't want to do game content to have more power and yet you want the same 8k power?

Buy your boons, though there are 20 level guild that don't have requirements, I know several, you don't want to run anything to get anything, no problem, start a solo guild and buy your boons. Starting a guild is free. GL HF.

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