I go, my first run, I brave it with my guild, all unknowledgable so it stays fun. We beat it first try all with 3100 gearscore.... And my reward for braving this monstrosity? A flawless Saphire... Are you kidding me? I know there has to be bad rewards. But thats just dumb.
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I would add that you get decent Voninblod and relics to keep the gear empowered, at least until we manage to get it vivified. It gets easier with time, and you can shave off some time, making it a much more worthy endeavor.
Don't let the first run discourage you. My average seems to be 1 drop every 4-5 runs for relic gear.
I get a lot of black opals though. ....... oh the joy
I does suck to get an Elven piece of gear from it I won't lie. But at least it's not a +1 ring like most of the time from CN.
Of course CN is not nearly as "hard" as FBI, so maybe that's fair? "shrug"
I was indeed very lucky on my first 5 runs or so. I got a full Ward GF armor apart from boots which I "need" to grind those stupid HAMSTER HE's to get ugh!
All in all, I would say that FBI is by far, the best dungeon I played since the removal of the legacy ones (yeah we can actually call them legacy now). It's hard and challenging, especially the mountain climb.
The loot is pretty decent, but I do think each boss should have a guaranteed purple drop there. If most of our income is salvage (which itself is stupid) we should earn those RAD along the way to the final boss room. After the key changes, that should be the least we can have from the dev's to make our time worth the effort.
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I remember back in mod 4 running cavern like 50+ times for that one piece of miracle healer gear
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Now do not get me wrong. I like the opals i get. I really do. They are nice and shiney.
But heck not a lot of people run FBI and my guild is still getting our regular members through the first one.
As i said, 20 runs and i got a cleric regeneration helmet.
It is killing me. I already got the weapons to purple and getting them up to the point of refinement to legendary. So when i finally get marks in the msva i ll be able to do it right away.
But heck even that is killing me too... i got 1 superior mark so far.
Maybe i am just a bad cleric . Or maybe i am really unlucky with the RNG. =/
Even the old CN (and all of the other "legacy" dungeons) dropped gear at the end that you could sell if you won the roll. Other than the BiS climb, why do we need to spend 2 hours for a sapphire?
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It all a matter of perspective, if you compare a paper toy to a space ship it does look bad.
We do not claim that FBI has excellent rewards. As I said, each boss should drop something, I'm not a huge dungeon farmer, but in something like 15 runs 1st boss dropped for me only once (sound a bit...)
The turtle thing never drops anything!!!!!!!! it's so obvious it should have a chance to drop moult, but nope!
And Drufi? well maybe once or twice, but nothing too fenomenal.
At least we do not have blue HAMSTER from the dungeon....as above. If we compare apple to a pile of HAMSTER it looks ok. That's the case when we're looking at FBI drops and basically all the rest we have in the game.
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
Never got any to begin with.
Even running it once a week for the Ostorian Resin (think it's that) is still not a bad deal. As @kemi1984 said, when compared to others, it's not bad. I lost count of how many CN runs I had, and never had anything of use that I could sell and make some decent AD... we're talking hundreds of times. FBI, in about 25-30 runs, I now have all the relic pieces, lots of refinement items one of which is a Brilliant Diamond. I've had no luck elsewhere in the game.
RNG is RNG. Some people will have more luck than others, but so far, this is the best gear we can get, so might as well get it. At least run it just to do something different if for no other reason.
I see like this: Number of Demo runs v/s number of +5 rings received compared to number of FBI runs v/s items that are useful... FBI wins.
These days I do an FBI or a couple MSVAs (weapons still purple). Don't have time for much else. Takes too long to get a group for either of these, plus the runs themselves. (Without a good 4k group, FBI often runs 90+ minutes.)
I will say that I often get good salvage for the time spent, however--between boss drops and drops from chest.
I've run CN ad nauseum, about 800 times (conservatively), and never got a shard or anything worth it for me... just salvage. In total it took me about 50-60 FBI runs (wasn't really counting) to get all of my pieces, lots of RP, and recently a couple of companions, and 2 Shard of Permafrost (-50% vb consumption)...
FBI, while Glitchy with a chance of Lag, is still fun and a welcome change from the others... and its rewards by far better..
So what else are we to run and what rewards will you get that are better?
I gave up after that. I do not hope for any of the gear any more. If i do it, i do it to help the guildies as a DC.
I'm simply asking if we were willing to run CN and the other dungeons hundreds of times and not get anything, and yet still run them... why would we have issues with 50-100 runs, or even more, to get the best gear? Because we can't buy it?
Hence the question: what else are we to run?
All I care about is being able to complete the newest content, with the best items i can get... how hard will you grind is up to you, but not to run at all because the drop rate is low? might as well just stop playing the game, because everything has a very low drop rate, at least for me...
Let's not hold a double standard here... there isn't a single dungeon with better drop rates...
Once you've got your armor there's basically no reason to run it. I've got the full raid set on my CW and only needed the chest piece of my DC so I'm done with the dungeon unless some guildmates are looking for a healer/dps so they can get their armor.
But saying "it has terrible drop rates, I don't wanna run it" is what I have issues with, since all the other dungeons have worse drop rates or at best, equal... That is all I'm addressing.
Let's not get sidetracked here... I'm not saying everyone must run it or quit... if you don't want to, then don't that is fine.. if you don't want the armor, then fine too... your game your choice...
Just don't say it has terrible rewards and is not worth it, when the same applies to the other dungeons..
I'm not saying keep farming it even after you get everything you need, because what else? I know the answer to that question...
I'm addressing the OP, and then following up on people who were saying the drop rate is bogus, it's not worth farming it for the best rewards (The Relic Armor)...
Once you get the Relic Armor, is not even part of this discussion...
I basicly only run FBI for the most part and my groups are making a very good amount of AD even when buying Legendary dragon keys. In CN its very unlikely that u get even half of the key kost back
Read that twice: im buying dragon keys and make AD. For which other dungeon can u say that?