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Elitism in poorly skilled players
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Something that I see in every new mmo is a false sense of elitism in poorly skilled players. In neverwinter this elitism is coming from a persons item level. Many people believe that if they struggle in a group instance and have a high item level (3k+) it must be because the instance is too OP even for their "mlg" skills and "proper skill set up".
As of right now I am having trouble running any dungeons because of this. I sit at 2.1k item level and am getting booted from most t1 dungeon because most of the groups i get matched with believe that you need 3k to be able to damage the boss. EVEN though I always come out in the top 2 on the pain giver chart and have out dps'd many people sitting at 3k item score in those dungeons (i'm SW btw which i already know is a high dps class). I've been able to "solo" kill the bosses in t1 dungeons after my team dies in reasonable time (the hp has always been down to the last bar or two). My point is you definitely dont need to be immensely overleveled to run a group instance (3k+ for t1's?? lol)
If your reading this and thinking wth I'm wrong and the community is not like that; its is because this is how it is on the ps4, which is where i am currently playing.
Which leads to my question for pc veterans.
How long did it take for this elitism in the poorly skilled players to die off?
As of right now I am having trouble running any dungeons because of this. I sit at 2.1k item level and am getting booted from most t1 dungeon because most of the groups i get matched with believe that you need 3k to be able to damage the boss. EVEN though I always come out in the top 2 on the pain giver chart and have out dps'd many people sitting at 3k item score in those dungeons (i'm SW btw which i already know is a high dps class). I've been able to "solo" kill the bosses in t1 dungeons after my team dies in reasonable time (the hp has always been down to the last bar or two). My point is you definitely dont need to be immensely overleveled to run a group instance (3k+ for t1's?? lol)
If your reading this and thinking wth I'm wrong and the community is not like that; its is because this is how it is on the ps4, which is where i am currently playing.
Which leads to my question for pc veterans.
How long did it take for this elitism in the poorly skilled players to die off?
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I was forced to upgrade my ilvl instead of spending AD on other things like mounts, insignias and companion. I had to put high level enchants on me instead of my companion (even though +330 power on my companion means 924 power and not only 330 power on me) just because of the elitism.
I was even put aside on some master svardborg runs recently to give place to a lot of 4k toons whose dps are half of mine just because they were 4k and I'm 3.9k.
If you do a lot of pugs, you gonna have to "prove your value". You gonna have to show people that you are good. Again, it's ridiculous, yes...but that's how it works. But before you can show that you are good, you need to have their "requirement" for dungeons.
Go with the flow, do your job and people will see your abilities and they will add you to their friendlists and soon people will send you messages to run stuff. Make some friends in the game. I don't know if on the PS4 there are channels like on PC. If so, get 3k gs and join these channels. But yes, you will see a lot of elitism on these channels as well (if they exist)
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I'll try out one of the guilds from the million invites being thrown out daily i guess. Even if i have to instruct at least i'll hopefully progress at a decent rate? lol.
And yes TR players have it worse than anyone in any mmo. They are the scarlet letter in a society of saints. My issue compared to that of a TR player is minuscule >.<
Many people in pc went to ps4 and brought their mentality with them.
From there it spread like a plaguest to more people.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
Artifacts are 100k+ (green and above)
there is no armor or weapons, if there is i always miss there listings before someone buys them
mounts and companions dont contribute to gs so it doesnt help
daily rough astrol convert is 36k
feeder for gear will cost you more than the actual items themselves majority of the time
idk what else i could buy to boost my gs, i have the drow pants/shirt which is the best on ps4 ah atm
Took me about 8 months to get my main up to 3k, would have been sooner but took some time off
If enchantment choices are more or less the same on PS4, as it is on PC, you've probably noticed that most run with vorpal or dread, which means you should be able to bring a unique buff to most parties.
Get into a decent guild and all should be good
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This is what i write when some one dies in a dungeon ^^.
The prices look the same on ps4 and PC, with the exception that with the arrival of msva and the new designed glorious resurgence lockbox we got some stabilities and union artifacts going for 60-90k ad on the AH.
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Then noone will care about ilvl anymore
How do you find a group?
Using queue? => wrong you will found the bottom of the players here
Using LFG in Protector's enclave ? => You can try but, this is totally random
Using community channel => It may be good, it may not, but you won't be insulted.
Using Alliance chat ? => OK
Using Guild chat => Best choice
If you don't have a guild, nor community channels, join them. You can't play this game solo.
When I started playing NW and my gwf reached the lvl cap of 60 I was a horrible dps as well. It took me several months to gain the know-how and learn about the buff mechanics, which happened simultaneously to the process of gearing up. When I hit the lvl cap I was at 12K gear score, by the time I reached 20K I had gained the knowledge. You just don't start off a new game as a professional, which is why everyone assumes 2K players are newbies and missing both, the stats and a decent build. Yes, its a generalization but according to the own experience it's not too far off from the truth.
Hælja, Swordmaster Conqueror Guardian Fighter of Thieves World
As others have already wrote, channels, alliances, guilds, friends...
There is no good excuse getting all rank12 utility slots and not having bondings.
I think this is pretty 'normal'.
A 4k can also be bad dps if wrongly specced and badly built, but he usually will be ok dps and has the potential to really shine.
And note we are not talking a minor 25% differenc etc.. depending on class etc, even a well-specced and well played 2.1k might be only 10% of the dps the 4k can push.
The OP poster has the usual lack of self-understanding that is all too common: When the comunity tells you your performance is inferior, it is not because you are misunderstood or discriminated against.. it actually because you DO have inferior performance.
I do not really see the community as too elitist though.. as long as the overall group composition is good enough to do the zone most PUGs in my experience will tolerate group members that have too low IL to pull their weight. It only becomes a problem when there are too many low-performance characters in the group so group will struggle to do the zone.
And as a general rule: To be useful in a zone, you need 500 points IL above the entrance requirement.
Being so tightly involved with my guild since the second I joined the game over 2 years ago, it makes me sad. Some of those peeps deserve a home that'll treat them right and not require them to show their orange gear to get anybody's attention. For the most part, if somebody even bothers telling them before they get booted or never invited again, they'll be told they suck and that's it. No pointers, no "here's what you might want to improve", maybe someone will link them a guide and get it over with just to be fair.
It is however extremely common in all MMO's and it's not going anywhere. If you're smart, find a guild that'll appreciate you and treat you with respect, where everyone is sharing a common ground and you won't be treated poorly due to what gear you have. Pugs and strangers are not to be trusted :P
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However.. I dont care what platform you play on.. must of the time if your pugging your running etos , cn or elol.. most 3ks dps should be able to solo those.. so poof on them if they kick players and they are 3k++.
If a team is struggling that 3k usually sux it. Frankly most late 2ks can do most of that content easily enough.. carrying 1-2 lower I levels should come with the territory if you pug. If your not willing to do that , regardless of your platform, then stop pugging, your just being a overall jerk.
Its poor form IMO, that you enter a PUG group and you kick people if your that high level..
can i give you some advice? dont pug dungeons. find yourself a good active guild, one with a good mix of players, who arent elitist and who will have experienced players and new alike and run dungeons together. find people who are like minded and will run with you, even if its to carry you through a dungeon to get gear. we do this in our guild. and i can honestly tell you that i have been playing on three years and it was a very very long time ago that i pugged a dungeon.
GS means squat by itself. if you have a HAMSTER build, the gear doesnt make up for that. I have seen plenty of high gs players get our damaged by lower gs players. its only when you have a good build and the higher gs that you really start to shine. so thats my second bit of advice to you. build your toon well, always look to improve it and not just by getting good gear. it will make you a better and stronger player.
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