treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
I like SE, i dont think it's wrong the way it is, but i disagree with 1 shots from a endgame/very evolved player to a newcomer/not so evolved player if you watch youtube: Minimi deals with it fine, icydrake deals with it fine, paladins...... (endgame almost unkilable), mikehunt deals well with it, TR's same, CW's with T.elven and good ctrl resitance will make it most of the times, HR's not so well but still they have chances SW's now have imunity frame, i think it's bad....but lets wait to see if some changes are made. If i were to change something on SE it would be it's interaction with first strike and some measure to make top pvper not 1 shot starters.
another cry baby...shouts for se..lol...they need to nerf ''first strike'' power ..not se ...geezus... daily powers act as finishing moves against any target...they must deal large amounts of damage.... my gosh..stop crying about oneshots...it's your fault if you go fight 3k,4k opponents....
I met 200k+ SE, cant even acheive that HP pool on GWF... If non-dodge people doont have maxed HP SH boon then they are dead. No matter if they have 4k. No daly should be able to one-shot people. Do you even know what is fnisher? Move to finish somebody, someone at lowered HP. Not one-shot hit from full HP to 0.
It's very simple, you get one shot and then you wonder wtf just happened. It's all in the name really.
There are other dailies and encounters that sounds dangerous. Have you seen Gates of Hell actually sending enemies to hell (bringing insta death)? No? One shot from Disintegrate? Hammer of Fate? Anything? Nope. Cheap explantion for SE one-shot overperformance. All other classes have to invest into ArP while TR is free to go into power and reco+deflect to survive between SE. Its not easy to kill skilled TR already. Not to mention alot of them use cheap tactic with ambush ring running around invisible and killing people.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
I am a tr... I don't spam shocking execution... There are some classes you won't be able to hurt at all with tr unless you use SE.
If SE is nerfed then tr needs at will and encounter damage buffs.
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
I for one don't feel SE should be nerfed... Courage breaker also should not be nerfed
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instead i feel like with current ap generation dailies are just stupid. SE and to a lesser extend courage breaker are stupid. and the same can be said about how low the general damage from TR is. i hope in a rework as soon as possible.
An execution type kill move is something that fits the TR. SE needs to respect a 50% hit point threshold. Piercing isn't really the problem.
Considering the state of self healing getting certain classes to 50% is quite a challenge, espepically for a TR.
ITC needs to go away and be replaced with a CC breaker with some other compensatory aspect. Straight up immunity is pretty darn lame.
Then raise all TR encounter power AND at Wills.
Address the top levels of the a Scoundrel path.
Like other classes, get all the darn powers working correctly.
Done.
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deathklaat666Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 61Arc User
Its not just TRs.. one Shotting .. ive seen one shots from GWF and GF as well....one shots in pvp have no place.. you grind your HAMSTER off or pay good money to get your gear boons and Hitpoints up to be taken out in one fell swipe. its pathetic and one of the contributing reasons to the decline in players who play pvp.
Unless you have zero tenacity, only class that one shots is a TR. The fact there were no class balances for TRs just shows you that devs don't care about pvp
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For those don't don't understand TR class and why they have piercing powers or shocking execution, In d&d and in all othe games with TR type classes the tr classes have attacks that bypass defences and some that do double damage or more from critical attacks or backstabbing behind foe attacks.
In most games tr type classes have skills that will kill you with one hit that cool down in about 7 to 15 seconds.
In most games? Or in few. Imagine butthurt if any other class would have one-shot daily against TRs, even stealthed. You use leather clothes, you should be dead if anyone even touch you, funny, innit?
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
I remember when ice knife was one shotting people.. gwf one shotting.. Gf one shotting...
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
It's most games that tr types one shot people
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I like SE, i dont think it's wrong the way it is, but i disagree with 1 shots from a endgame/very evolved player to a newcomer/not so evolved player if you watch youtube: Minimi deals with it fine, icydrake deals with it fine, paladins...... (endgame almost unkilable), mikehunt deals well with it, TR's same, CW's with T.elven and good ctrl resitance will make it most of the times, HR's not so well but still they have chances SW's now have imunity frame, i think it's bad....but lets wait to see if some changes are made. If i were to change something on SE it would be it's interaction with first strike and some measure to make top pvper not 1 shot starters.
CW need a feytouch and shield on tab and then i will go laugh with shocking damage. THE only shocking can kill a wizard is from FRIENDLY buffs itf break the sprit etc.
I remember when ice knife was one shotting people.. gwf one shotting..
Gf one shotting...
Fixed. GF can stay deadly but not much as now. And dont think I ever one-shot any geared people with my GWF. Need full stacks to land high dmg IBS strike but thats rare and still looks poor against 3k tena 150k HP people with high healing. Because people can mitigate my damage. TR bypass all kind of defensive stats and even pierce DC's empowered shield. Indeed, TR class need rework and WK path should get something extra. But NO to one-shot SE.
I think ITC is fine as is. Also, if they would give SW and GWF a proper dodge, SE could stay as is. It should take work to one-shot people, not just a cheap shot from behind. Let us run away like cowards at least.lol
Wouldn't that cause a gwf to be utterably unkillable since you can use that power that refills your stamina to full, n' get it back fairly quickly due to recovery? :P Not to mention other buffs that effect cooldowns as well etc. Sorry that this is somewhat off topic. :T
another cry baby...shouts for se..lol...they need to nerf ''first strike'' power ..not se ...geezus... daily powers act as finishing moves against any target...they must deal large amounts of damage.... my gosh..stop crying about oneshots...it's your fault if you go fight 3k,4k opponents....
Why stronghold boons relate to it? Because of 8000 power? If u exclude the stronghold boons both on tr and his target, the issue still exist. Tr lose 8000 power and his target lost the hp boons as well, nothing change.
My poor tr 16k power no boons can SE 120k - 130k with first strike...enough to 1 shot most class around 2500 -3000 lv, especially the player who in small guild that doesn't has the hp boon
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demonmongerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,350Arc User
If tr loses shocking execution and self healing and super defense remains, there will be many more people complaining that no one dies in high end pvp.... I say grant other classes strong daily attacks, don't need shocking execution
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I don't spam shocking execution...
There are some classes you won't be able to hurt at all with tr unless you use SE.
If SE is nerfed then tr needs at will and encounter damage buffs.
Courage breaker also should not be nerfed
SE and to a lesser extend courage breaker are stupid.
and the same can be said about how low the general damage from TR is.
i hope in a rework as soon as possible.
In most games tr type classes have skills that will kill you with one hit that cool down in about 7 to 15 seconds.
Here are some videos
Knight online- showing spike damage
One hit ko on most people
Rakion
Showing evasion and power backstab ability
Gf one shotting...
GF can stay deadly but not much as now. And dont think I ever one-shot any geared people with my GWF. Need full stacks to land high dmg IBS strike but thats rare and still looks poor against 3k tena 150k HP people with high healing. Because people can mitigate my damage. TR bypass all kind of defensive stats and even pierce DC's empowered shield.
Indeed, TR class need rework and WK path should get something extra. But NO to one-shot SE.
If u exclude the stronghold boons both on tr and his target, the issue still exist. Tr lose 8000 power and his target lost the hp boons as well, nothing change.
My poor tr 16k power no boons can SE 120k - 130k with first strike...enough to 1 shot most class around 2500 -3000 lv, especially the player who in small guild that doesn't has the hp boon