Honestly, that's a pretty substantial monetary investment. The drop rate isn't great, and even then, when you open them up you get ONE R5 or ONE R4.
A R9 Quartermaster's enchantment runs you about 600k. Of course, some people say you need R11 to get the best drop chance. That's over 2 million AD.
So let's just assume R9 is fine. But with my R11 slotted, I get about 66% Spoils, 33% Equipment. Spoils drop the R5/R4. Those are about 50/50.
2% chance to get a drop. So roughly every 50 kills, you get one bag. Or every 150 kills, you get 2 spoils. Out of those 2 spoils, you get 1 R5. So 150 kills for 1 R5, and one R4. A R5 sells for about 250 AD. R4 is 50 AD.
So every 150 kills nets you 300 AD. Or about 2 AD a kill.
Now assuming you can kill a group of 5 monsters every 10 seconds, or 1 every 2 seconds, you're earning 1 AD/sec. That's one week of non-stop grinding monsters, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week to break even.
Of course, all this assumes your bot doesn't end up banned in the process.
If anyone has any data to add about drop rates of R6 or R7, I'd love to add them in. But I've opened dozens and dozens of Spoils of War and have yet to see anything higher than R5.
dude, if you have multiple copies of the enchant it increases your chances of getting the loot and increases the quality of loot given. im running with 3 rank 9s and 2 rank 8s and i get a spoils on almost every pull of mobs. also, each bag has at least 1 R5 and many have R6's also some bags hold 2 enchants not one. so you assumptions here are way off. i farm for about 2 hours a day for just bags alone. plus the time i play doing other things. and already i have made my money back in RP. plus some. also, with all R9s you have a higher chance of R7's dropping out of the bags.
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
its a % total, correct, but hes not incorrect about the total cost. 4 r9s is almost 2 million and that is seems to be as low as you can get away with.
Say one r5 stack is 40k on average. You can buy 50 stacks of r5 for that price of the 4 r9s.
Which is already 2,673,000 without double weekend involved.
None of that really gets to the root of the matter, new players are screwed in new system. I kept a stack of r5 quartermasters, I havent decided to make them up or not.
But I dont like them, I dont like that they are here, I dont like that the game is forcing you to use them either.
Its too much, RP needs have gotten a little out of control, as is costing.
Its time for the game company to rescale this back down a little, this is why new players quit all the time. A general scaling back if we are going to keep the same system of 25-30% of all rp seems warranted.
silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
My issue though, is that every player can make lesser hoards by playing the game and 4 lesser hoards on every alt, doesnt make for less loot, just usually a less loot chance.
Quartermasters, MAKES you basically get all the way to r9 to make use for it.
This isnt a good solution to the RP needs of the game, plus it screws out alts, who is going to pay that much AD for most of your alts, waste of time and effort.
I simply think it was a poorly planned and not well thought out concept.
If it was similiar to the hoards but for regular RP, I couldve lived with it.
My issue though, is that every player can make lesser hoards by playing the game and 4 lesser hoards on every alt, doesnt make for less loot, just usually a less loot chance.
Quartermasters, MAKES you basically get all the way to r9 to make use for it.
This isnt a good solution to the RP needs of the game, plus it screws out alts, who is going to pay that much AD for most of your alts, waste of time and effort.
I simply think it was a poorly planned and not well thought out concept.
If it was similiar to the hoards but for regular RP, I couldve lived with it.
It doesn't screw alts. You just run rank 7s on alts and when you're opening the bags on your alts you switch in your rank 9s.
Btw. Rank 5 enchants are not the RP you should buy. Rank 6 are much cheaper at stacks, the new place for bots is found and it's not gonna take long til prices will drop, just take some time
Btw. Rank 5 enchants are not the RP you should buy. Rank 6 are much cheaper at stacks, the new place for bots is found and it's not gonna take long til prices will drop, just take some time
If you got eyes and brain you can do the math yourself
99 rank5. 30k+AD
99 rank6. 80k AD
Sure its those enchants, what else
Still equivalent to 21-24k stacks of rank 5s : \
that´s what I saw in the AH atm, not sure what you refer to, everything is cheaper than rank5 last double rp you could buy those rank 8 for <3k AD, they were far cheaper than rank 5´s...but everybody bought those rank 5 stacks and payed 20-30kAD, near double the price, not my problem, I bought rank 8´s (who came from lockboxes etc.) rank 6 enchants never existet in these ammounts before the quartermaster enchant got that "hip" I guess the "bot-industry" will regrow again , like a pheonix and all your sorrows are done
If you got eyes and brain you can do the math yourself
99 rank5. 30k+AD
99 rank6. 80k AD
Sure its those enchants, what else
Still equivalent to 21-24k stacks of rank 5s : \
no, a rank 6 is 2/3 price of a rank 5 regarding rp/AD value , and every rank following (7,8) is cheaper than rank 5 last double rp everyone bought stacks of rank5 for 20-30k AD, regardless a rank 8 was sold for <3k AD, near half price, that´s math the bot industry will recover and all your sorrows will end soon i guess rank 6 enchants never existet in these ammounts before quartermasterecnhant got "hip"
"Quartermaster's Enchantment: Similar to the Dragon Hoard Enchantment, the bonus drops given by this item now reduce in frequency after a certain number of drops in a day."
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Sry for referencing something on preview, but without this information the botting discussion will go on endlessly.
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vaporwalkerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 19Arc User
edited June 2016
1 hour spider farm - fae canopy, stronghold
using a 4k TR with a total 13% chance from quartermasters enchants
Mob drops: -r5 x38 -abandoned gear x11 *r6 x16 -spoils of war x54 *minor resonance stones x22 *greater mark of potency x1 *konig coin x2 *r6 x68 *r7 x6 TOTALS from bag drops: -r6 x84 -r7 x6 -konig coin x2 -minor res stones x22 -gmop x1
not bad for an hour of grinding
edit: total cost to me for quartermasters = 4.5 million AD total profits from 1 hour of grinding = 120k AD at that rate the quartermasters will pay for themselves after 37.5 hours of grinding
if you grind for ~3 hours a day, it will take a week and a half to pay for itself
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vaporwalkerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 19Arc User
another 1 hour spider farm
mob drops: -r5 x49 -abandoned gear x15 *r7 x3 *r6 x18 *konig coin x1 -spoils of war x56 *r7 x4 *r6 x75 *minor res stone x19 *feywild spark x1 *vanguard script x1 *elemental cult orders x1 *dragon sigil x1
seems pretty consistent. i think there are 4 tiers of rewards: .5-5%, 5.5-10%, 10.5-15%, 15.5-17.5% so if you equip a lone r12 (3.5%) you are not going to see a noticeable difference in bag contents than if you equipped a r7 (1%), since they are in the same tier. You need to equip multiple enchants to see the difference.
Looking at the auction house data there's already dubious accounts selling dozens of stacks of R6. As @schietindebux mentioned it was only a matter of time before the market would crash. Even after the nerf it's still better than a Fey Blessing and no doubt you'll get your investment back over time.
yes but by banning bots that use them they effectively hurt them a lot so let bots adept, let them invest in qm and thn let them get banned loosing their r12s.
before bots needed only a certain level and got r5 for free from nodes - ban - create new bot
now create bot - equip r7-10 quartermasters for a few millions - get banned. = lots of hurt if they are fast with banning.
i was going to say they will get the dragon hoard treatment but you were ahead of me.
Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost" zhentarim-warlock-companion
It's even worse than DH. After ~10 drops or half an hour your drop rate for the bags drops to near zero.
Like a bag every twenty minutes. Sad part is that bots won't care because they can keep playing all day. Once again nerfs hit players harder than bots. But hey, Cryptic is fighting the bots.
If you got eyes and brain you can do the math yourself
99 rank5. 30k+AD
99 rank6. 80k AD
Sure its those enchants, what else
Still equivalent to 21-24k stacks of rank 5s : \
no, a rank 6 is 2/3 price of a rank 5 regarding rp/AD value , and every rank following (7,8) is cheaper than rank 5 last double rp everyone bought stacks of rank5 for 20-30k AD, regardless a rank 8 was sold for <3k AD, near half price, that´s math the bot industry will recover and all your sorrows will end soon i guess rank 6 enchants never existet in these ammounts before quartermasterecnhant got "hip"</p>
Rank 6 enchants are worth 2160RP without a multiplier. Rank 5s are worth 540 RP.
So one stack of rank 6s is equivalent in RP to four stacks of r5s. So a stack of r6s at 85k is like buying 4 stacks of rank 5s at 21250.
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greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,158Arc User
...and once again something useful gets a nerf. What is the aversion to BtA drops from things like this?
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
But it´s a proof that devs read the forum otherwise they would have needed 3 years to get notice about it.... just refined up to 10.5% last week it´s not worth going for it at all, no drops at all afer the 30th bag i would estimate
It's even worse than DH. After ~10 drops or half an hour your drop rate for the bags drops to near zero.
Atleast they're predicable.
1 have one hoard (rank 12) and 4 quartermaters (1 rank 11, 3 rank 10). After some drops quarters stopped to drop. I killed 25 minutes without a single bag. (hoard dropped 4-5 things during that time).
Quartermaster became almost useless.. Thanks+
Its good for the TIL, however it drops Bag of Nothing.
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Say one r5 stack is 40k on average. You can buy 50 stacks of r5 for that price of the 4 r9s.
Which is already 2,673,000 without double weekend involved.
None of that really gets to the root of the matter, new players are screwed in new system. I kept a stack of r5 quartermasters, I havent decided to make them up or not.
But I dont like them, I dont like that they are here, I dont like that the game is forcing you to use them either.
Its too much, RP needs have gotten a little out of control, as is costing.
Its time for the game company to rescale this back down a little, this is why new players quit all the time. A general scaling back if we are going to keep the same system of 25-30% of all rp seems warranted.
Quartermasters, MAKES you basically get all the way to r9 to make use for it.
This isnt a good solution to the RP needs of the game, plus it screws out alts, who is going to pay that much AD for most of your alts, waste of time and effort.
I simply think it was a poorly planned and not well thought out concept.
If it was similiar to the hoards but for regular RP, I couldve lived with it.
Because of the quartermaster's enchantment.
99 rank5. 30k+AD
99 rank6. 80k AD
Sure its those enchants, what else
last double rp you could buy those rank 8 for <3k AD, they were far cheaper than rank 5´s...but everybody bought those rank 5 stacks and payed 20-30kAD, near double the price, not my problem, I bought rank 8´s (who came from lockboxes etc.)
rank 6 enchants never existet in these ammounts before the quartermaster enchant got that "hip"
I guess the "bot-industry" will regrow again , like a pheonix and all your sorrows are done
rank 5 = 540rp 99stack=53460rp= 30k+AD
rank 6 = 2160rp r5x4 25stack=54000kAD=20kAD
rank 7 = 4320 r5x8 13stack= 56krp=25k AD
rank 8 = 12960rp r5x24 4stack = 51840rp= 21,6k AD
last double rp everyone bought stacks of rank5 for 20-30k AD, regardless a rank 8 was sold for <3k AD, near half price, that´s math
the bot industry will recover and all your sorrows will end soon i guess
rank 6 enchants never existet in these ammounts before quartermasterecnhant got "hip"
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1216931/maze-engine-preview-patch-notes-nw-62-20160523a-3
"Quartermaster's Enchantment: Similar to the Dragon Hoard Enchantment, the bonus drops given by this item now reduce in frequency after a certain number of drops in a day."
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Sry for referencing something on preview, but without this information the botting discussion will go on endlessly.
using a 4k TR with a total 13% chance from quartermasters enchants
Mob drops:
-r5 x38
-abandoned gear x11
*r6 x16
-spoils of war x54
*minor resonance stones x22
*greater mark of potency x1
*konig coin x2
*r6 x68
*r7 x6
TOTALS from bag drops:
-r6 x84
-r7 x6
-konig coin x2
-minor res stones x22
-gmop x1
not bad for an hour of grinding
edit:
total cost to me for quartermasters = 4.5 million AD
total profits from 1 hour of grinding = 120k AD
at that rate the quartermasters will pay for themselves after 37.5 hours of grinding
if you grind for ~3 hours a day, it will take a week and a half to pay for itself
mob drops:
-r5 x49
-abandoned gear x15
*r7 x3
*r6 x18
*konig coin x1
-spoils of war x56
*r7 x4
*r6 x75
*minor res stone x19
*feywild spark x1
*vanguard script x1
*elemental cult orders x1
*dragon sigil x1
seems pretty consistent.
i think there are 4 tiers of rewards: .5-5%, 5.5-10%, 10.5-15%, 15.5-17.5%
so if you equip a lone r12 (3.5%) you are not going to see a noticeable difference in bag contents than if you equipped a r7 (1%), since they are in the same tier. You need to equip multiple enchants to see the difference.
Looking at the auction house data there's already dubious accounts selling dozens of stacks of R6. As @schietindebux mentioned it was only a matter of time before the market would crash. Even after the nerf it's still better than a Fey Blessing and no doubt you'll get your investment back over time.
before bots needed only a certain level and got r5 for free from nodes - ban - create new bot
now create bot - equip r7-10 quartermasters for a few millions - get banned. = lots of hurt if they are fast with banning.
i was going to say they will get the dragon hoard treatment but you were ahead of me.
zhentarim-warlock-companion
Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
Like a bag every twenty minutes. Sad part is that bots won't care because they can keep playing all day. Once again nerfs hit players harder than bots. But hey, Cryptic is fighting the bots.
Rank 6 enchants are worth 2160RP without a multiplier. Rank 5s are worth 540 RP.
So one stack of rank 6s is equivalent in RP to four stacks of r5s. So a stack of r6s at 85k is like buying 4 stacks of rank 5s at 21250.
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
it´s not worth going for it at all, no drops at all afer the 30th bag i would estimate
Quartermaster became almost useless.. Thanks+
Its good for the TIL, however it drops Bag of Nothing.
did the spider farm post-nerf:
9 spoils of war, 1 abandoned gear in the first 10 minutes.
then not one single bag in the next 40 minutes.
the quartermasters literally worked for 10 minutes then stopped.
10 MINUTES A DAY?!
REALLY?!