If he was running low rank enchants in def slots, no utility enchants, had level 139 artifacts etc. etc. he could have pretty similar offensive stats and then GWFs still outDPS CWs anyways. Then have the CW be MoF and it's not even a contest.
Wasn't the case. I've never seen players with 3.6+ item level just forgot to put something, anythin in empty slots. They did have some 9 in the utils, defs were 10s and up. Had some 11s in the off slots.
I'm talking about the GWF. Rank 10 azures slotted in offense slots and perfect bondings would make it not even matter that the CW is 3.6. The point was that a lot of the CWs ilvl could be in items that don't really matter, and if he was Mof/Renegade then it wouldn't even matter.
Ok, I'm pretty sure I just managed to hit a 1,000,000 Anvil crit against one of the mobs in eDemo. Because I was in edmo I didn't think of bloody recording it to check.
If it did actually happen then there's clearly something bugged about how it interacts with other classes - I was also in a group with a DC, GF, CW and TR.
Ok, I'm pretty sure I just managed to hit a 1,000,000 Anvil crit against one of the mobs in eDemo. Because I was in edmo I didn't think of bloody recording it to check.
All classes can crit for 1 million damage now. Even clerics. So not a big deal anymore. I borrowed my girlfriend's vorp stone to test on my alt GWF and hit for over a million.
Welcome to the power creep. But only certain people are allowed. The rest have to stay as service classes and buff&heal the DPS overloads. What a joke.
Ok, I'm pretty sure I just managed to hit a 1,000,000 Anvil crit against one of the mobs in eDemo. Because I was in edmo I didn't think of bloody recording it to check.
All classes can crit for 1 million damage now. Even clerics. So not a big deal anymore. I borrowed my girlfriend's vorp stone to test on my alt GWF and hit for over a million.
Welcome to the power creep. But only certain people are allowed. The rest have to stay as service classes and buff&heal the DPS overloads. What a joke.
Then you're playing the wrong class? I'm fine tanking and buffing. There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS as well, it's already contributing plenty as it is.
Ok, I'm pretty sure I just managed to hit a 1,000,000 Anvil crit against one of the mobs in eDemo. Because I was in edmo I didn't think of bloody recording it to check.
All classes can crit for 1 million damage now. Even clerics. So not a big deal anymore. I borrowed my girlfriend's vorp stone to test on my alt GWF and hit for over a million.
Welcome to the power creep. But only certain people are allowed. The rest have to stay as service classes and buff&heal the DPS overloads. What a joke.
Then you're playing the wrong class? I'm fine tanking and buffing. There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS as well, it's already contributing plenty as it is.
The problem is that other classes have been nerfed so much or balanced so badly that they can't deal with the utility of a Guardian Fighter. We have a Striker tree and (aside from some set ups and some possible bugs) we don't do that much damage in PvE. We can destroy in PvP, but the people bitching usually have tiny amounts of defence and wonder why we can flatten them so easily. Any well-set character played by someone who knows what they're doing can easily go toe-to-toe with a DPS GF.
The answer is not "nerf" the GF. The answer is to bring back the utility and usefulness of the other classes and their various builds.
A 3.6k CW Thaum can easily beat a 2.6k GWF since the LM nerf. But I do like the clever attempt to turn this into a nerf CW and GWF thread.
GWF and CW are going to get re-works. The devs have acknowledged every class is going to be hit with the 're-work' hammer over the next 1.5 years. Some of that re-work for every class will almost certainly include nerfs. Perhaps some will get buffs here and there but Devs do have to take into consideration Game Challenge. One legit way to do that is to hit every class with nerfs. They'll buff a few things (like GF at-wills) but take away from others (like GWF Unstoppable temp hp).
I never see the TR class at the top of DPS charts even though as a fellow "pure striker" class they should be taking the dps-crown from GWFs in PvE at least 50% the time. Yet they never do.
I agree that GWF stack feats need rework to be more on par with TR. Better yet would be buffing TR to GWF Destroyer dps-ability but then that makes addressing overall gameplay challenge more difficult. And I'd like GWF temp hp restored to their previous level. But restoring it reduces gameplay challenge so it's unlikely GWF will ever get them back. At the very least Sentinel tree needs some Dev love. And the rank 12 bonding stones on pets needs to be fixed too. It's just as bad an exploit as the LoL set was.
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Ok, I'm pretty sure I just managed to hit a 1,000,000 Anvil crit against one of the mobs in eDemo. Because I was in edmo I didn't think of bloody recording it to check.
If it did actually happen then there's clearly something bugged about how it interacts with other classes - I was also in a group with a DC, GF, CW and TR.
If a DC was in your eDemo and you got that hit I can guarantee that DC slotted Prophecy of Doom. Prophecy of Doom + Into the Fray = Nuclear Armageddon.
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Ok, I'm pretty sure I just managed to hit a 1,000,000 Anvil crit against one of the mobs in eDemo. Because I was in edmo I didn't think of bloody recording it to check.
All classes can crit for 1 million damage now. Even clerics. So not a big deal anymore. I borrowed my girlfriend's vorp stone to test on my alt GWF and hit for over a million.
Welcome to the power creep. But only certain people are allowed. The rest have to stay as service classes and buff&heal the DPS overloads. What a joke.
Then you're playing the wrong class? I'm fine tanking and buffing. There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS as well, it's already contributing plenty as it is.
That is the same comback I get when I play my Sentinel GWF. It was player sentiment like that that ruined Sentinel as a viable tree.
I suspect it's not practical to go off and create another main for most people. Perfect World doesn't exactly have a reputation among gamers for having an affordable cash shop and for being non-grindy.
Ok, I'm pretty sure I just managed to hit a 1,000,000 Anvil crit against one of the mobs in eDemo. Because I was in edmo I didn't think of bloody recording it to check.
All classes can crit for 1 million damage now. Even clerics. So not a big deal anymore. I borrowed my girlfriend's vorp stone to test on my alt GWF and hit for over a million.
Welcome to the power creep. But only certain people are allowed. The rest have to stay as service classes and buff&heal the DPS overloads. What a joke.
Then you're playing the wrong class? I'm fine tanking and buffing. There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS as well, it's already contributing plenty as it is.
That is the same comback I get when I play my Sentinel GWF. It was player sentiment like that that ruined Sentinel as a viable tree.
I suspect it's not practical to go off and create another main for most people. Perfect World doesn't exactly have a reputation among gamers for having an affordable cash shop and for being non-grindy.
That's the thing though, it wouldn't make them any less viable. All the things that make GF an effective tank are stats that even DPS tanks are stacking into. They just use a couple of DPS artifacts and slot azures in offensive slots instead of silverys. It would take very little effort to switch to a more tank focused build not that they would even really need to.
Then you're playing the wrong class? I'm fine tanking and buffing. There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS as well, it's already contributing plenty as it is.
"There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS "
Conq description by the game it self: (from in game Conq tooltip)
"The Conqueror wields weapons with Skill and Mastery. Dealing Heave damage to foes,with enhanced damage dealing powers,Criticals and Combat Advantage"
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Before you participate in a nerf thread ,made by sworn enemies of Gf community ("let the nerf crusade begin!" Sharpedge pm to me) and make assumptions what a Gf should do,maybe you could check by your self that ,contrary to what 99% of Cw community believes,
GUARDIAN FIGHTER CLASS HAS A DPS TREE ,BY DEFINITION,CLEARLY .MADE BY THE DEVS THE FIRST DAY THIS GAME GOT OUT.
I will say something not to Urabask but generally:
Stop talking HAMSTER ,stop being ignorant,stop putting shoes to the Gf class,based on your experiences of the past games. NW is not WoW ,stop this HAMSTER already.
The term "tank" "DPS" "healer" partially apply to NW. All have a secondary ability as true followers of DnD traditions and rules.
GWF has an off tank path. DC a DPS one. TR a control/melee one (scoundrel) HR trapper is a DPS/CC path. etc...
Your favorite class ,CW,does not fit the stereotypes you want to apply to GFs and your WoW slugs. Cw can heal,can DPS ,can control.All WAI.
But GFs?? "No they must abide to their role!!!They are tanks@@"
Stop for being hypocrites and two faced.Enough !,people.
here is a tank for you!
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
And that's why we're always hesitant to let "nerf this!" threads go on. When we're getting more reports about insults, trolling and personal abuse that actual posts being made in the thread, it's clear that nothing more valuable is going to come out of this.
Hopefully we'll see more class balance changes posted soon, and we can begin another (hopefully healthy) debate on the issue.
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If it did actually happen then there's clearly something bugged about how it interacts with other classes - I was also in a group with a DC, GF, CW and TR.
I borrowed my girlfriend's vorp stone to test on my alt GWF and hit for over a million.
Welcome to the power creep. But only certain people are allowed. The rest have to stay as service classes and buff&heal the DPS overloads. What a joke.
Then you're playing the wrong class? I'm fine tanking and buffing. There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS as well, it's already contributing plenty as it is.
The answer is not "nerf" the GF. The answer is to bring back the utility and usefulness of the other classes and their various builds.
I never see the TR class at the top of DPS charts even though as a fellow "pure striker" class they should be taking the dps-crown from GWFs in PvE at least 50% the time. Yet they never do.
I agree that GWF stack feats need rework to be more on par with TR. Better yet would be buffing TR to GWF Destroyer dps-ability but then that makes addressing overall gameplay challenge more difficult. And I'd like GWF temp hp restored to their previous level. But restoring it reduces gameplay challenge so it's unlikely GWF will ever get them back. At the very least Sentinel tree needs some Dev love. And the rank 12 bonding stones on pets needs to be fixed too. It's just as bad an exploit as the LoL set was.
That is the same comback I get when I play my Sentinel GWF. It was player sentiment like that that ruined Sentinel as a viable tree.
I suspect it's not practical to go off and create another main for most people. Perfect World doesn't exactly have a reputation among gamers for having an affordable cash shop and for being non-grindy.
"There's no reason a GF should be able to DPS "
Conq description by the game it self: (from in game Conq tooltip)
"The Conqueror wields weapons with Skill and Mastery.
Dealing Heave damage to foes,with enhanced damage dealing powers,Criticals and Combat Advantage"
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Before you participate in a nerf thread ,made by sworn enemies of Gf community ("let the nerf crusade begin!" Sharpedge pm to me) and make assumptions what a Gf should do,maybe you could check by your self that ,contrary to what 99% of Cw community believes,
GUARDIAN FIGHTER CLASS HAS A DPS TREE ,BY DEFINITION,CLEARLY .MADE BY THE DEVS THE FIRST DAY THIS GAME GOT OUT.
I will say something not to Urabask but generally:
Stop talking HAMSTER ,stop being ignorant,stop putting shoes to the Gf class,based on your experiences of the past games.
NW is not WoW ,stop this HAMSTER already.
The term "tank" "DPS" "healer" partially apply to NW.
All have a secondary ability as true followers of DnD traditions and rules.
GWF has an off tank path.
DC a DPS one.
TR a control/melee one (scoundrel)
HR trapper is a DPS/CC path.
etc...
Your favorite class ,CW,does not fit the stereotypes you want to apply to GFs and your WoW slugs.
Cw can heal,can DPS ,can control.All WAI.
But GFs??
"No they must abide to their role!!!They are tanks@@"
Stop for being hypocrites and two faced.Enough !,people.
here is a tank for you!
Hopefully we'll see more class balance changes posted soon, and we can begin another (hopefully healthy) debate on the issue.