This doesn't in any way help those who have paid out for VIP, what about the 5 months of VIP keys I have yet to get and all the bars I would of got from the lock boxes these open they are frankly completely worthless now given the chance of actually getting anything decent out of the lockboxes is practically nil. the trade bars were a consolation that could be saved up to buy a coalescent ward to upgrade an artefact or artefact weapon. Weapon and armor enchancement will be impossible to upgrade now due to the ludicrous 1% chance.
You nerf leadership talking about PC and Xbox needing to be the same, now you pull wards and rubies talking about PC & Xbox need to be diff. Babble on about exploits like you didn't knowingly copy and paiste them. Now try to use all this bs as a reason for your blatent cash grab. Talk bs how the zen market and trade bar vender can't have the same items but half of what was added is on both. All fashion a bunch of mounts artifacts and companions its a joke. Then there's the sad attempt of a bandaid that is free wards that no1 wants. Anything short of there being blood rubies for 60 trade bars BY DOUBLE REFINEMENT 2\18. Is a joke. Make it happen or my guild goes to smite
Cant complain to MS to get money back as allready got it refunded 6 months ago from MS due to false advertising and copying and pasting pc patch notes and treating us fairly. Alrhough i will still be logging a complaint to them as still unfair practice. If they had of done what was stated they would of got me spending again in order to support them but now for some steange reason i have seen the light and wont be spending a single penny. And i doubt they will win me back again due to lies and lack of communication.
well. for me since i have only ever had 3 coalesent wards ....this will be kinda helpful. i dont think ill ever bother starting another character to try to lvl now thou. too much time/money invested in the one and no way to make it competitive at lvl 70. thanks for the wards, maybe ill get a vorpal upgraded a bit and be a little more competitive with my guild mates now.
and maybe the trade bar gods will grace me so i can get enough for the thayan book of the dead and maybe a psuedodragon for fun. there is sadly nothing else in the new tradebar store that interests me, or that i need now...
(and why no weekend event at all now???? the zen sale is ok and all...but ive never seen that run on its own before...)
It is a complete joke that you are punishing legitimate players because they sell something on the Auction House and someone who has purchased 3rd party buys it. What exactly are you saying to your customers that the AH is completely unsafe to use? Then I see other players getting unbanned while others are still banned. What makes them special? Why not look into every case to see who is actually guilty and to see who is not. It is not okay to punish a innocent person just bc someone else bought 3rd party. No where in your terms of service does it say if you sell a legitimate item on the AH for a reasonable price that you can be banned if someone who has purchased 3rd party buys your item.
Lol this whole issue is getting so out of hand. The only thing the devs could do at the moment is really say
1) Ok guys the tradebars will be put next maintenance at 75 bars 2) We messed up, here is the free gift as part of our excuses 3) Double AD will be put back along double refinement next week 4) Please accept our sincere apologies for such a bad business decision, we promise it won't happen again
This is the only outcome that will satisfy every player on the game and forgive the people in charge.
Also somebody posted this on a NW facebook group
They should just add a reward cw to one of the weekly quests that's bound so we all can get one a week
That would be a great solution, CW should NOT be an item you need to put money on, its a nessessary item in the process of leveling up your character.
Lol for months we are told C wards will be 75 bars. People buy keys to open boxes to get the bars. Now they tell us its not happening and that they goofed. BS. They knew what they we were doing this isnt the first time PW has screwed over the player base or completely destroyed a games economy (its coming) just to make more money. I officially quit if i dont see the CW for 75. My.money will go elsewhere. DIVISION is almost here thank you very much.
If having wards are so detrimental to the economy (which I have a hard time believing) them make them available for a limited time. Since everybody was given the expectation from you guys make them and rubies available for a week at the stated discount rate and bound to account then inform everyone they will be removed at the end of the week. It would be a limited effect on the economy and everyone wins....is that so hard
Well thanks for making char improvement nearly impossible all in one foul swoop. Looking for something new to play now . Impossible is not fun also I don't see how you would have the time to write the code to change but not the time to write a small post about it sounds like a load to me
I'm at a loss. We're supposed to be satisfied with a short term solution instead of making this right? The wards need to go back in the store. Otherwise, be up front and charge for the game. At this point our options are limited other than to not play/support NW which also affects friendships forged through this game. But corporations are in the business of bottom line. That's sad but not unexpected.
I won't spend another penny on this game It cost a fortune.... The only thing that was good was the col wards when you roll alot of box's.... So they have killed the game
I see some arguments that we won't be able to afford to upgrade stuff without wards in the trade bar merchant. I don't understand why people think the wards from the trade bar merchant even at a reduced price are a good deal. From what I have seen, the average drop rate of the trade bars is about 4-5 per lockbox, and opening boxes costs zen in the form of keys, if you have to open about 15 boxes (give or take) to get 75 trade bars the cost is actually more zen than buying the ward from the zen market.
the boxes have other stuff in them. sometimes it's junk often it's either resellable or useful for upgrading other things. the bars were a failsafe for many of us. even if the box was junk it's contributing to a coal ward. so it's not more expensive. it's bonus money.
Why do you keep deleting posts that refer to a lawsuit and refunds? I will be talking to Microsoft about this. They don't like you guys very much right now.
I'm in the minority, but I get why this is being done. Can't say I'm thrilled about it, but I understand it.
However, $10 per coal ward going forward is way too far out of wack. We should be able to get something like a 5-pack for $10 at least, considering how necessary they are to ranking up anything. Either that or that 1% chance of success needs to change to 25%-30%. Or failing that, scale up the enchantments already on sale in the trade bar house from rank 7's up to 10 or so (even with scaling trade bar prices). I also like the idea someone mentioned earlier about adding wards to tradeskills (even if it's a slow, once a week process). Hey, use this opportunity to make leadership worth something again.
Every new artifact or new piece of artifact equipment we get going forward starts out at green (unless you're lucky and pull something out of a lockbox). That's $30 just to get each artifact item to Legendary ($40 to mythic for artifacts themselves) multiplied by two weapons, a neck, belt, and 4 artifacts. And that's before you even start talking about enchantments or runestones (at 12 ranks multiplied by however many slots you have on your character/companion). This completely kills the free to play concept because you NEED coal wards to refine anything worthwhile, and the only real way to access them in game is at $10 a pop (or a large chunk of AD that the Xbox economy doesn't have).
You've got to see that the current price structure is way too much. Maybe they were going to be too easy for us to get with the new trade bar store, but this has swung the pendulum way too far in the other direction. It's essentially cutting off everyone except for the biggest spenders, because no one is going to attempt a rank up without any kind of security on a 1% chance to succeed for minimal stat gain, and no one is going to pay $10 a pop to rank up one enchantment one time.
Unless you find some way to fix the lack of AD in the Xbox economy, no one will be converting to zen, and no one will be able to afford any enchantments over rank 7 (which you can buy in the trade bar house now). This isn't going to work.
this this a thousand times this.
(although as a FYI preswards do work for artifacts. I have three orange and one blue and never once used a coal on them. )
but all this does it makes it so the haves have more and the havenots have nothing. this isn't going to help our economy at all. it's a really HAMSTER move on their part. I hope they man up and fix it.
Yep, done. Not even close to satisfied with this response. You guys lured people in with trade bars and the trade bar store changes. The biggest of which were the blood rubies and coal wards. This game is going to crash and burn, and you deserve every bit of it.
yeap...they can't deliver what they promise as prior of the underdark release they promise that coal wards and rubies is going to b available at the trade bar store. the worst thing of all is for those honest individual that spend thousands of hours playing this game and abide by the rules for the devs to screw them over and crash their dreams of making their gear and artifact to mythic because the devs decided to use the cheapest strategy which is bait n switch and just use a very lousy reason to justify their decision not to put the coal wards n blood rubies on the trade bar store.
Yep, done. Not even close to satisfied with this response. You guys lured people in with trade bars and the trade bar store changes. The biggest of which were the blood rubies and coal wards. This game is going to crash and burn, and you deserve every bit of it.
yeap...they can't deliver what they promise as prior of the underdark release they promise that coal wards and rubies is going to b available at the trade bar store. the worst thing of all is for those honest individual that spend thousands of hours playing this game and abide by the rules for the devs to screw them over and crash their dreams of making their gear and artifact to mythic because the devs decided to use the cheapest strategy which is bait n switch and just use a very lousy reason to justify their decision not to put the coal wards n blood rubies on the trade bar store.
I have to agree. I was going to use this to get to legendary as well for the 1st time on my main after 1000's of hours played. I'm very sad that I will never get to catch up to the people who farmed spell plague or the people who bought 3rd party. It makes pvp unplayable and the rest of the game is just getting stale without the old dungeons. Underdark is ok but it is easy and the rewards are not very good.
The truth: A lot o of people selled they enchants, rune, mounts and companions to get ready to this mod, if blood ruby and coal became cheap, they could make they enchant/rune again and buy mount and companion. and save some AD to do other things. So there's a lot of AD in game, and this is a great problem for "economy" --- nobody buy zen with real money. Whats is the plan? Make user spend that great amount of AD on Zen market, buying coal and ward to sell or trade in game. this makes AD per zen go UP, and new players will think: it worth buy zen with real money,! and old players will spend they ad reserve. A believe they can put coal and ruby, on trade in a near future.
A: I believe your apology is not genuine or written in good faith. You both intended to hide the change due to the marketing bait and switch, and then edit your blog to cover your actions!
B: The removal of the Wards and Rubies from the store looks more like punishment than anything due to the amount for t-bars that have been acquired in the last month through 3rd party AD sales that went into buying keys. So your punishing everyone for it!
C: You claim the wards can be exploited, but Wards through T-bar store were/and should be account bound. If the Wards and Rubies can be exploited, then why wasn't the T-bar store on PC changed as well? Again it looks like your punishing everyone for people stocking up on T-bars!
You never addressed the final part to your bait and switch! Why was 2xAD, Enchants and XP removed in favor for 2xRP? That is as obvious as last time when you dropped Gmops after 2xRP last time, but you were sorry about that too right.lol
Do you really think we're that stupid to believe anything you say anymore? -----------------
HOW TO FIX THE ECONOMY (and fight the 3rd party sellers)
1: Remove Zen from the game.
2: Make AD the one currency, Sell it in the market place for $10>15 per million.
3: Lower your prices for items across the board, you will make more money long term.
4: People are less likely to go out of game to purchase items if they were worth less in real money terms.
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While I'm going to thankyou for the gift of wards and other things, I'd rather you put the wards back in the market.
How embarrassing! 2 days to think it over and your response lacks any real meat/metrics...and it doesn't address the events that were cancelled (for which we had planned) ... I'm embarrassed for you guys, I'm embarrassed for wotc, and most off all I'm embarrassed in myself for caring so much about a game...
For the rest out there, while it's a free to play game, it's not free to make. Those of us who wish to pay do so because we can and we don't mind showing our appreciation for a product we enjoy. Ultimately everyone needs to decide what is right for them. Will that decision have an impact on pwe? Or the game? Perhaps, perhaps not. If enough people complain, quit, or boycott it might but chances are you are the vocal minority.
Enough time and evidence has been presented that shows pwe doesn't really value player feedback nor care about the social contract they have with us. if that bothers you, then you need to ask why? It's not like they are going to change, so perhaps it is you that needs to change...
Personally I've spent a good deal of money on the game. Just like I would for any hobby I enjoy. As of right now I need to determine if that hobby is worth spending more on and I'm undecided as of now. This has left a bad taste in my mouth and I can say I won't be purchasing zen this weekend despite the fact that I normally do on weekends like this.
After reading up on this its not an ideal situation the NW devs have got themselves into! Why not just bring back what they originally offered even if it was just for a few weeks so that peeps who bought boxes etc could get what they "Paid" For, then take them back out? OR why not just leave them in and make the game better to play than what this situation is causing? The game doesnt have to be a "Pay to play" Fest which its sadly seems to be becoming more and more?
Anyway.......................
I'm doing a giveaway soon to win some AD Also thinking about doing a mass giveaway to end my time with NW but will wait for the AD to drop again before thinking about doing this.
They looks like want to see us quit, take off most of dungeons, keep teh same 2 maps of pvp, and now THEY LIE! this is not a comunication mistake, the have time to chage information on web site. They annouce, for a long time, everybode believes and get ready to changes, at last sacond they change their mind; please.... You arc/criptc LIE TO US!
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Weapon and armor enchancement will be impossible to upgrade now due to the ludicrous 1% chance.
If they had of done what was stated they would of got me spending again in order to support them but now for some steange reason i have seen the light and wont be spending a single penny. And i doubt they will win me back again due to lies and lack of communication.
thanks for the wards, maybe ill get a vorpal upgraded a bit and be a little more competitive with my guild mates now.
and maybe the trade bar gods will grace me so i can get enough for the thayan book of the dead and maybe a psuedodragon for fun.
there is sadly nothing else in the new tradebar store that interests me, or that i need now...
(and why no weekend event at all now???? the zen sale is ok and all...but ive never seen that run on its own before...)
1) Ok guys the tradebars will be put next maintenance at 75 bars
2) We messed up, here is the free gift as part of our excuses
3) Double AD will be put back along double refinement next week
4) Please accept our sincere apologies for such a bad business decision, we promise it won't happen again
This is the only outcome that will satisfy every player on the game and forgive the people in charge.
Also somebody posted this on a NW facebook group
They should just add a reward cw to one of the weekly quests that's bound so we all can get one a week
That would be a great solution, CW should NOT be an item you need to put money on, its a nessessary item in the process of leveling up your character.
Shut up your clueless
At this point our options are limited other than to not play/support NW which also affects friendships forged through this game. But corporations are in the business of bottom line. That's sad but not unexpected.
It cost a fortune.... The only thing that was good was the col wards when you roll alot of box's.... So they have killed the game
The sounds of a meeeeliiion wallets slamming shut.
Seriously though, id rather a monthly subscription rather than this garbage
this this a thousand times this.
(although as a FYI preswards do work for artifacts. I have three orange and one blue and never once used a coal on them. )
but all this does it makes it so the haves have more and the havenots have nothing. this isn't going to help our economy at all. it's a really HAMSTER move on their part. I hope they man up and fix it.
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7thS1n---Trickster Rouge LV 70(perma-Stun build)
7ThH3AL3R-- Devoted Cleric LV 70 (Divine Oracle Haste/DPS build)
7ThM4G3-- Control Wizard
7ThW4rL0CK-- Scrooge Warlock
7THW4R--Great Weapon Fighter
A lot o of people selled they enchants, rune, mounts and companions to get ready to this mod, if blood ruby and coal became cheap, they could make they enchant/rune again and buy mount and companion. and save some AD to do other things.
So there's a lot of AD in game, and this is a great problem for "economy" --- nobody buy zen with real money.
Whats is the plan?
Make user spend that great amount of AD on Zen market, buying coal and ward to sell or trade in game.
this makes AD per zen go UP, and new players will think: it worth buy zen with real money,! and old players will spend they ad reserve.
A believe they can put coal and ruby, on trade in a near future.
A: I believe your apology is not genuine or written in good faith.
You both intended to hide the change due to the marketing bait and switch, and then edit your blog to cover your actions!
B: The removal of the Wards and Rubies from the store looks more like punishment than anything due to the amount for t-bars that have been acquired in the last month through 3rd party AD sales that went into buying keys.
So your punishing everyone for it!
C: You claim the wards can be exploited, but Wards through T-bar store were/and should be account bound.
If the Wards and Rubies can be exploited, then why wasn't the T-bar store on PC changed as well?
Again it looks like your punishing everyone for people stocking up on T-bars!
Why was 2xAD, Enchants and XP removed in favor for 2xRP?
That is as obvious as last time when you dropped Gmops after 2xRP last time, but you were sorry about that too right.lol
Do you really think we're that stupid to believe anything you say anymore?
-----------------
HOW TO FIX THE ECONOMY (and fight the 3rd party sellers)
1: Remove Zen from the game.
2: Make AD the one currency, Sell it in the market place for $10>15 per million.
3: Lower your prices for items across the board, you will make more money long term.
4: People are less likely to go out of game to purchase items if they were worth less in real money terms.
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While I'm going to thankyou for the gift of wards and other things, I'd rather you put the wards back in the market.
TY
For the rest out there, while it's a free to play game, it's not free to make. Those of us who wish to pay do so because we can and we don't mind showing our appreciation for a product we enjoy. Ultimately everyone needs to decide what is right for them. Will that decision have an impact on pwe? Or the game? Perhaps, perhaps not. If enough people complain, quit, or boycott it might but chances are you are the vocal minority.
Enough time and evidence has been presented that shows pwe doesn't really value player feedback nor care about the social contract they have with us. if that bothers you, then you need to ask why? It's not like they are going to change, so perhaps it is you that needs to change...
Personally I've spent a good deal of money on the game. Just like I would for any hobby I enjoy. As of right now I need to determine if that hobby is worth spending more on and I'm undecided as of now. This has left a bad taste in my mouth and I can say I won't be purchasing zen this weekend despite the fact that I normally do on weekends like this.
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Anyway.......................
I'm doing a giveaway soon to win some AD
https://youtube.com/channel/UCHpxPsGP_kfPXaW622qSXyA
THEY LIE!
this is not a comunication mistake, the have time to chage information on web site.
They annouce, for a long time, everybode believes and get ready to changes, at last sacond they change their mind;
please.... You arc/criptc LIE TO US!
GG neverwinter nevermore!