So the conclusion is a SW can facetank a BiS GWF and its OKAY. And lost 3 1on1 and won 3 VS a full offence GF. And its unbalanced?
No, I am saying a "DEFENSE" stacked "BIS" Warlock, Control Wizard, Trickster Rogue and anyone else that can manage to get 15k Defense, 155k hitpoints, 30% Deflect chance, 105% RI and 20k power in PvP gear (Like I have) can get one shotted by a 3.6 IL GF Offensive specced GF, who is still more tankier than I am, then yeah, there is a problem.
I have had 30k power and 60% crit in PvP before and I have never been able to one shot anyone as a "STRIKER" class (Which Warlocks are not), if I could, then I probably would not have made this post.
Read between the lines, friend.
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I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
So the conclusion is a SW can facetank a BiS GWF and its OKAY. And lost 3 1on1 and won 3 VS a full offence GF. And its unbalanced?
No, I am saying a "DEFENSE" stacked "BIS" Warlock, Control Wizard, Trickster Rogue and anyone else that can manage to get 15k Defense, 155k hitpoints, 30% Deflect chance, 105% RI and 20k power in PvP gear (Like I have) can get one shotted by a 3.6 IL GF Offensive specced GF, who is still more tankier than I am, then yeah, there is a problem.
I have had 30k power and 60% crit in PvP before and I have never been able to one shot anyone as a "STRIKER" class (Which Warlocks are not), if I could, then I probably would not have made this post.
Read between the lines, friend.
that´s the issue of this thread and that´s the problem in DOM facing a GF he is 99% protected by his shield, casting his cascade of doom using animation-cancelling having 3times faster animations than a warlock with much more burst.... you have a problem catching him the one moment he casts ITF (also canceled)
I run temptation atm since I do not have these stats having somthing about 12k arp and 15k power, 25% deflect with sparks up, 2600tenacity, 11k defense (twisted set+defense ring up to 14k+) and 116k HP I can´t stand 100k anvils that way and have to kite them, no way to factank anyone that way but what I did not understand, why facing them with two PVE set´s? that´s a big disadvantage imo If i could I would spend in PVP rings and push my teneacity >3k another point ..having SH boons active I am not sure if it´s benefitial using arp > power only reaching 12k arp by that, i have 106 RI , but GF´s got much higher ammounts of DR, i doubt getting them near cap by that, so power would be better that way? arp boon works vs hunter, CW, TR etc. but vs. GF/OP/DC (GWF)? not sure about that
vs GWF it works being temptation and on same level I beat them most time by outrunning them, except these guys with that ?broken? selfheal I meat sometimes on a higher level I meat chars having 20k arp...no way, they have to cough once or cast one dagger that crits..50k damage
So much stupidity here, its like saying i am a prot spec GF but i cant kill anyone! TT Maybe u guy need to look at what the good SWs are doing and copy, cus i bet your builds isnt as great as u may think. How come a CW has problem with SWs, and GWF and GFs when we talk about equal gear and skills?
You guys just rant and rant and somehow i never see the good ones ranting in here, wounder why?
So much stupidity here, its like saying i am a prot spec GF but i cant kill anyone! TT Maybe u guy need to look at what the good SWs are doing and copy, cus i bet your builds isnt as great as u may think. How come a CW has problem with SWs, and GWF and GFs when we talk about equal gear and skills?
You guys just rant and rant and somehow i never see the good ones ranting in here, wounder why?
you misunderstood things, I am very pleased about my actual build and I do not want buffs, no all what this thread is about is your class , and in case you go DOM just ask anyone what he thinks about the actual situation in PVP facing GF´s in DOM, you will hear one answer in most cases the reason why you meat GWF and warlock in here is the lack of mitigation vs that kind of burtsdamage so hard to solve and easily to overdo this problem by buffing anyone
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
No one rotation here...
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 84368 (175261) Physical Damage to you with Bull Charge. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 10278 (20856) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance. [Combat (Self)] Obi deals 242 (280) Psychic Damage to you with Feytouched Weapon. [Combat (Self)] Obi deals 1264 (8867) Physical Damage to you with Jagged Blades. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 263123 (533937) Physical Damage to you with Anvil of Doom. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 11212 (22751) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance.
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 84368 (175261) Physical Damage to you with Bull Charge. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 10278 (20856) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance. [Combat (Self)] Obi deals 242 (280) Psychic Damage to you with Feytouched Weapon. [Combat (Self)] Obi deals 1264 (8867) Physical Damage to you with Jagged Blades. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 263123 (533937) Physical Damage to you with Anvil of Doom. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 11212 (22751) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance.
Id love to see your gear... So sick of all that want GFs nerfed, but sure nerf it and still die like turds. Dsnt matter, this game is dead as disco anyhow.
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 84368 (175261) Physical Damage to you with Bull Charge. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 10278 (20856) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance. [Combat (Self)] Obi deals 242 (280) Psychic Damage to you with Feytouched Weapon. [Combat (Self)] Obi deals 1264 (8867) Physical Damage to you with Jagged Blades. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 263123 (533937) Physical Damage to you with Anvil of Doom. [Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 11212 (22751) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance.
Id love to see your gear... So sick of all that want GFs nerfed, but sure nerf it and still die like turds. Dsnt matter, this game is dead as disco anyhow.
My apologies for being undergeared and built like a paper, I guess we all aren't as geared as you bro @revolverjesus1. As you requested, my gear is below
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There's no longer a need for the this picture as he saw my toon already. BTW @revolverjesus1, you are right, I am from [.midnight.]. What guild are you from? Are you ashamed to not say? It's your turn to show your gear or are you afraid/ashamed as well. Data caught your tongue perhaps? If you want to see, pst me @seventhpillar, I ain't ashamed.
Well your stats looks wierd af. But anyway, no not everyone can be like me :P And u play in midnight, huehueuehe
So you ask for gear and I showed you. Guess who's in denial? Also, what does being in my guild have to do with anything. My stats look weird? You are a funny man. Why don't you show me your toon. Perhaps you are not geared or built as the rest that's why you think it's not possible. This attitude pretty much shows anything you post has no bearing. Yes, not everyone is in denial like you.
Well your stats looks wierd af. But anyway, no not everyone can be like me :P And u play in midnight, huehueuehe
So you ask for gear and I showed you. Guess who's in denial? Also, what does being in my guild have to do with anything. My stats look weird? You are a funny man. Why don't you show me your toon. Perhaps you are not geared or built as the rest that's why you think it's not possible. This attitude pretty much shows anything you post has no bearing. Yes, not everyone is in denial like you.
Cus ur guild is HAMSTER in general. And your stats dsnt make sense for a TR imo. Well i do pretty decent in pvp:) What denial? Yes a GF hits hard as a truck, but complaining as a TR u clearly are doing something wrong. Its just a l2p issue, TRs are spoild these days and think they can faceroll any class just like mod 6. Step up your game "Bro"
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
Well your stats looks wierd af. But anyway, no not everyone can be like me :P And u play in midnight, huehueuehe
So you ask for gear and I showed you. Guess who's in denial? Also, what does being in my guild have to do with anything. My stats look weird? You are a funny man. Why don't you show me your toon. Perhaps you are not geared or built as the rest that's why you think it's not possible. This attitude pretty much shows anything you post has no bearing. Yes, not everyone is in denial like you.
Cus ur guild is HAMSTER in general. And your stats dsnt make sense for a TR imo. Well i do pretty decent in pvp:) What denial? Yes a GF hits hard as a truck, but complaining as a TR u clearly are doing something wrong. Its just a l2p issue, TRs are spoild these days and think they can faceroll any class just like mod 6. Step up your game "Bro"
LOL... LOL... Please are you ashamed to show yourself and hiding on this forum user? I ain't. If you think my guild is HAMSTER in general, what guild you from? Or perhaps you don't want to reveal because you have things to hide. I hit you with truth data and all you can say is L2P? Look me up in game @seventhpillar, we can IWD, since I am pretty crappy you know and I have a lot of l2p issues that you may be able to help me.
Also it looks like you are also now a TR specialist too and critizing how I chose my stats. Perhaps you know my gameplay as well.
Again, until then, none of your post or future post will hold any bearing until you brings facts instead of just blatantly being belligerent against others presenting data.
Well revolverjesus1 is a good TR, I think he even plays it better than his GF.
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
So going back to topic, what does that have to do with the data presented? Perhaps the hidden agenda of down playing it rather than agree to the fact? Funny. He asked me to see my gear, I delivered. I asked him, but didn't but tells me to L2P instead and even calls my guild HAMSTER. Very respectable player eh? Fact is fact, even with good gear, the one rotation damage from a so called non striker is way too much. Period.
Well revolverjesus1 is a good TR, I think he even plays it better than his GF.
can´t be a TR/GF... I thought he is a warlock because there is so much input coming from him towards my class and generally towards the situation we got atm... The reason why he is allways offending? He takes things very personal i bet. To get things clear: It´s not about you , it´s about your class.
Well revolverjesus1 is a good TR, I think he even plays it better than his GF.
can´t be a TR/GF... I thought he is a warlock because there is so much input coming from him towards my class and generally towards the situation we got atm... The reason why he is allways offending? He takes things very personal i bet. To get things clear: It´s not about you , it´s about your class.
No the thing is i play all chars, 4 at BiS lvl rest is decent. I am just so tired of ppl ,crying aout nerf this nerf that all the time. GFs are a bit to much i know, but if we look to all classes atm i feel everyone is broken, just more or less. TRs hanging on a node with a DC spaming dailys is hard to counter for example. And a TR complains about a GF is funny imo cus if u dont know how to counter it i will say it again, its a l2p issue. i know @setill does it well.
And no i dont take things personal, but when players with suboptimal builds ranting on forums to get other classes nerfed i am getting fedup.
This thread and the other 'QQ nerf GF thread' where both started by 2 warlocks with pve gear and pve build. And then these warlocks try to compare me with themself. It does not works like that. If you want to compare me you will have to compare with other best at their class.
And no i dont take things personal, but when players with suboptimal builds ranting on forums to get other classes nerfed i am getting fedup.
You can always give us all your AD and all your enchants and allow us to get into your IL too. n_n
Hehe i wasted most of my last AD on lockboxes tbh :P Its not about IL i know a 3k IL SW cant compete with a 4.2K GF. But as primaxal is saying, lower geard SWs in sub builds with pve gear, some guys dsnt understand how important tenacity is. (even tho i hate the idea of tenacity gear) Last night i 1 shot a BiS CW with bullcharge but he had a big 0 to tenacity. I could do the same with my TR. If i run into a BiS CW that is pvp speced with high tenacity my bullcharge do 20k ish. And not 120K... Thing is SWs on same IL as a GF has a 50 - 50 chance to win imo. I dont 1-rotate them with 150K+ HP and tehy heal back to full pretty fast. Ask Fernu, froggy, Sierra or Lantis, they know how to build a good sw
This thread and the other 'QQ nerf GF thread' where both started by 2 warlocks with pve gear and pve build. And then these warlocks try to compare me with themself. It does not works like that. If you want to compare me you will have to compare with other best at their class.
Kymos is BIS warlock, full PVP set last time I met him, he switches obviously 2xPVE Set´s for some reason, but as far as I know he got all that stuff at 4,2k IL my char is 3xlionsmane+1 burning all broken c.rap needed T fey, pure negation, axebeak, lolset etc. and about your knowledge abuot warlock and the optimal build, lets see You go first tell me wich is the setup you speak of? What do all that good warlocks run atm, wich build focussed on which stats? ...no stop not needed since the builds differ from each other very much, you have to accept that there is a mainstream build/tree, but every warlock you name is running different stats, one is completely focussed on Lifesteal and speed, howling set etc, next one is focussed on deflect but has no arp, next one ..no deflect but lots of arp an lots of DR they differ a lot fyi
compared to GF...power 20k+, rp 15k+, DR 10k+ go "stompmode" activated, "press button 1+2+3" (but never 2+3+1)
PS: I met lots of warlocks in DOM and from all named I can assure that at first spot Foggy is to name, followed by Kymos, met him 2-3 times, both BIS Fernuu plays a very offensive build and does good all of them doesn´t run the same build I can´t take player into account who run 24/7 side by side with an undying DC or OP going premade we all know very well that these two classes prevent every match from being objective towards the performance of a build or class, sure you never gonna die that way
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I have had 30k power and 60% crit in PvP before and I have never been able to one shot anyone as a "STRIKER" class (Which Warlocks are not), if I could, then I probably would not have made this post.
Read between the lines, friend.
-Kymos
facing a GF he is 99% protected by his shield, casting his cascade of doom using animation-cancelling having 3times faster animations than a warlock with much more burst.... you have a problem catching him the one moment he casts ITF (also canceled)
I run temptation atm since I do not have these stats having somthing about 12k arp and 15k power, 25% deflect with sparks up, 2600tenacity, 11k defense (twisted set+defense ring up to 14k+) and 116k HP I can´t stand 100k anvils that way and have to kite them, no way to factank anyone that way
but what I did not understand, why facing them with two PVE set´s? that´s a big disadvantage imo
If i could I would spend in PVP rings and push my teneacity >3k
another point ..having SH boons active I am not sure if it´s benefitial using arp > power only reaching 12k arp by that, i have 106 RI , but GF´s got much higher ammounts of DR, i doubt getting them near cap by that, so power would be better that way?
arp boon works vs hunter, CW, TR etc. but vs. GF/OP/DC (GWF)? not sure about that
vs GWF it works being temptation and on same level I beat them most time by outrunning them, except these guys with that ?broken? selfheal I meat sometimes
on a higher level I meat chars having 20k arp...no way, they have to cough once or cast one dagger that crits..50k damage
You guys just rant and rant and somehow i never see the good ones ranting in here, wounder why?
all what this thread is about is your class , and in case you go DOM just ask anyone what he thinks about the actual situation in PVP facing GF´s in DOM, you will hear one answer in most cases
the reason why you meat GWF and warlock in here is the lack of mitigation vs that kind of burtsdamage
so hard to solve and easily to overdo this problem by buffing anyone
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 84368 (175261) Physical Damage to you with Bull Charge.
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 10278 (20856) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance.
[Combat (Self)] Obi deals 242 (280) Psychic Damage to you with Feytouched Weapon.
[Combat (Self)] Obi deals 1264 (8867) Physical Damage to you with Jagged Blades.
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 263123 (533937) Physical Damage to you with Anvil of Doom.
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Obi deals 11212 (22751) Physical Damage to you with Lostmauth's Vengeance.
So sick of all that want GFs nerfed, but sure nerf it and still die like turds. Dsnt matter, this game is dead as disco anyhow.
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There's no longer a need for the this picture as he saw my toon already. BTW @revolverjesus1, you are right, I am from [.midnight.]. What guild are you from? Are you ashamed to not say? It's your turn to show your gear or are you afraid/ashamed as well. Data caught your tongue perhaps? If you want to see, pst me @seventhpillar, I ain't ashamed.
Also it looks like you are also now a TR specialist too and critizing how I chose my stats. Perhaps you know my gameplay as well.
Again, until then, none of your post or future post will hold any bearing until you brings facts instead of just blatantly being belligerent against others presenting data.
The reason why he is allways offending? He takes things very personal i bet.
To get things clear: It´s not about you , it´s about your class.
GFs are a bit to much i know, but if we look to all classes atm i feel everyone is broken, just more or less. TRs hanging on a node with a DC spaming dailys is hard to counter for example. And a TR complains about a GF is funny imo cus if u dont know how to counter it i will say it again, its a l2p issue. i know @setill does it well.
And no i dont take things personal, but when players with suboptimal builds ranting on forums to get other classes nerfed i am getting fedup.
But as primaxal is saying, lower geard SWs in sub builds with pve gear, some guys dsnt understand how important tenacity is. (even tho i hate the idea of tenacity gear) Last night i 1 shot a BiS CW with bullcharge but he had a big 0 to tenacity. I could do the same with my TR. If i run into a BiS CW that is pvp speced with high tenacity my bullcharge do 20k ish. And not 120K...
Thing is SWs on same IL as a GF has a 50 - 50 chance to win imo. I dont 1-rotate them with 150K+ HP and tehy heal back to full pretty fast. Ask Fernu, froggy, Sierra or Lantis, they know how to build a good sw
Well most gf's can't win anymore when they hit 70, so they start using ambush+kc
my char is 3xlionsmane+1 burning all broken c.rap needed T fey, pure negation, axebeak, lolset etc.
and about your knowledge abuot warlock and the optimal build, lets see
You go first tell me wich is the setup you speak of?
What do all that good warlocks run atm, wich build focussed on which stats?
...no stop not needed since the builds differ from each other very much, you have to accept that there is a mainstream build/tree, but every warlock you name is running different stats, one is completely focussed on Lifesteal and speed, howling set etc, next one is focussed on deflect but has no arp, next one ..no deflect but lots of arp an lots of DR
they differ a lot fyi
compared to GF...power 20k+, rp 15k+, DR 10k+ go "stompmode" activated, "press button 1+2+3" (but never 2+3+1)
PS: I met lots of warlocks in DOM and from all named I can assure that at first spot Foggy is to name, followed by Kymos, met him 2-3 times, both BIS
Fernuu plays a very offensive build and does good
all of them doesn´t run the same build
I can´t take player into account who run 24/7 side by side with an undying DC or OP going premade
we all know very well that these two classes prevent every match from being objective towards the performance of a build or class, sure you never gonna die that way