Anvil dbl damage proc at 100% health?

gomok72

Okay, I just left a PvP match where I checked combat logs and a non best in slot GF was hitting me for 155k damage "consistantly" from 100% health (dbl proc), and Anvil bonus proc is supose to be at 40% health. Now, I know that they hit pretty hard in PvP, but something is not right. I understand damage bonus damage in pvp especially at 35k power, your going to be hit very hard by these types of individuals but something is very fishy with this (I smell bugged ability).

I'm just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this with GF class and now Paladins that are bursting for 60-70k health through full tenacity gear and 37% damage reduction.

Also, I wanted to mention, these guys also had less than 60% armor penetration with the 35k power.

santralafax

I'm not sure with the GF, they always hit pretty hard. But I've seen a couple of Paladins lately that do very high burst damage, similar to a GFs Bull Charge. Never reviewed Paladin attacks, but this seems new.

veywiil

santralafax said:

I'm not sure with the GF, they always hit pretty hard. But I've seen a couple of Paladins lately that do very high burst damage, similar to a GFs Bull Charge. Never reviewed Paladin attacks, but this seems new.

Relentless avenger has like some monster base damage, Generally its a long range charge, and has the sort of shifting weight and turning into the left hand side, while the right hand side comes forward at the end of the animation. Hard to explain, could be that though.

zeusom

GF went from the weakest damage class to the strongest damage class overnight right around mod6 launch and they overdid it for sure. Can 1shot or 1rotate through full 3600 tenacity, 150k+ HP, etc no problem. Stun locks and 50-100k Anvil, Bullsharge, daily no problem your dead. The Oghmas does not work for their stunlock combo by the way. Now add stealth ring. Seeing the picture?

Next time you see a GF with orange weapon, just look at their weapon damage tooltip compared to yours. LOL/

mamalion1234

santralafax said:

I'm not sure with the GF, they always hit pretty hard. But I've seen a couple of Paladins lately that do very high burst damage, similar to a GFs Bull Charge. Never reviewed Paladin attacks, but this seems new.

the more hp has a paladin the harder he hit. aura of courage is the key+many hp.if he use and bane to same target the target takes 30% more damage and deal 30% less damage. if he use and circle of power then is another 30% increased damage.

spqwn

It's not a double damage proc. Below 50%, Anvil can hit for 250k+
Also, GFs don't really need that much armor pen since they have mark.
They are just broken and we have to deal with it.

vordayn

Class balance by the Neverwinter Devs: 'balance' is optional. I remember when the patch notes said something like "GF: 50% increase across the board". I mean ... who comes up with these values? On what basis? And are they even tested?

primaxal1

they said 20%.

Also i think HR/CW/SW need the same thing, just 20-25% overall dps increase.

Nerfing gwf/gf/tr dmg so noone ever dies in pvp, pally's and dc's becoming even more immortal..zzz.. (and ppl would also be angry because their class gets nerfed => quit game)

Just buff the underperfroming classes and everyone is happy? Atleast that my opinion..

rayrdan

[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! GEOX deals 73553 (128895) Physical Damage to you with Bull Charge

everything is ok right

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rayrdan

just into the fray, we were 2 vs 1 when a random bullcharge hit me

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vordayn

primaxal1 said:

they said 20%.

Also i think HR/CW/SW need the same thing, just 20-25% overall dps increase.

Nerfing gwf/gf/tr dmg so noone ever dies in pvp, pally's and dc's becoming even more immortal..zzz.. (and ppl would also be angry because their class gets nerfed => quit game)

Just buff the underperfroming classes and everyone is happy? Atleast that my opinion..

Ah yeah, you're correct. 20% across the board, and weapon damage increase by 50% (see: Elemental Evil Patch Notes).

At the time I was all for it, as GFs used to only be able to hold shield up and do paltry damage, in PvP and PvE. Now, good GFs are able to hold shield up to mitigate 80% damage, while dishing out incredible damage themselves when in range.

While GFs still need to do similar damage in PvE, in PvP things have gone overboard. A GFs 'one-rotation' is essentially unblockable, as when prone from Bull Charge, there is nothing much a player can do to deflect Anvil of Doom. Furthermore, squishy classes can't kite a GF indefinitely during PvP, as the point is to contest a node, not dance around it.

Buffing underperforming classes would be somewhat risky as well, by creating more uber-classes, and would not address the power creep.

It's really the Bullcharge and Anvil combo combined with the dps increase from the EE patch, and the fact they can turtle behind their shield, which makes the GF so lethal now. This combination is very difficult to avoid. Most classes don't have an answer to these mechanics.

sirrappro

rayrdan said:

[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! GEOX deals 73553 (128895) Physical Damage to you with Bull Charge

everything is ok right

lol lets not get started with knights challenge to

[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! DrussTheLegend deals 101155 (335007) Physical Damage to you with Bull Charge.

martianmnhunter

This thread doesn't provide any stats or evidence, we don't know the debuffs you had on you, we don't know what powers the GF used, we don't know if it was 1v1 etc'

You just say something and assume you are right and go along with it "they double proc, yes that's what it must be, lets go with it and make a thread!"

Next time come prepared with LOGS or VIDS to get your point across.

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rayrdan

without at least 30% dr it would have made 0 difference.
hr are (edit: not) suited to reach those levels of dr.
i run the typical hr , lifesteal, 145k hp, tenacity

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zibadawa

Geox, Druss, and Prim are the major sources of this frustration. I rarely care about any other GFs. It's just those 3 guys. The instant I fail to predict their bull charge and dodge it, I'm dead if I don't have ITC up to stop the prone (assuming it works on that, I kind of forget, since the combo is such ridiculousness and the definition of "control effects" is a bunch of nonsense). I've seen entire pvp matches decided by the presence of one of these guys, because they'll just show up out of nowhere and kill you instantly when you were soloing the rest of their team no problem. On at least one occasion I've been on their team and seen them lose because the other 3 members had 0 tenacity; and on much rare occasions I've actually killed them. But usually they just stand there, tanking while I slowly take down their hp, waiting until their ridiculous combo finally hits me and I die most pathetically.

pando83

Bubbledins/ BiS tank DCs can counter the "imbalanced" GF/GWF burst. A BiS HR should Forest ghost--->get behind their block and permaroot to death. And a good perma TR should stall them, to a lesser degree due to node limitations. So, while GWF/CW/SW vs GF are terrible matchups, other classes can counter them. Same goes for GWFs.

For example: got in a match with my HR alt. My team was more geared, we got a 3.6k GWF too. But i notice we start losing. Looking around i noticed that our GWF was stuck on enemy base (capped by them) being played around by their TR. So i jumped in a sticked to the TR, making him die everytime with my CC+GWF damage, leaving the GWF free to go fight on other nodes. In the end just that one move i made, changed the match, and we won quite easily.

Matchups are important, and moving your team mates, or yourself, across the battlefield to take the most out of the match, is important too. So you can stall a very high burst GF with said classes. Or go 2v1-3v1 focus on them to kill them fast. GFs do not perform well in 2v1-3v1 situations, unlike GWFs. So, if they have weak pug mates, you can just ignore them and focus the one-rotating GF.
Problem is, the ones you mentioned, except Prim who pugs often, usually run around with a full premade or half-premade of other BiS guild-mates/ allies. Which makes it irreleveant how strong they are, since it's the whole team that is formed to stomp pugs/ dispose of their PvP dailies fast.

zibadawa

pando83 said:

Matchups are important, and moving your team mates, or yourself, across the battlefield to take the most out of the match, is important too. So you can stall a very high burst GF with said classes. Or go 2v1-3v1 focus on them to kill them fast. GFs do not perform well in 2v1-3v1 situations, unlike GWFs. So, if they have weak pug mates, you can just ignore them and focus the one-rotating GF.
Problem is, the ones you mentioned, except Prim who pugs often, usually run around with a full premade or half-premade of other BiS guild-mates/ allies. Which makes it irreleveant how strong they are, since it's the whole team that is formed to stomp pugs/ dispose of their PvP dailies fast.

2v1 quickly becomes 1v1 quickly becomes 2 kills for the GF if he gets off a one-shot/one-rotate on one of his attackers. It's better than 1v1, which pretty much always results in my death.

And, yeah, those guys do tend to premake. Lately I've seen Druss bringing along a 3.5k+ stunlocking TR with him. Like they literally just follow each other around the entire arena. Their strategy basically being that the TR stuns a target so they can't dodge, and then Druss nuke-combos them. Highly effective, if lame from the perspective of it being overkill for either one of them to rely on another. But, as you also say, it's mostly to get their PvP daily stuff done with, so you don't see them around very often or for long. If you got whomped once by them then just doing something else for 10 minutes or so will usually mean your next match will be free of them.

schietindebux

zibadawa said:

pando83 said:

Matchups are important, and moving your team mates, or yourself, across the battlefield to take the most out of the match, is important too. So you can stall a very high burst GF with said classes. Or go 2v1-3v1 focus on them to kill them fast. GFs do not perform well in 2v1-3v1 situations, unlike GWFs. So, if they have weak pug mates, you can just ignore them and focus the one-rotating GF.
Problem is, the ones you mentioned, except Prim who pugs often, usually run around with a full premade or half-premade of other BiS guild-mates/ allies. Which makes it irreleveant how strong they are, since it's the whole team that is formed to stomp pugs/ dispose of their PvP dailies fast.

2v1 quickly becomes 1v1 quickly becomes 2 kills for the GF if he gets off a one-shot/one-rotate on one of his attackers. It's better than 1v1, which pretty much always results in my death.

And, yeah, those guys do tend to premake. Lately I've seen Druss bringing along a 3.5k+ stunlocking TR with him. Like they literally just follow each other around the entire arena. Their strategy basically being that the TR stuns a target so they can't dodge, and then Druss nuke-combos them. Highly effective, if lame from the perspective of it being overkill for either one of them to rely on another. But, as you also say, it's mostly to get their PvP daily stuff done with, so you don't see them around very often or for long. If you got whomped once by them then just doing something else for 10 minutes or so will usually mean your next match will be free of them.

there is not much you can do about that, but according to the done matches, it´s just more than one or two daily stomps
and according to the outcome of these matches, this disbalance is one of the major reasons why only few ppl queue atm.
taking a near BIS player being bursted in seconds is HAMSTER and destroyes PVP

Wheel-KC-ITF-crescendo-BC = "dead" sure it aquires some concentration to press the buttons in that order
Wheel - ITF - BC+Anvil also dead in no time, btw. BC and animation canceling is that possible? would not be surprised if

tbh same classes have similar experiences meating BIS GWF with 20k arp, playing naked that way
atm there is a disbalance between the tanky classes toward squishy classes imo, to name them GF/GWF/DC/OP

zibadawa

schietindebux said:

there is not much you can do about that, but according to the done matches, it´s just more than one or two daily stomps

Well, yeah, but it usually works for me. Possibly they just load up into one match and then while they're dominating that I load up into another one that's free of them.

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gomok72

martianmnhunter said:

This thread doesn't provide any stats or evidence, we don't know the debuffs you had on you, we don't know what powers the GF used, we don't know if it was 1v1 etc'

You just say something and assume you are right and go along with it "they double proc, yes that's what it must be, lets go with it and make a thread!"

Next time come prepared with LOGS or VIDS to get your point across.

Okay, let me say this, I did not have any debuffs on me outside of the go to weapon enchant he was using (T. Feytouch) I went through the logs and the only damage that was done to me was bull & Anvil. I inspected him and he had the usual superior pots on and general buffs from praying potions.
He did have an insane amount of power, that I could not really account for (Possibly power boon to stamina drain and Radiants that gave him 35k power along with Paladin buff.

Again, I don't get how this is even possible ingame, I have started to use stamina drains, due to this guy, just so I can compete in PvP as a BIS SW. Devs need to hurry up with this class blanket pass.

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schietindebux

gomok72 said:

martianmnhunter said:

This thread doesn't provide any stats or evidence, we don't know the debuffs you had on you, we don't know what powers the GF used, we don't know if it was 1v1 etc'

You just say something and assume you are right and go along with it "they double proc, yes that's what it must be, lets go with it and make a thread!"

Next time come prepared with LOGS or VIDS to get your point across.

Okay, let me say this, I did not have any debuffs on me outside of the go to weapon enchant he was using (T. Feytouch) I went through the logs and the only damage that was done to me was bull & Anvil. I inspected him and he had the usual superior pots on and general buffs from praying potions.
He did have an insane amount of power, that I could not really account for (Possibly power boon to stamina drain and Radiants that gave him 35k power along with Paladin buff.

Again, I don't get how this is even possible ingame, I have started to use stamina drains, due to this guy, just so I can compete in PvP as a BIS SW. Devs need to hurry up with this class blanket pass.

that power from GF like 35k is not uncommon infight , pot+selfbuff/ITF+ ring of brutality(+4k)...you get there in case your unbuffed power is about 22-24k
I saw a vid from a 3,3k GF onerotating a BIS warlock (4,2k+ 3,6k tenacity) 7 times in DOM , and that was probably the best Warlock ingame atm
-->wheel(+30%)-->KC(+50%)-->ITF(+50%)-->crescendo-->BC + some At wills in between
there is no prove or log needed since we all know what´s happening runnig PVP Dom and know these numbers

You can´t face a GF being a warlock, that´s sure, especially in case your stamina runs out...
imo there are two options, maximise stamina gain/movement being fury and optional get that howling set like Froggy, or try to zerg him down as temptation having near endless stamina and run speed kiting him all time, or use ambush to get behind his defence but that´s not very satisfying using a broken item...
since my arp is only 12k and my power 15k being 3k GS, I lose facing a skilled GF 3k+ 1vs 1, except some lucky punches here and there

vs GWF it´s also hard in some cases
3,5kGWF using drowened set + some LS are near undefeatable for me atm, too much selfheal and too less arp (in my case), even if they nearly don´t touch me all time, kiting them
3,5k GWF with 18k arp on top like xsayajinx1 are a nightmare , they only have to look in my direction , one wrong step and hasta la vista, too much burst on top of these high ammounts of arp
I saw fernuu, being potted to the nose, facetanking pimplantahoes on node and it worked, never saw any other warlock facetanking a GWF that way and I do not know what pimplas build was that time (arp?) since he did some weared experiments running from time to time having 180k HP

tbh I did not see one warlock having 18k arp+, GWF get´s arp by pushing constitution, having mark on top is an advantage.
Did anyone tested a high int build with 18k+ arp?
I am pretty sure the effect will be not that big since we do not get that much in return facing a class having 120% DR+ at full stacks and features like countless scares, unstoppable etc.
in the sum Gf/GWF have more defense, more burst and better synergy towards arp in their build
this is by sure hard to counter or equalize with any warlock atm
probably the optimal build has to be found but I am sure it has to be a high mobility one
I am gonna push my arp and my power heading towards 3,5k and will see what happens against 3,5k GWF, atm I lag in burst damage and the selfheal they provide by drowned set + other stuff is silly
I am pretty sure there is something broken about that selfheal, since watching a 3,3k GWF facing 3 other player laoding their s.hit on him, me 10 SoulsScorches with a very small effect, feels a bit strange...
This only can be answered by an open minded GWF in this forum, where disguising things is much more common

primaxal1

When i 1v1 fernu its actually a good fight, if i cant burst him he heals it up instantly, and eventually outsustains me and i die. Also froggy would never ever lose vs minimi without his ambush ring and kc.. so dont look at that.

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revovlerjesus1

primaxal1 said:

When i 1v1 fernu its actually a good fight, if i cant burst him he heals it up instantly, and eventually outsustains me and i die. Also froggy would never ever lose vs minimi without his ambush ring and kc.. so dont look at that.

Same here, i fought him 1on1 last night i think it was. Wasent rly paying attention, but didnt manage to 1-rotate him, he heal back to full and creeping death took care of the rest. Its usually a good fight, but i guess SWs are like GWFs only rly shine at Bis since its so many complains about how bad the SW perform.

gomok72

schietindebux said:

gomok72 said:

martianmnhunter said:

This thread doesn't provide any stats or evidence, we don't know the debuffs you had on you, we don't know what powers the GF used, we don't know if it was 1v1 etc'

You just say something and assume you are right and go along with it "they double proc, yes that's what it must be, lets go with it and make a thread!"

Next time come prepared with LOGS or VIDS to get your point across.

Okay, let me say this, I did not have any debuffs on me outside of the go to weapon enchant he was using (T. Feytouch) I went through the logs and the only damage that was done to me was bull & Anvil. I inspected him and he had the usual superior pots on and general buffs from praying potions.
He did have an insane amount of power, that I could not really account for (Possibly power boon to stamina drain and Radiants that gave him 35k power along with Paladin buff.

Again, I don't get how this is even possible ingame, I have started to use stamina drains, due to this guy, just so I can compete in PvP as a BIS SW. Devs need to hurry up with this class blanket pass.

that power from GF like 35k is not uncommon infight , pot+selfbuff/ITF+ ring of brutality(+4k)...you get there in case your unbuffed power is about 22-24k
I saw a vid from a 3,3k GF onerotating a BIS warlock (4,2k+ 3,6k tenacity) 7 times in DOM , and that was probably the best Warlock ingame atm
-->wheel(+30%)-->KC(+50%)-->ITF(+50%)-->crescendo-->BC + some At wills in between
there is no prove or log needed since we all know what´s happening runnig PVP Dom and know these numbers

You can´t face a GF being a warlock, that´s sure, especially in case your stamina runs out...
imo there are two options, maximise stamina gain/movement being fury and optional get that howling set like Froggy, or try to zerg him down as temptation having near endless stamina and run speed kiting him all time, or use ambush to get behind his defence but that´s not very satisfying using a broken item...
since my arp is only 12k and my power 15k being 3k GS, I lose facing a skilled GF 3k+ 1vs 1, except some lucky punches here and there

vs GWF it´s also hard in some cases
3,5kGWF using drowened set + some LS are near undefeatable for me atm, too much selfheal and too less arp (in my case), even if they nearly don´t touch me all time, kiting them
3,5k GWF with 18k arp on top like xsayajinx1 are a nightmare , they only have to look in my direction , one wrong step and hasta la vista, too much burst on top of these high ammounts of arp
I saw fernuu, being potted to the nose, facetanking pimplantahoes on node and it worked, never saw any other warlock facetanking a GWF that way and I do not know what pimplas build was that time (arp?) since he did some weared experiments running from time to time having 180k HP

tbh I did not see one warlock having 18k arp+, GWF get´s arp by pushing constitution, having mark on top is an advantage.
Did anyone tested a high int build with 18k+ arp?
I am pretty sure the effect will be not that big since we do not get that much in return facing a class having 120% DR+ at full stacks and features like countless scares, unstoppable etc.
in the sum Gf/GWF have more defense, more burst and better synergy towards arp in their build
this is by sure hard to counter or equalize with any warlock atm
probably the optimal build has to be found but I am sure it has to be a high mobility one
I am gonna push my arp and my power heading towards 3,5k and will see what happens against 3,5k GWF, atm I lag in burst damage and the selfheal they provide by drowned set + other stuff is silly
I am pretty sure there is something broken about that selfheal, since watching a 3,3k GWF facing 3 other player laoding their s.hit on him, me 10 SoulsScorches with a very small effect, feels a bit strange...
This only can be answered by an open minded GWF in this forum, where disguising things is much more common

Well, I facetank pimpalotofhoes as well and is very easy to do if you are all defensive Warlock. When I fought Prim I had a lot of stuff screwed up on, I had two pieces of PvE gear and didn't pot up, I did kill him 3 times but he globaled me 3 times as well in Dom flat 155k in two hits.

There aren't many Warlocks playing in this game at the top end of PvP and I can honestly say it is a hard road solo queing against premades (as I do 90% of the time). I again, even with two pieces of PvE gear on should not be hit for no 155k in two hits by any class in game.