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Am I breaking the ToS by buying items from bots?

romotheoneromotheone Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 729 Arc User
in General Discussion (PC)
I was browsing the Auction House today and saw "someone (most likely a legit player)" (/sarcasm) post rank 4 stacks for 1000 AD. About 30-40 of them. I used the opportunity to help out my guild's starving mimic and bought them all. Did I break the ToS by potentially supporting AD sellers?

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  • UnknownUnknown
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  • mmm1001mmm1001 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 497 Arc User
    I sell lots of R4s and I am not a BOT!!! Where I get them from is not your concern, but it is 100% legit.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    Well...please read this answer in it's entirety because there is a correct answer to your question and then there is the correct answer to what you intended to ask but did not ask. ;)

    The correct answer to your question:
    Yes, it is against the terms of service to buy from bots.

    The answer to your intended question:
    Just because there are flags that make you suspect a person is a bot does not mean they are a bot. You are free to report these suspicions through the in game report feature or a customer service ticket but those people may or may not in fact be violating any rules including but not limited to botting or the use of automated software. As such as long as you do not know a person is a bot then you are free to purchase from anybody.


    What is the difference? The only way you would know for sure a person is in fact a bot or is violating some other rule within the Terms of Service is by doing something such as using their websites and buying AD through third party vendors.


    People are free to ask for whatever value they want for items on the Auction House and you are free to buy from any player. Suspecting a person is a bot is not the same as knowing they are a bot and if you know they are a bot then you are probably directly violating the rule of buying AD from third party vendors.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,463 Arc User
    Damn! I thought Temple of Spider was busted by buying from bot. :wink:
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
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  • dsn1118dsn1118 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 682 Arc User
    mmm1001 said:

    I sell lots of R4s and I am not a BOT!!! Where I get them from is not your concern, but it is 100% legit.

    There is difference between normal players "lot" and botters normal amount.Normal players wont farm 1000 r4 in one day without bot army.
    You need 1 and half hours even if you got one r4 every 5 sec.Also it is not normal for a normal player to farm r4s 1,5 hrs a day for what?mere 10k
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    defiantone99 said:

    I really do not see an answer here. It seems it is required to search the AH for the highest priced items(because botters usually sell at the cheapest price) and double check the handles.

    Read my answer again...

    Those prices mean jack diddly squat.

    Buying from bots is against the rules. Buying off the AH is not. You can not know if somebody is a bot just from looking on the AH. You might think you can but you can not. All you can do is suspect. If you know for a fact the person is a bot then you have information you must have acquired from doing something else that is against the rules.
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  • dsn1118dsn1118 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 682 Arc User
    Cryptic should stop drops lower than r5s if they really want to fight with botters.I can bet my account that bot amount will be cut in half in a day.
  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    edited November 2015
    defiantone99 said:

    Go to the NW UNblogged web page. It has quite a list of botters. I check there every week.

    dsn1118 said:

    There is difference between normal players "lot" and botters normal amount.Normal players wont farm 1000 r4 in one day without bot army.

    These are suspected bots. They are not bots until proven by an internal investigation at which point such accounts would be banned.

    Player suspicions are not proof of botting. Just like the real world people are innocent until proven guilty by an official source.
    You can not know for certain a person is botting simply based on the AH. Period. All you can do is suspect. That is not up for debate.

    If you know a person botted for a fact, not based on suspicion, then you are likely violating the terms of service more directly by buying AD or items from a third party website.
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    and.. what if someone bought and resold enchants during double weekends.. they very well could look like a bot (not saying that the orginal purchases were not botted) but the resale wasnt. this is something Ive never done.. just because I never extra rp.. never.

    But just saying.. the whole data mining and naming and shaming could very well capture someone who did that.

    I think its always better to be cautious with accusations.. which is why Ive pointed out many times about the policy against naming people.

  • ambisinisterrambisinisterr Member, Neverwinter Moderator Posts: 10,462 Community Moderator
    Well said Silverkelt.
  • subnoctesubnocte Member Posts: 341 Arc User
    It's probably safe to say that accounts with names like 'jksjdfja' selling a million rank 4s a week are 'likely' bots. Or the people that still appear and disappear at level 60+ in level 5 gear in Blacklake District all day every day in every instance.

    I think the botting market will reduce a lot with mod 8, because rank 7s will be extremely cheap and they are not bottable, and refinement will be considerably easier, meaning less demand for all these mysterious stacks of millions upon millions of non-botted enchants on AH.
  • silverkeltsilverkelt Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,235 Arc User
    Maybe. The issue still surrounds the artifact gear though.. and how ghastly it is to level them. Which brings back to about 1 million posts on how to fix it.. all of which are great and I dont even have a better suggestion. I like Ironzergs the most though.. YOU get experience as you play the game (duh)

    Sure people will bot there toons.. sad loss to them though.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,463 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    I bought stack of r4 when the price is cheap and stashed in the mail box. The mail from AH is not counted against mail box limit.
    I did not pay attention who was selling the r4. They could be from many individual or from a few individual.
    I also do not know these stack passed through how many owners and eventually came to me.
    Did one of them buy 9 r4 11 times and put them together and sell them?

    I have about 100 stacks. I always think about selling them in 2xRP to earn profit but usually I also forgot about them.
    If I want to push them out one day, am I a bot? I pretty look like a bot but I am not.

    I know people who has hundred stacks in their mail box.

    One may ask why I did not use the r4 in 2xRP.

    The answer are: the RP I got from invocation/playing + the stacks of r5 I collected already pushed my Artifacts to Legionary.

    One may again ask why I did not push that to mystic.

    The answer is: I worry about I have no where to dump (or dump them in discounted value) the keep coming character bound Artifact RP and the cost of the (G/S)MoP.
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  • zukn75zukn75 Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Basically yes, if you buy it from the auction house in game, yes you can be banned under the ToS. If you read the ToS you can be banned with no given reason. If you log in, technically you can be banned.The ToS states they can terminate the contract at any time without giving a reason or allowing an appeal. (That's standard industry practice, not a slight on the PWE, Cryptic or the ToS) If you're asking are you likely to be banned from buying from someone you think may be a bot, no.
    If you buy alot of cheap stuff cheap over time then sell it when it hits a peak, they may look at your account, but unless you increase the amount of ad or zen dramatically in the account rapidly repeatedly to another linked account you are unlikely to be sanctioned.
    In summary can you be banned for it? Yes, Is it likely and a direct contradiction of a specific rule? No. Morally should you buy from a vendor you suspect to be a bot is a personal decision.
  • relkindxrelkindx Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    Umm, basically NO. You are not breaking the TOS by buying anything off of the Auction House ever. It's not your job to determine if whatever is for sale was botted. That is Cryptic's job.

    Whether or not you can be banned is a different question, you can be banned for anything or nothing at all. But it's certainly not against the TOS to buy an item from the auction house no matter the price no matter the seller.

    Morally is it the right thing to do -- also a different question.

    I actually don't think zukn75 and I disagree either.
    zukn75 said:

    Basically yes, if you buy it from the auction house in game, yes you can be banned under the ToS. If you read the ToS you can be banned with no given reason. If you log in, technically you can be banned.The ToS states they can terminate the contract at any time without giving a reason or allowing an appeal. (That's standard industry practice, not a slight on the PWE, Cryptic or the ToS) If you're asking are you likely to be banned from buying from someone you think may be a bot, no.
    If you buy alot of cheap stuff cheap over time then sell it when it hits a peak, they may look at your account, but unless you increase the amount of ad or zen dramatically in the account rapidly repeatedly to another linked account you are unlikely to be sanctioned.
    In summary can you be banned for it? Yes, Is it likely and a direct contradiction of a specific rule? No. Morally should you buy from a vendor you suspect to be a bot is a personal decision.

  • mentinmindmakermentinmindmaker Member Posts: 1,492 Arc User
    mmm1001 said:

    I sell lots of R4s and I am not a BOT!!! Where I get them from is not your concern, but it is 100% legit.

    Well.
    My immediate thought when I saw this was someone is exploiting some weakness somewhere to get unintended many R4's.
    If you obtain more resources than reasonable from gameplay that is bug exploitation and that is not legit.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited November 2015
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