Zen Price

buffalonightmare · November 2015

How long did it take after Stonghold for the price of Zen to go back up (in PC)? What events will cause it to spike again? before Mod 6 Zen was 280-300ad!!! I assume VIP is what caused it to bottom out to the 140 it is now. no more buying heaps of Keys since we get dailies. But if PC's market was capped at 500ad for a while i again assume our market follows their ebbs and flows right?

randomdigits · November 2015

I found this thread very descriptive of the general mood on the PC side of the game:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1205656/how-much-life-left-in-the-game/p1

To your question, there are a couple of things which could affect the AD price: e.g. change of AD rewards in game or exodus of paying ZEN customers. Both can happen, when and if we don't.

buffalonightmare · November 2015

im just stuck cause i spent All my ad (1.2mill or so) on zen the day before stronghold dropped. bought it between 135-145 market peeked at 170 and i missed it. now im just swimming in coins Like McDuck.

randomdigits · November 2015

It's good to be you.

yourenext2die · November 2015

buffalonightmare said:
now im just swimming in coins Like McDuck.

armadeonx · November 2015

@yourenext2die - did you join Denial?

yourenext2die · November 2015

armadeonx said:
@yourenext2die - did you join Denial?

Yes

zacoria1405 · November 2015

Not sure if the developers have noticed or not but the economy in the game has just about completely crashed. Zen was 118 this morning and will soon be back to where it was when the game was released at 100. Nothing worth selling anymore, no good drops that are unbound,professions is now a complete waste of time and people are leaving the game at an alarming rate. Something needs to be done right now to turn this around or the game will be completely dead by January.

nem3sls · November 2015

I agree, unfortunate they killed the game by taking AD out of everywhere.

PC had years of exploiting botters, Xbox not.

Game is dying? It hurts but I guess it is

devs killed it yes.

I am struggling with myself bc I won't leave the game but all which was fun has become pointless now. When are dungeons back? I am buying zen with my money but it will take much much more then before to get quick ADs hence the broken economy, I cannot do this. I think 400 USD per month are more then enough...

Usually I talk good about everything in the game, its getting harder now to do so.

drexci · November 2015

I spend 4.8 mil on zen just before the update at 144 sold it when it was 160 and bought back at 133 then spent it all on keys as a last goodbye.

cesar · November 2015

drexci said:
I spend 4.8 mil on zen just before the update at 144 sold it when it was 160 and bought back at 133 then spent it all on keys as a last goodbye.

You got anything worth all those keys?

drexci · November 2015

Nope.

cesar · November 2015

Darn! If Cryptic is wondering why they're losing gamers (I honestly don't think they care), they should look into things like this. It's worse than spending money in Vegas.

codher0 · November 2015

You guys that are saying the game is dying, your wrong. Your so wrong. It makes you sound dumn. Just because your not having fun with the game anymore doesn't mean the game is dying. The low ZEN prizes shows just how successful the game is doing right now. #game of the year

drexci · November 2015

codher0 said:
You guys that are saying the game is dying, your wrong. Your so wrong. It makes you sound dumn. Just because your not having fun with the game anymore doesn't mean the game is dying. The low ZEN prizes shows just how successful the game is doing right now. #game of the year

Zen rate always drops with a new box or mod

The clamp down on AD sellers also impacted the rate also

Wait until after double salvage and it might go up

If it does go up it shows AD is being generated to actually push the rate up.

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cesar · November 2015

poopoomcmuffns said:
remember in order to buy zen with ad, it means someone had to buy that zen with cash.

We do not know if Cryptic also injects zen in the market. Would be interesting to find out.

stpensive · November 2015

cesar#6784 said:
Darn! If Cryptic is wondering why they're losing gamers (I honestly don't think they care), they should look into things like this. It's worse than spending money in Vegas.

Is Cryptic Skynet or is it a collection of human beings? If the latter, do you think they enjoy having jobs, feeding their families, or paying a mortgage? Relax with the 'they dont care' stuff; it's clearly false and intellectually lazy to imply otherwise.

The 'money grab' comments coming from the obtuse are always going to be there but the people who realize that NW is a quality product (and with it comes costs), need to occasionally call them out; to remind them that taking a paycheck for their efforts does not make them tyrannical oligarchy members.

The casual player, the one that is used to slapping down $60 for pew pew games, seems unable (unwilling) to see that there is no real 'end game' in an MMO; not for the player or the developer. NW, like most MMO's are less a game and more a hobby. Like any hobby, you end up paying money over time to feed it. If you can eventually subscribe to that line of thinking, the butthurt when things change will be less acute.

nem3sls · November 2015

So, in short people need to stop buying zen with their money to get zax back up? Makes sense but this cannot be intended by pwe, i mean they are loosing money that way.

I bought and still buy zen to convert to ad but its getting ridiculous expensive with the exchange being that bad.

cesar · November 2015

stpensive said:

cesar#6784 said:
Darn! If Cryptic is wondering why they're losing gamers (I honestly don't think they care), they should look into things like this. It's worse than spending money in Vegas.
Is Cryptic Skynet or is it a collection of human beings? If the latter, do you think they enjoy having jobs, feeding their families, or paying a mortgage? Relax with the 'they dont care' stuff; it's clearly false and intellectually lazy to imply otherwise.

The 'money grab' comments coming from the obtuse are always going to be there but the people who realize that NW is a quality product (and with it comes costs), need to occasionally call them out; to remind them that taking a paycheck for their efforts does not make them tyrannical oligarchy members.

The casual player, the one that is used to slapping down $60 for pew pew games, seems unable (unwilling) to see that there is no real 'end game' in an MMO; not for the player or the developer. NW, like most MMO's are less a game and more a hobby. Like any hobby, you end up paying money over time to feed it. If you can eventually subscribe to that line of thinking, the butthurt when things change will be less acute.

I work on software development, specifically quality assurance, and I've seen so many projects where the only thing upper management (not the dev team) cares about is making money... And by this I mean sacrificing quality over money. These managers do not understand that, in the long term, a high quality product ensures a higher ROI; they usually think in the short term.

Now, do you spend money on a hobby that doesn't give you a minimum level of satisfaction? I don't know about you; I wouldn't... Makes no sense. And it's ok to spend money on NW, but I find it illogical while certain things are not addressed (like the most basic and important thing one needs while in combat: class mechanics). Am I gonna pay $50-100 in a month to get a few cool things while at-wills and encounters aren't triggered often? Thanks, but no thanks.

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cesar · November 2015

virtueofcyanide said:
@cesar#6784

I would bet cryptic is actively engaged in currency manipulation. There's no reason a person would tie up AD in exchange for Zen at a much lower exchange rate than current. Cryptic would to artificially maintain the value.

There's no "quality assurance" from both cryptic and PWE. There's no reason to spend even a single penny on neverwinter. There's every reason to not spend any money on anything related to NW. That includes D&D stuff apart from NW. Money is the most important thing to PW(who owns cryptic) and thus there's no motivation for quality when money is still being spent.

Having spent about a week considering the manner, I really think there's grounds for a class action lawsuit against PW and a separate lawsuit for Microsoft to sue for damages. Consumer protection laws serve to protect people from the activities that PW is engaged in.

LOL! That was good.

stpensive · November 2015

cesar#6784 said:

I work on software development, specifically quality assurance, and I've seen so many projects where the only thing upper management (not the dev team) cares about is making money... And by this I mean sacrificing quality over money. These managers do not understand that, in the long term, a high quality product ensures a higher ROI; they usually think in the short term.

Now, do you spend money on a hobby that doesn't give you a minimum level of satisfaction? I don't know about you; I wouldn't... Makes no sense. And it's ok to spend money on NW, but I find it illogical while certain things are not addressed (like the most basic and important thing one needs while in combat: class mechanics). Am I gonna pay $50-100 in a month to get a few cool things while at-wills and encounters aren't triggered often? Thanks, but no thanks.

I too work in the industry; for a medium sized game company at that.

It's indeed a shame that you have decisionmakers around you that only care about monetary gain. I am fortunate that this is not the case where I am. Making a great product is 'the goal', and when achieved, money is (often) a byproduct.

'Now, do you spend money on a hobby that doesn't give you a minimum level of satisfaction?'

I just find that hard to believe; that NW in its current state, does not meet a 'minimum level of satisfaction' for you. The bar must be incredibly high for you.

cesar · November 2015

stpensive said:

I just find that hard to believe; that NW in its current state, does not meet a 'minimum level of satisfaction' for you. The bar must be incredibly high for you.

No, it isn't incredibly high for me. Like I said, issues that affect the most basic gameplay should be addressed instead of letting them survive mod after mod after mod.

bkt5789 · November 2015

I would like to see a game where the in game currency adjusts itself everyday based on the dynamics of the economy. Have the wonderful bazaar and stuff like that adjust itself by checking the astral diamond exchange and raising or lowering the price based on the strength of the astral diamond.

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kclowe · November 2015

Lets face it, we can hang in tooth and nail but its over. The whole game was a bait and switch. Cryptic gives me this game type i've never seen before on console. I then get invested in it with time money any love and they then slowly extract all the good qualities from the game untill there is nothing left but my addiction to the game. Well its not going to work. Im done

stpensive · November 2015

cesar#6784 said:

No, it isn't incredibly high for me. Like I said, issues that affect the most basic gameplay should be addressed instead of letting them survive mod after mod after mod.

I agree that actual problems should be eradicated but gameplay ones (Life Steal \ regen, making AD, etc) are subjective; I just want to be clear that you are not lumping those in.

That said, if the game is virtually unplayable for you (not meeting that minimum standard), how are others coping; in other words, is their standard different, are they accepting a severely broken product, or are they doing something different than you? I guess those options are not mutually exclusive... In any case, I am not being flippant here, I am genuinely curious.

attorn97 · November 2015

kclowe said:
Lets face it, we can hang in tooth and nail but its over. The whole game was a bait and switch. Cryptic gives me this game type i've never seen before on console. I then get invested in it with time money any love and they then slowly extract all the good qualities from the game untill there is nothing left but my addiction to the game. Well its not going to work. Im done

are you giving away your stuff in protector's enclave? when?

cesar · November 2015

stpensive said:

I agree that actual problems should be eradicated but gameplay ones (Life Steal \ regen, making AD, etc) are subjective; I just want to be clear that you are not lumping those in.

That said, if the game is virtually unplayable for you (not meeting that minimum standard), how are others coping; in other words, is their standard different, are they accepting a severely broken product, or are they doing something different than you? I guess those options are not mutually exclusive... In any case, I am not being flippant here, I am genuinely curious.

I'm not at the point where I would drop the game, I just decided I'm not gonna spend money on it while certain issues are still present. In my case, the most important issues are class mechanics related (I've had issues where at-wills and encounters simply aren't triggered, and worst for me Determination) which ruin combat tactics. I'm not implying that this happens all the time, though... That would truly make the game virtually unplayable.

But again, my point is: could I spend money on the game? Yes, sure, it is a very cool game. But is it worth now? No, not yet... At least for me.

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