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guiilleeeguiilleee Member Posts: 52 Arc User
Is the AD refunded with a month of VIP? thanks!
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    Depends on how many characters you have and if you do all their invocations each day, but yes it is possible to have VIP pay for itself. Personally, I find it to be well worth it. I am at Rank 8 VIP right now and plan to go all the way to Rank 12.
  • guiilleeeguiilleee Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    Wait, why the invocations are important? i missed something i think, i was talking about the keys and lockboxes
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    At a certain VIP rank (variable per AD source, getting more the higher you get) you get extra xx% AD from many sources, including invocation, dailies, and salvage... ...invocation bonus starts at R5.

    ...also ID scrolls (R1), lockbox keys (R1),...
  • guiilleeeguiilleee Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    But for VIP Rank 1? is it worth just with t he keys?
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  • myles08807myles08807 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 409 Arc User
    I'm a big fan of VIP; I have it at max rank.

    I ID everything I find, maximizing my gold return at no expense; I save huge amounts of time via the travel signpost; I receive AD by mail from auctions anywhere, and bank from everywhere; I'll occasionally get killed running the Dragonflight, especially if I'm up against Ol' Blue, but injury immunity makes it a painless, cost-free experience.

    If you can gather the Zen, get it!
  • kemnimtarkaskemnimtarkas Member Posts: 838 Arc User
    It's worth it for the enchanted keys.

    See the announcement just published about the massive upgrade to the Trade Bar store. Assuming they don't change the rate at which trade bars drop on opened lockboxes - trade bars have suddenly become a really, really desireable currency.

    And the only way to get them is opening lockboxes - for which you need enchanted keys. 30 keys would normally run about $30 (3000 Zen) US. So $10 (or 1000 Zen) for 30 keys, even stretched out over a month, is a big discount, and once the trade bar store upgrade happens it will be a pretty good deal.
  • karakla1karakla1 Member Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Yes.
    If you get 1 month VIP you get 30 Keys. 1 Key costs 125 Zen or 75 if you use an the -40% offer coupon. This would mean the 30 Keys (-40% off) would cost you 843,750 AD (current ZAX at 375). The VIP Membership costs only 375,000 AD if you use an -15% offer coupon it only costs you 318,750 AD.

    Whatever! You wanted to know if you get the AD back. The answer is simply: YES! It is a bit of a lottery game but in two month in a row i got enough items out of an lockbox to refund me another month and in addition you get Tarmalune Trade Bars which can be used to buy stuff out of the Trade Bar Shop. For example Coalscent wards which normaly costs 318,750 AD from the Zen-Shop. With one month you can get two Coalscent Wards if you are lucky but one is guranteed! BUT!!! Only with the current pricing of 200 Trade Bars for one Coalscent Ward with the Patch on the 17th November the new Module Underdark will be released and also the pricing of the Trade Bar Shop will be adjusted and the Tradebar will only cost 75 instead of 200. So yeah, it is worth his price and you has a good chance to refinance it.
    I say chance because if many players use the VIP Membership the prices will drop more and you are more unluckly to refund for the next month. So be smart and fast.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    guiilleee said:

    Wait, why the invocations are important? i missed something i think, i was talking about the keys and lockboxes

    Yep, check the posts above this one as they detail how it can also potetially pay for itself even if you don't have the time/patience/characters to do a lot of invoking.

  • guiilleeeguiilleee Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    Ok.. the thing is , i cant run dungeons everyday, so ill lose most of my DG keys? or they stack?
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  • bioshrikebioshrike Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,729 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    guiilleee said:

    Ok.. the thing is , i cant run dungeons everyday, so ill lose most of my DG keys? or they stack?

    The trick with the VIP rewards is that you must claim them each day - if you miss 1 day, you can't go back and claim that day's items, you must simply claim today's items and move forward. Thus, if you can't at least login to claim your daily enchanted key and other such rewards, you'll miss out on them.

    If you are able to login, even for the < 5 minutes it takes to claim these items, then you are good - the items, once claimed, don't expire...

    One other note - the daily per-character and per-account "bags" do not stack, but their contents do - so the bound dungeon keys, ID scrolls, and enchanted keys *can* stack - just the bags they come from cannot.
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  • extchickenmanextchickenman Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    Can you collect these daily rewards through the gateway?
  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    guiilleee said:

    Ok.. the thing is , i cant run dungeons everyday, so ill lose most of my DG keys? or they stack?

    They stack.
  • jonkocajonkoca Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,586 Arc User
    I bought a month's worth a couple of weeks ago, and I'm ahead of the curve already. It's worth it just for the little thrill of a gamble a day on the lockboxes.
    No idea what my toon is now.
  • guiilleeeguiilleee Member Posts: 52 Arc User
    Ok , so, ill buy IT thanks to all!
  • subnoctesubnocte Member Posts: 341 Arc User
    As long as you log in every day it's definitely worth it. The convenience things - signpost, vendor and mail - are very nice.

    The changes to trade bars coming up with massively increase its worth, e.g. 5x preservation wards for 5 bars (every box drops typically 5 or so bars).
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  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    verdonix1 said:

    ok, let's do the math. ..... let's say you whiff on EVERY box and get a companions booster pack. You get rank7's and maybe a Rank8 out of there and an epic companion XP booster. Let's say you get 2- 7's, 1- 8 and the XP pack everyday for 30 days.

    The 7's sell for at least 2000 AD each
    The 8 for at least 8000 AD and the
    XP boost is probably 2000 AD.

    But for ease of math we will use 12k a day if you sell every item you get at the lowest level reward.


    12000 AD x 30 = 360,000 AD a month (VERY LOW BALL)

    You can get VIP for 850 Zen with a 15% off coupon.

    850 Zen @ 385 AD each = 327, 250 AD


    You pay for the VIP by getting on of the lowest rewards possible daily.

    Let's say you get a Genie's Gift every box

    15,500 AD x 30= 465,000 AD

    It is worth it.


    Let me say that there are worse rewards in the boxes... the crappy transmutes come to mind that do not sell.... however there are MUCH better rewards as well..... it all evens out to make it a break even endeavor with days of "shine"

    Spend the dough and get it rockin.


    Better off just selling the box itself because companion treatsies drop from it and they're worth nothing. Genie's gift goes for ~9k now too.

    Either way you minimally break even if you used a 15% off coupon.

    Not counting the trade bars, which thankfully I haven't used yet, and with 2 weeks of vip left, I'm about to break even on my R3 vip. Never got anything useful or something worth more than 20k from the lockboxes so far. So my potential profit will have to come from the trade bars, of which I was granted 700 so far. So the new trade bar store will ensure I get at least something worth the trouble. Alas the new prices will make that profit limited as well. Not that I'm against the new prices, far from it. But it doesn't make being a VIP more attractive.

    All in all I'm not sure I'll extend my R3 vip to R4 when it runs out. What's the point if I merely break even? I know part of that is to blame on my limited playtime due to a back-injury. But still, the lost profit isn't that much. A few 100 AD here and there for the dungeons and skirmishes and stuff.

    Because eventually you'll get to rank 5 and the signpost is worth having some AD in limbo. Generally you do much better than breaking even too. I'm averaging at least 100k profit each month not including tradebars. And with the changes to the tradebar store you basically will never have to spend any AD on preservation wards.
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  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    Also worth pointing out that there's a 50% off sale in the zen store November 25th so you might want to get your zen before the ZAX gets wiped.
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  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    Rank 12 VIP here, and it's been a superb experience so far.

    Time saving, free loot, discount on AH and Wondrous Bazaar, etc.

    100% worth it. :)
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    At begin of mod 8 changes are done to the bazar
    Coalescent ward for 75 tarmalune bars, means you will earn one ward every 7-8 days per account by opening lockboxes with your free key
    Can't say how much the ward will cost in the Zen store...atm its 1000 Zen
    So its 4 wards in 4 weeks plus stuff from lockboxes to sell...its worth it by sure
    If you intend to play this game and take 5 min a day to log in its a must have
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,453 Arc User

    Rank 12 VIP here, and it's been a superb experience so far.



    Time saving, free loot, discount on AH and Wondrous Bazaar, etc.



    100% worth it. :)

    +1. Being VIP 12, all your character can access the bank anywhere.
    No character need to go to PE or SH for the bank purpose. Deep in the dungeon? No problem.
    Bank slot becomes (kind of) your bag slot. Quality of life improved significantly.
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  • suxip01111suxip01111 Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    In the first month I went VIP, I made around 700k AD from lockboxes alone. The trick is to not open the boxes (Coffer of Enchanting, etc) you get from the lockboxes, just sell them directly on the AH. While you may miss out on a chance for something special from those boxes, the steady income more than makes up for it.

    I've been very lucky and had 2 epic rewards from lockboxes so far, a Heavy Inferno Nightmare mount (sold for 950k AD), and a Phoera companion (which I got today, and haven't sold yet!) I've also had numerous Coalescent Wards through Tarmalune bars, which has allowed me to gear up 2 of my chars with nice weapon/armor enhancements.

    I believe you can pay for VIP with the money you make from it, and still have a nice profit left over. Although not as easily as before the Leadership AD nerf which crashed the market.
  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    The invocations are + 10% RAD with VIP.
    guiilleee said:

    Wait, why the invocations are important? i missed something i think, i was talking about the keys and lockboxes

  • grogthemagnifgrogthemagnif Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,651 Arc User
    Yes, 30 keys * 75 Zen (cheapest rate for keys) = 2250 Zen and 30 days of VIP cost 1000 Zen or less. Do the Math.
    guiilleee said:

    But for VIP Rank 1? is it worth just with t he keys?

  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    + /- 300 tarmalune bars on top, about 4 coalescense ward
    Its worth it 3 times or more
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  • torontodavetorontodave Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 992 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    All I ever get are companion fortification kits and black ice shaping packs.

    both worth under 10k? =X

    Factor that into your math.

    edit: one time I got an ensorcelled equip arsenal pack.. worth 20k. then I opened it and got the GF-only shield. Worth 1900 AD .. =X Why can't the OP use the GF's shield? Cryptic.
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  • urabaskurabask Member Posts: 2,923 Arc User
    edited November 2015

    All I ever get are companion fortification kits and black ice shaping packs.

    both worth under 10k? =X

    Factor that into your math.

    edit: one time I got an ensorcelled equip arsenal pack.. worth 20k. then I opened it and got the GF-only shield. Worth 1900 AD .. =X Why can't the OP use the GF's shield? Cryptic.

    You should've just sold the arsenal for 14k (they dropped hard o-o Used to be 30k+ a week ago). It rarely drops anything worth more than that.

    Black Ice packs have been above 9k for a while (12-15k). I'd assume that with the drowcraft armor coming in the next expansion they'll sell better too.

    The newer lockboxes drop the enchantment packs, artifact packs, and professions packs more often than Genie's gift/companion kits too. Probably still averaging around 14k AD after AH fees.
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