cbrowne0329Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 293Arc User
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I don't get why you wouldn't want to see it. I thought the whole purpose of joining a guild was to join with people of likes? If you are just in a guild for kicks, I can see this being an issue. If your guild is laid back, GL is probably laid back, if it's hardcore so likely are the rules.
This complaining that some people are hogging the coffer, this would also help you guys. GL can tell the person hold off donating for a few days while people catch up, etc.
Heh... but then again I'm a one man guild because... well 3... but they never seem to play. lolz.
I would like to be able to see who contributes, but not to "see who does nothing." It is a sad reminder of the world we live in that everyone automatically jumps to abuse and negativity.
Maybe i'm not your average guild leader, but i sometimes go to bed. While i'm in bed, guild members from around the world are in-game, and may be donating. Then, sometimes i have to work, and again guild members from around the world may be in-game, and may be donating. My guild officers and i have discussed the idea of rewarding members who are helping us reach our building goals, but have no intention of punishing those who aren't. But, we do not have the luxury of standing next to the coffer 24/7 to monitor donations.
You don't need anything to see who's contributing. If you don't contribute, you don't get the gear. There's nothing to leech in the respect. And before you start about boons... if a new member joins after you have the boons that new player hasn't worked for them either and he still gets them. So what's the problem here? I don't see it.
That point of view can be OK for a small guilds but im a member of a big one, with all lvl 70ies and were running out of space. In our position having someone who is "too old to do dailies and HEs for influence" means putting him on same lvl of who is active and sticking in (on his possibilities obviously) contribuitons. We need a tool that will give us possibility, even just in guild rankings, to reward active players against the "im too old for this" members. Or even to get rid of them since we will get gear and weapons anyway and at that point they will not deserve them at all.
It's not fair that we can't reward active members.
IMHO who is scared to be kicked out of his guild becouse of low contributions is in a wrong guild anyway and they will get rid of him soon or later.
You don't need anything to see who's contributing. If you don't contribute, you don't get the gear. There's nothing to leech in the respect. And before you start about boons... if a new member joins after you have the boons that new player hasn't worked for them either and he still gets them. So what's the problem here? I don't see it.
That point of view can be OK for a small guilds but im a member of a big one, with all lvl 70ies and were running out of space. In our position having someone who is "too old to do dailies and HEs for influence" means putting him on same lvl of who is active and sticking in (on his possibilities obviously) contribuitons. We need a tool that will give us possibility, even just in guild rankings, to reward active players against the "im too old for this" members. Or even to get rid of them since we will get gear and weapons anyway and at that point they will not deserve them at all.
It's not fair that we can't reward active members.
IMHO who is scared to be kicked out of his guild becouse of low contributions is in a wrong guild anyway and they will get rid of him soon or later.
And this is why guilds should never have been made more than a roster and chat channel. The attitude is disgusting.
And this is why guilds should never have been made more than a roster and chat channel. The attitude is disgusting.
Yep, lets get rid of Strongholds and go back to a dead game as it was 2 weeks ago, you're right. Or delete your toon after u hit lvl 70 or don't lvl it at all. At the end of the day you don't need a lvl 70 toon for a Roster and G chat anyway right? Yep, yep, you're absolutely right! Why should I try to evolve my toon? it's not needed at all!!!! But wait... neither a game is needed... Now I'm confused... Help!
BTW: People have right to a different point of view than yours, no need to be rude.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I voted YES purely from my guild's perspective as I'd like to reward and acknowledge the active contributors. I'm a firm believer of "Give credit when credit is due".
However, I fully understand the many concerns folks have here about the abuse that'll follow once such info is "in the wrong hands".
Like many said, this is a double-edged sword.
Right now, I believe guild leaders are relying on gut feel to assess the contribution levels and to reward/acknowledge those active contributors.
Guess there's no one perfect system and either ways have their pros and cons...
BTW: People have right to a different point of view than yours, no need to be rude.
Considering the history such things have, of destroying game communities and decreasing their populations to dead levels, there is no other response I can make. The idea is that bad. If you asked me if I wanted to punch myself in the balls I would weight that idea with more positives than the ideas in this thread. The supporters of this have nothing redeemable to their opinions.
You're sick. You have a problem with solo-players, big one. Your pride over zero makes me cringe.
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arcticblitzMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 126Arc User
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I'm going with Yes, In our guild as with others contribution forms part of gaining guild rank in which guild bank deposit records were a helpful thing (Contribution in our guild is not solely limited to items or gold , but also behaviors and helping others).
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You're sick. You have a problem with solo-players, big one. Your pride over zero makes me cringe.
No, to solo players their own. I respect their willing to play alone surrounded by other ghosts or to get into temporary parties, it's not a problem to me at all (how would it affect me?).
Here we are talking about giving a tool to let guild masters reward committing people (if I know who do I can give out rewards). In all civil societies there are such systems, in mine country for example we give 'privileges' (like the title of 'knighthood') to important people (scientists, entrepreneurs, etc.).
Every system will be abused that's obvious, people kicked because they do nothing isn't different by people kicked because not logged in for x days or because don't comply to guild's rules or don't answer to an help call, etc.
If you live in the fear of being abused you will not do anything, anywhere. Be strong. (pull out of your misery)
When 99 times out of 100 it will be used for abuse it's a horrible idea. You've even tried to defend abuse earlier after saying you'd engage in it. You are someone that many wouldn't want to play with.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
Yes, not to punish, but to reward, see who is contributing and to concentrate efforts.
We need influence, like most other guilds. In the first days of strongholds I saw ppl running T2 dungeons with ill equiped toons, to get the reward, neglecting HEs. We released a guild massage, to tell ppl, that they should concentrate on HEs, influence drops inceased.
With a tool to monitor donations, you could see who is commited and reward them and you might find one or two players who did not understand the system fully, talk to them and bundle efforts. Furthermore vouchers are spamming our inventory, so we told ppl to just spent vouchers, stronghold currency etc and no gold, enchants etc. If someone, for example, caps gold, to get easy marks, resulting in all the other guld members to be unable to get rid of vouchers, it is a bad move and it should be adressed.
BTW, the argument 'who does not contribute cant buy anything' is BS. I could have capped all my chars with glory donations on day 1. I play since beta and I could donate 8k+ gold for easy marks. I capped some campain currencies and donate them, instead I do HEs with 5 chars, to get influence. Less marks, more time, but better for the guild.
On a side note, the problem with 'no influence from HEs' can be adressed, by doing small HEs and not spamming collect. Everyone in my guild knows this. If someone starts by farming epic HEs and and complains about no inflence reward, he either did not listen or he does not care and pretends, to do HEs for the guild and not just for his personal gain.
Last but not least, the questions are biased, implying, that the possibility to see contributions results in discrimination. This is called a 'leading question' practiced by marketers all over the world, as the OP already said himself.
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torontodaveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 992Arc User
just add a column to the guild roster showing total accumulated(earned) guild marks. (incl ones already spent)
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited August 2015
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I voted yes because discrimination happens regardless if the guild leader or officers are intent on discriminating anyway, but for those who are not, this would be a cool way to track, express gratitude and reward active members.
There could be an option to disable it for the guilds that don't want to display it or set it via privilege for the various ranks, of course.
I keep seeing people saying they would reward members for their contributions. So I am curious, how would you reward them? What would you give them in return for countless hours of grinding and donating?
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
edited August 2015
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I keep seeing people saying they would reward members for their contributions. So I am curious, how would you reward them? What would you give them in return for countless hours of grinding and donating?
Yesterday I gave a green level 60 artifact (Lethander's, I had it in my bank for so long and couldn't decide what to do with it) belt to my only other guild mate (yes, there's only 2 of us) for a couple of hours of doing Heroic Encounters together.
That's just an example, and of course, and I wouldn't be able to keep up with this kind of rewards in the long run, but it's still all open to guild master, as they say it's the thought that counts.
I keep seeing people saying they would reward members for their contributions. So I am curious, how would you reward them? What would you give them in return for countless hours of grinding and donating?
Yesterday I gave a green level 60 artifact (Lethander's) belt to my only other guild mate (yes, there's only 2 of us) for a couple of hours of doing Heroic Encounters together.
That's just an example, and of course, and I wouldn't be able to keep up with this kind of rewards in the long run, but it's still all open to guild master, as they say it's the thought that counts.
A whole 6k value artifact. Yeah, it's clear you don't really want it for "rewards," as I am sure everyone trying to use that excuse doesn't. This would only be used to kick people.
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klangeddinMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 882Arc User
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I keep seeing people saying they would reward members for their contributions. So I am curious, how would you reward them? What would you give them in return for countless hours of grinding and donating?
Yesterday I gave a green level 60 artifact (Lethander's) belt to my only other guild mate (yes, there's only 2 of us) for a couple of hours of doing Heroic Encounters together.
That's just an example, and of course, and I wouldn't be able to keep up with this kind of rewards in the long run, but it's still all open to guild master, as they say it's the thought that counts.
A whole 6k value artifact. Yeah, it's clear you don't really want it for "rewards," as I am sure everyone trying to use that excuse doesn't. This would only be used to kick people.
It's an incentive and I had nothing better to give to him anyway. I can't print stuff out of nothing if I don't have it.
Besides, we ran a couple of hours of HEs and he contributed 25 building supplies (for what I could see) for Lumberyard, what did you expect me to give him? A million AD? I don't even have them.
Ah, I also promoted him.
And finally, don't make assumption about people you don't know because you only end up looking both arrogant and silly at the same time.
A title (through rank), what else. Pride is precious for more people that you can think at.
A freaking title? LMAO. What a great reward. Just be honest with it. You only want this so you can kick people who you feel are not contributing enough to your epeen building.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I'm for it, though I'd mostly care about my GM being able to track influence donations, as that's the real bottleneck to guild improvement. I know the current influence bug would make it a little rough - but that's where having a guild that communicates well would help (I know I complain loudly whenever I get bugged).
I'd kind of like to see how much I've donated over time, but I'm weird like that. :P
It'd be nice if donations were recorded via account and not character though, so your net contributions would be easier to track.
I voted no. Reason being quite simple, I wouldn't wish upon anyone to end up feeling guilty about putting character progression before guild progression. Being able to see who donates what WILL whether you like it or not put pressure on players. And I personally want every member in a guild to be under as little pressure as possible.
I believe that in this matter the saying "what you don't know wont hurt you" couldn't be more fitting.
I keep seeing people saying they would reward members for their contributions. So I am curious, how would you reward them? What would you give them in return for countless hours of grinding and donating?
I vote a GMOP
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,374Arc User
No, I don't want to be discriminated in any way
If the purpose is to reward, I am okay with that. If the purpose is to punish, I don't agree with that.
If the guild leader is rich and set up a contest such as anyone who can max out their contribution 30000 before a date, he will receive a GMoP from the guild leader. In THEORY, this can be a positive spin for this monitor.
However, should this monitor be per account based? Or, per character based?
e.g. One account with one char scores 20000. One account with 3 characters scored 10000 each.
Who did better?
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There should be something the players would tear away from the guild they got kicked from, currency or something valuable for the guilds and recyclable. Talking of those that contributed a lot.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,374Arc User
If the purpose is to reward, I am okay with that. If the purpose is to punish, I don't agree with that.
If the guild leader is rich and set up a contest such as anyone who can max out their contribution 30000 before a date, he will receive a GMoP from the guild leader. In THEORY, this can be a positive spin for this monitor.
However, should this monitor be per account based? Or, per character based?
e.g. One account with one char scores 20000. One account with 3 characters scored 10000 each.
Who did better?
The whole purpose of rewarding is pointless. Everyone in any given guild knows who the people are that spend the most money on this game. Obviously they have more than enough to contribute because of that. I don't consider rewarding people for spending money on the game is a productive development.
Sorry, I don't understand about the money part. Certain thing you can't get using money such as influence. I did not spend any money in this game. I am not a guild leader but I have enough to give out reward if I want to.
The reward can be for those who contributed the most influence. The reward is just a token of appreciation. It can be a GMoP or an Artifact or a mount or ...
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,374Arc User
If the purpose is to reward, I am okay with that. If the purpose is to punish, I don't agree with that.
If the guild leader is rich and set up a contest such as anyone who can max out their contribution 30000 before a date, he will receive a GMoP from the guild leader. In THEORY, this can be a positive spin for this monitor.
However, should this monitor be per account based? Or, per character based?
e.g. One account with one char scores 20000. One account with 3 characters scored 10000 each.
Who did better?
The whole purpose of rewarding is pointless. Everyone in any given guild knows who the people are that spend the most money on this game. Obviously they have more than enough to contribute because of that. I don't consider rewarding people for spending money on the game is a productive development.
Sorry, I don't understand about the money part. Certain thing you can't get using money such as influence. I did not spend any money in this game. I am not a guild leader but I have enough to give out reward if I want to.
The reward can be for those who contributed the most influence. The reward is just a token of appreciation. It can be a GMoP or an Artifact or a mount or ...
Hire a mercenary then... never heard of a templar that faired good in a battle and got a '+2 horse'.
We are not mercenaries but it's a behaviour I can comprehend. Anyway: Bxxxxxx!
Mercenary tends to take the money and then run away for the next "project". They won't stick around. The reward is to hope to make people to stick around. It is more like to compare to be the champion who may get a princess.
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instynctiveMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,885Arc User
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
A title (through rank), what else. Pride is precious for more people that you can think at.
A freaking title? LMAO. What a great reward. Just be honest with it. You only want this so you can kick people who you feel are not contributing enough to your epeen building.
Again... I kick people when they do not log for 30 days or play with a behaviour that put shame to the guild's reputation. And yes, doing absolutely nothing can be a cause for getting kicked (and it is without the tool too). Doing 'little' it's not.
^^^ This.
We've been doing "collections" and "donations" from the get-go... stupid things, usually, like like 6SP treasures... but you get enough of them together and they sell for THOUSANDS at the AH. About once a week, I'll empty out the guild bank, auction off the stuff and stick the AD in "escrow" (okay, so I write down how much).
Oh, sorry.. I guess that I could exploit that and keep all the AD to myself.
But I don't.
Ask any one of my guildmembers and they'll all tell you the same thing.. this guild is "home" to them. And I will fiercely protect the sanctity of our "home... inactives get booted, bad behavior (twattery, exploits, whatever) gets booted. I've booted people for pissing me off. I guess that falls under "twattery".
So while my guildmembers are all busting their hump to collect Influence and Surplus equipment so that we can continue forward progress on our SH, those who aren't contributing are "deadweight". And I will have the backing of every hard-working member of my guild when I do start kicking the deadweight.
In the meanwhile, am I going to abuse the system, or "discriminate"? No. I'm a realist and understand that RL and family and work and other sort of obligations come first. I remind my guildmembers on a regular basis to NOT donate at the expense of their own advancement (although, getting to the SH armor has been VERY good motivation for us all).
Not every guild out there wants to have the best of the best of the best, SIR! Not every guild leader out there is out to screw over the guild members. So yes, the system will be abused. But not by me. I can think of a number of other similar guilds who feel the same as I do... and they won't "discriminate" either.
Yes, I would like to see (or let the GM see) who does nothing.. and could incentivate me to commit even more
I vote yes.
1. I pick up stuff I don't use all the time. Might as well contribute it to the guild - it's not as if I just give it away either.
2. How can I expect guild benefits if I'm not willing to contribute to the guild?
3. I trust my Guild Leaders to be fair in their expectations. If I don't, I'm probably in the wrong guild.
4. Nobody ever put a gun to my head to join my guild. It's quite possible to solo along and PUG dungeons (and just skip this whole mod.)
It's a simple matter of give something to get something - just like RL.
I keep seeing people saying they would reward members for their contributions. So I am curious, how would you reward them? What would you give them in return for countless hours of grinding and donating?
Yesterday I gave a green level 60 artifact (Lethander's, I had it in my bank for so long and couldn't decide what to do with it) belt to my only other guild mate (yes, there's only 2 of us) for a couple of hours of doing Heroic Encounters together.
That's just an example, and of course, and I wouldn't be able to keep up with this kind of rewards in the long run, but it's still all open to guild master, as they say it's the thought that counts.
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This complaining that some people are hogging the coffer, this would also help you guys. GL can tell the person hold off donating for a few days while people catch up, etc.
Heh... but then again I'm a one man guild because... well 3... but they never seem to play. lolz.
Maybe i'm not your average guild leader, but i sometimes go to bed. While i'm in bed, guild members from around the world are in-game, and may be donating. Then, sometimes i have to work, and again guild members from around the world may be in-game, and may be donating. My guild officers and i have discussed the idea of rewarding members who are helping us reach our building goals, but have no intention of punishing those who aren't. But, we do not have the luxury of standing next to the coffer 24/7 to monitor donations.
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That point of view can be OK for a small guilds but im a member of a big one, with all lvl 70ies and were running out of space. In our position having someone who is "too old to do dailies and HEs for influence" means putting him on same lvl of who is active and sticking in (on his possibilities obviously) contribuitons. We need a tool that will give us possibility, even just in guild rankings, to reward active players against the "im too old for this" members. Or even to get rid of them since we will get gear and weapons anyway and at that point they will not deserve them at all.
It's not fair that we can't reward active members.
IMHO who is scared to be kicked out of his guild becouse of low contributions is in a wrong guild anyway and they will get rid of him soon or later.
And this is why guilds should never have been made more than a roster and chat channel. The attitude is disgusting.
Yep, lets get rid of Strongholds and go back to a dead game as it was 2 weeks ago, you're right. Or delete your toon after u hit lvl 70 or don't lvl it at all. At the end of the day you don't need a lvl 70 toon for a Roster and G chat anyway right? Yep, yep, you're absolutely right! Why should I try to evolve my toon? it's not needed at all!!!! But wait... neither a game is needed... Now I'm confused... Help!
BTW: People have right to a different point of view than yours, no need to be rude.
However, I fully understand the many concerns folks have here about the abuse that'll follow once such info is "in the wrong hands".
Like many said, this is a double-edged sword.
Right now, I believe guild leaders are relying on gut feel to assess the contribution levels and to reward/acknowledge those active contributors.
Guess there's no one perfect system and either ways have their pros and cons...
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When 99 times out of 100 it will be used for abuse it's a horrible idea. You've even tried to defend abuse earlier after saying you'd engage in it. You are someone that many wouldn't want to play with.
We need influence, like most other guilds. In the first days of strongholds I saw ppl running T2 dungeons with ill equiped toons, to get the reward, neglecting HEs. We released a guild massage, to tell ppl, that they should concentrate on HEs, influence drops inceased.
With a tool to monitor donations, you could see who is commited and reward them and you might find one or two players who did not understand the system fully, talk to them and bundle efforts. Furthermore vouchers are spamming our inventory, so we told ppl to just spent vouchers, stronghold currency etc and no gold, enchants etc. If someone, for example, caps gold, to get easy marks, resulting in all the other guld members to be unable to get rid of vouchers, it is a bad move and it should be adressed.
BTW, the argument 'who does not contribute cant buy anything' is BS. I could have capped all my chars with glory donations on day 1. I play since beta and I could donate 8k+ gold for easy marks. I capped some campain currencies and donate them, instead I do HEs with 5 chars, to get influence. Less marks, more time, but better for the guild.
On a side note, the problem with 'no influence from HEs' can be adressed, by doing small HEs and not spamming collect. Everyone in my guild knows this. If someone starts by farming epic HEs and and complains about no inflence reward, he either did not listen or he does not care and pretends, to do HEs for the guild and not just for his personal gain.
Last but not least, the questions are biased, implying, that the possibility to see contributions results in discrimination. This is called a 'leading question' practiced by marketers all over the world, as the OP already said himself.
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I like the idea of a guild massage. Do you offer, um, "extras"?
There could be an option to disable it for the guilds that don't want to display it or set it via privilege for the various ranks, of course.
Yesterday I gave a green level 60 artifact (Lethander's, I had it in my bank for so long and couldn't decide what to do with it) belt to my only other guild mate (yes, there's only 2 of us) for a couple of hours of doing Heroic Encounters together.
That's just an example, and of course, and I wouldn't be able to keep up with this kind of rewards in the long run, but it's still all open to guild master, as they say it's the thought that counts.
A whole 6k value artifact. Yeah, it's clear you don't really want it for "rewards," as I am sure everyone trying to use that excuse doesn't. This would only be used to kick people.
It's an incentive and I had nothing better to give to him anyway. I can't print stuff out of nothing if I don't have it.
Besides, we ran a couple of hours of HEs and he contributed 25 building supplies (for what I could see) for Lumberyard, what did you expect me to give him? A million AD? I don't even have them.
Ah, I also promoted him.
And finally, don't make assumption about people you don't know because you only end up looking both arrogant and silly at the same time.
A freaking title? LMAO. What a great reward. Just be honest with it. You only want this so you can kick people who you feel are not contributing enough to your epeen building.
I'd kind of like to see how much I've donated over time, but I'm weird like that. :P
It'd be nice if donations were recorded via account and not character though, so your net contributions would be easier to track.
I believe that in this matter the saying "what you don't know wont hurt you" couldn't be more fitting.
I vote a GMOP
If the guild leader is rich and set up a contest such as anyone who can max out their contribution 30000 before a date, he will receive a GMoP from the guild leader. In THEORY, this can be a positive spin for this monitor.
However, should this monitor be per account based? Or, per character based?
e.g. One account with one char scores 20000. One account with 3 characters scored 10000 each.
Who did better?
Sorry, I don't understand about the money part. Certain thing you can't get using money such as influence. I did not spend any money in this game. I am not a guild leader but I have enough to give out reward if I want to.
The reward can be for those who contributed the most influence. The reward is just a token of appreciation. It can be a GMoP or an Artifact or a mount or ...
Mercenary tends to take the money and then run away for the next "project". They won't stick around. The reward is to hope to make people to stick around. It is more like to compare to be the champion who may get a princess.
^^^ This.
We've been doing "collections" and "donations" from the get-go... stupid things, usually, like like 6SP treasures... but you get enough of them together and they sell for THOUSANDS at the AH. About once a week, I'll empty out the guild bank, auction off the stuff and stick the AD in "escrow" (okay, so I write down how much).
Oh, sorry.. I guess that I could exploit that and keep all the AD to myself.
But I don't.
Ask any one of my guildmembers and they'll all tell you the same thing.. this guild is "home" to them. And I will fiercely protect the sanctity of our "home... inactives get booted, bad behavior (twattery, exploits, whatever) gets booted. I've booted people for pissing me off. I guess that falls under "twattery".
So while my guildmembers are all busting their hump to collect Influence and Surplus equipment so that we can continue forward progress on our SH, those who aren't contributing are "deadweight". And I will have the backing of every hard-working member of my guild when I do start kicking the deadweight.
In the meanwhile, am I going to abuse the system, or "discriminate"? No. I'm a realist and understand that RL and family and work and other sort of obligations come first. I remind my guildmembers on a regular basis to NOT donate at the expense of their own advancement (although, getting to the SH armor has been VERY good motivation for us all).
Not every guild out there wants to have the best of the best of the best, SIR! Not every guild leader out there is out to screw over the guild members. So yes, the system will be abused. But not by me. I can think of a number of other similar guilds who feel the same as I do... and they won't "discriminate" either.
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1. I pick up stuff I don't use all the time. Might as well contribute it to the guild - it's not as if I just give it away either.
2. How can I expect guild benefits if I'm not willing to contribute to the guild?
3. I trust my Guild Leaders to be fair in their expectations. If I don't, I'm probably in the wrong guild.
4. Nobody ever put a gun to my head to join my guild. It's quite possible to solo along and PUG dungeons (and just skip this whole mod.)
It's a simple matter of give something to get something - just like RL.
Only 2 of you and you want to monitor him...lol