Sure they dont which is why I can regularly without warning be sent flying from 8 foot away from the edge
And not just me anyone who was in that vicinity attacking the heads.
You carry on believing that, I will continue to believe my reality every time I get shoved off the clifftop by "something" mysterious then
Btw just to be clear we are talking about the front under the heads not the sides of the pit area.
The dragons push you off themselves. They have pushed me off. But it is NOT in the games coding for pushing powers to affect other players in PvE. And you seem to be the only one with this issue. Also, I kept using my sun burst on Tiamat runs yesterday, and actually TRIED to push a player, my friend, off....guess what, he didn't budge at all.
The dragons push you off themselves. They have pushed me off. But it is NOT in the games coding for pushing powers to affect other players in PvE. And you seem to be the only one with this issue. Also, I kept using my sun burst on Tiamat runs yesterday, and actually TRIED to push a player, my friend, off....guess what, he didn't budge at all.
You are 100% correct but that is not the what is being debated here
If your friend had an auto attack encounter engaged on a target that you did push off the map say bye bye to your friend as he will follow the target off the cliff .... that is the point.
Excessive use of push reduces the DPS of the group because couple of times off the cliff and I do not use that encounter which is very effective anywhere near a cliff if the DC or CW is hellbent on pushing them off the map.
I have been killed more times from this than anything at the cleric stage by far
But see that guy is implying that he is being pushed, on purpose, by the DC/CW. Like they are looking at him and pushing him off. That is not the case, and being a TR as well, I know that if I use Duelists Furry on the ads I will follow them once I get to the last stage of the attack. BUT, what I DONT do is stand that close to the edge that when a DC pushes I follow them off the cliff. You need to be smart with your attacks.
Also, why are you attacking ads while the drag heads are up anyway? Ignore the ads at dragon head, let the DC/CW puch them off and just focus on the head...duh
But see that guy is implying that he is being pushed, on purpose, by the DC/CW. Like they are looking at him and pushing him off. That is not the case, and being a TR as well, I know that if I use Duelists Furry on the ads I will follow them once I get to the last stage of the attack. BUT, what I DONT do is stand that close to the edge that when a DC pushes I follow them off the cliff. You need to be smart with your attacks.
Also, why are you attacking ads while the drag heads are up anyway? Ignore the ads at dragon head, let the DC/CW puch them off and just focus on the head...duh
Auto attack you only direct the first one to attack and the game chooses the next 4 so you direct your attack at the dragon and an ad is in the area you attack it ...duh
At the dragon stage I never use this encounter for that reason unless the DPS is needed to win and your 100% correct you need to be smart with your attacks.
But see that guy is implying that he is being pushed, on purpose, by the DC/CW. Like they are looking at him and pushing him off. That is not the case, and being a TR as well, I know that if I use Duelists Furry on the ads I will follow them once I get to the last stage of the attack. BUT, what I DONT do is stand that close to the edge that when a DC pushes I follow them off the cliff. You need to be smart with your attacks.
Also, why are you attacking ads while the drag heads are up anyway? Ignore the ads at dragon head, let the DC/CW puch them off and just focus on the head...duh
Auto attack you only direct the first one to attack and the game chooses the next 4 so you direct your attack at the dragon and an ad is in the area you attack it ...duh
That's why the DC/CW should use their push powers lol...duh
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Could be wrong on this, but 99% that Fox's Cunning only works for yourself and 1 nearby ally, as said in the description. Not as helpful for Tiamat as it sounds.
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At rank 1 your are correct.
At rank 3 it is 5 nearby allies.
The dragons push you off themselves. They have pushed me off. But it is NOT in the games coding for pushing powers to affect other players in PvE. And you seem to be the only one with this issue. Also, I kept using my sun burst on Tiamat runs yesterday, and actually TRIED to push a player, my friend, off....guess what, he didn't budge at all.
Yep as I said you keep believing that, my guild has run experiments and we have seen Push powers impact players in PVE we have also seen the time compression power screw players when they are heading for ads and running at the time and be run right off the cliffs in dungeons if the server is lagging.
Unless you have run a debugger on the game or are part of the coding team you cant say with certainty this is not or cant happen.
What I am saying is a number of us have faced this and been impacted by it, using it around the dragon head is not required and to those of us going airborne with a high degree of frequency (due to whatever cause) it would be best to not use them right at the dragon head.
The dragon itself only blows you off on the left and right sides of the approach to the head, it never blows you off UNDER the head.
Therefore whatever is doing this is related to the use of push powers as the ads go flying with us when we go for a swim in the lava.
But see that guy is implying that he is being pushed, on purpose, by the DC/CW. Like they are looking at him and pushing him off. That is not the case, and being a TR as well, I know that if I use Duelists Furry on the ads I will follow them once I get to the last stage of the attack. BUT, what I DONT do is stand that close to the edge that when a DC pushes I follow them off the cliff. You need to be smart with your attacks.
Also, why are you attacking ads while the drag heads are up anyway? Ignore the ads at dragon head, let the DC/CW puch them off and just focus on the head...duh
Invent stuff much?
I am not attacking the ads, I am hitting the Heads with everything I have, I did not say anyone is doing this on purpose neither did anyone else from what I can see, those of us with issues with this are just saying don't use it at the heads as it is not required and is (by whatever means) causing players to be taken out of the run by dropping them off the cliff.
NO powers that hurt/move a player will do that in PvE. It is NOT in the games coding for that to happen, I don't know how to make it any clearer. Its like trying to shoot at a teammate in any FPS, unless you are in hardcore...the bullets go RIGHT THROUGH.
Also, as I said, the reason why you want a DC/CW pushing the ads at the dragon heads is so you don't keep getting hit in the back while focusing on the head. How does that not ring a bell with you?
No one can be as hopeless as some people in particular seem to be....
My main CW is very squishy @patsfire and I am not the highest gear score out there at almost 14K. My defense is pretty low. I have never had a problem with ads at the dragon heads. I never ever have to consider the ads because I can lifesteal and sustain enough life to take me to the next heads. How are you taking so much damage that you are worried about ads at the dragon heads? I forget about them at every head and they are never a problem for me. The only problem I have at the heads is when people forget to acquire and pop their gems.
Aelwyn | SS Renegade CW | Lv 70 | ilvl 3029
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
Depends on which toon I am using. My TR is up close and personal with the dragons, so there is no issue with ads. BUT, my DC and my CW stand a little further away and so I do consistently get hit in the back by ads. I know its not just me, because my guildies say it happens to them as well. Granted they never hit me enough for me to go down, because I push them away.
NO powers that hurt/move a player will do that in PvE. It is NOT in the games coding for that to happen, I don't know how to make it any clearer. Its like trying to shoot at a teammate in any FPS, unless you are in hardcore...the bullets go RIGHT THROUGH.
Also, as I said, the reason why you want a DC/CW pushing the ads at the dragon heads is so you don't keep getting hit in the back while focusing on the head. How does that not ring a bell with you?
No one can be as hopeless as some people in particular seem to be....
You invariably dont get damage (except at the margins) from the ads when under the dragons head I never get a significant hit when I am there, the only health issues are when idiots forget (or neglect) to drop the appropriate shield.
And for the record this happened to to several of my guild members in tiamat yesterday one where miraculously 3 of us got in as a group, two of us were pushed off the cliff three times in succession and witnessed by the third.
Hopeless is right so I would agree with your use of the term!
Hmm!! when bowing (HR) in front of Severin I have been pushed off the edge under him when a forceful icy move is used, also I have been blown off under the dragons although I was probably mid-melee at the time .....I stand further back now!
Dragons push you themselves. When they chomp down, it pushes you. And when they use their breath, it pushes you. It is not a DC or CW that is pushing you off. Unless, as I said previously, you are in the middle of an attack that follows the ad where it goes, like Duelist Furry. Then if you are attacking and the DC/CW pushes, then yes you will go with them. But as long as you are not attacking ads at the dragon you will not get pushed, because those attacks like Duelist Furry do not follow the dragon head.
I have been pushed off of the edge at the heads and severin multiple times. I run a tank face to face with the bad guy as a gf so I don't worry about damage. I always figured it was the ads pushing me from behind somehow.....
Dragons push you, yes. Severin, I have never SEEN someone get pushed by him. Ads, some so have attacks that push you a little. But, my point was that a DC/CW IS NOT pushing anyone off of the cliffs lol. I say again, it is NOT in the games coding for that to be possible, unless you are in PvP
I agree with @mahburg about taking little to no damage when under the heads. I get right up in there with everyone under the head with my CW. I rarely drink a pot if the head hits super hard on a bite mixed with green poison fog or something like that. But usually it's no big deal with very little loss, and my health comes right back up. I leave a few ticks early if it is my turn to pop a gem at the next head. Never have any problems at all with the health thing at the heads. I don't see a reason to clear ads at the heads. They aren't effective at attacking the group. Spending time clearing them is a waste of time.
Aelwyn | SS Renegade CW | Lv 70 | ilvl 3029
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
Ok, fine, one button to clear them. Regardless, it's a moot point because you shouldn't be taking damage and getting hit in the back. It's pointless to sit back away from the group. Just run past the ads on the way to the next head. They aren't hurting anyone. No reason to clear them unless your goal is to increase the frustration and difficulty level of your Tiamat runs.
Aelwyn | SS Renegade CW | Lv 70 | ilvl 3029
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
The ads come to you while fighting the head. Its not just me seeing that or feeling them. And its not like I, or anyone, is stopping to fight the ads while going to the head. But if you are seriously saying that you never saw an ad running up to attack someone at the head, then you are blind.
So, wait, you said it yourself earlier in this thread that your TR is close and personal with the dragons and the ads aren't an issue. You know exactly what I am talking about -- it is why you should be up close and personal fighting the heads with your other toons. I fight at the heads and don't take damage from the ads and I am totally prone to taking big hits with my build. Fight up close and this discussion about pushing things at the heads is completely moot.
Aelwyn | SS Renegade CW | Lv 70 | ilvl 3029
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
I have never fought up close with any other toon aside from my TR. What DC/CW would actually want, or purposely, choose to be all up in the drag? And even with my TR, I still get ads coming right up to me and hitting me even though I am right under the dragon head.
It seems like I am talking to a brick wall. The fact of the matter is: Ads do come up and hit you whilst at the drag heads, it is not hard for a DC/CW to blow them away, so they can and SHOULD do that. If anyone honestly says that they have NEVER been hit by an ad whilst at the drag head, then those people are delusional.
You can continue to argue, but I am done with you. You can keep saying that you never see ads at heads, or that they are not an issue. But the fact is that they are there, and why not push them away to INSURE that they are not an issue. Not everyone in Tiamat has stats to survive 1 hit from some ads, those people shouldn't be in Tiamat BUT they are.
Yes the ads attack you at the heads. I think if you aren't getting attacked it's because you don't draw much aggro. My HR trapper draws a ton of aggro. If the ads are almost dead when the heads come up I'm good to go because I'll root them and go and they will most likely die. However if they are mid to full health I'll root what I can and they will chase me to the heads. Sometimes more ads will join the party along the way and the group of them will kill me while I'm attacking the heads.
It's a miracle that a dexterity build toon like rangers have the slowest movement rate. That way we can draw the aggro with our AoE damage abilities and watch all the other players leave us behind to deal with EVERY freaking ad on the map.
Glad you never have to deal with this problem acrid, but it's a problem that others have to deal with. It doesn't happen every time, but it happens. Also fox shift places me right at the chin or cheek of the head, so getting closer doesn't always work.
If you are specced correctly and have the DPS and using the right mix of powers in my case Battle Fury, Unstoppable and Restoring Strike and in front of the heads you wont be taking any significant damage.
If you are taking damage you are not right under the heads and are in the ads you are not helping the run, however this is pointless as clearly there is a fundamental difference on the key points here and we are just going round in circles.
So I am leaving this here.
If you are specced correctly and have the DPS and using the right mix of powers in my case Battle Fury, Unstoppable and Restoring Strike and in front of the heads you wont be taking any significant damage.
If you are taking damage you are not right under the heads and are in the ads you are not helping the run, however this is pointless as clearly there is a fundamental difference on the key points here and we are just going round in circles.
So I am leaving this here.
Fox shift puts you right at the target. In this case the head. If I can't run forward any further then how can I get closer to the head? Oh please tell me how I can get closer and get out of the ads. Please help me because I don't know how I can get further in front of eveyone else. Also since I'm not damaging the head then what's all those orange numbers indicate that keep popping up by the head? All this time I thought those were damage numbers.
Yes the ads attack you at the heads. I think if you aren't getting attacked it's because you don't draw much aggro. My HR trapper draws a ton of aggro. If the ads are almost dead when the heads come up I'm good to go because I'll root them and go and they will most likely die. However if they are mid to full health I'll root what I can and they will chase me to the heads. Sometimes more ads will join the party along the way and the group of them will kill me while I'm attacking the heads.
It's a miracle that a dexterity build toon like rangers have the slowest movement rate. That way we can draw the aggro with our AoE damage abilities and watch all the other players leave us behind to deal with EVERY freaking ad on the map.
Glad you never have to deal with this problem acrid, but it's a problem that others have to deal with. It doesn't happen every time, but it happens. Also fox shift places me right at the chin or cheek of the head, so getting closer doesn't always work.
I am a Hunter as well and I can testify this is truth, Right before they get the clerics to full health I've taken to doing a light wine potion from the summer fest. it helps with the run a little.
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Sure they dont which is why I can regularly without warning be sent flying from 8 foot away from the edge
And not just me anyone who was in that vicinity attacking the heads.
You carry on believing that, I will continue to believe my reality every time I get shoved off the clifftop by "something" mysterious then
Btw just to be clear we are talking about the front under the heads not the sides of the pit area.
You are 100% correct but that is not the what is being debated here
If your friend had an auto attack encounter engaged on a target that you did push off the map say bye bye to your friend as he will follow the target off the cliff .... that is the point.
Excessive use of push reduces the DPS of the group because couple of times off the cliff and I do not use that encounter which is very effective anywhere near a cliff if the DC or CW is hellbent on pushing them off the map.
I have been killed more times from this than anything at the cleric stage by far
Also, why are you attacking ads while the drag heads are up anyway? Ignore the ads at dragon head, let the DC/CW puch them off and just focus on the head...duh
Auto attack you only direct the first one to attack and the game chooses the next 4 so you direct your attack at the dragon and an ad is in the area you attack it ...duh
At the dragon stage I never use this encounter for that reason unless the DPS is needed to win and your 100% correct you need to be smart with your attacks.
That's why the DC/CW should use their push powers lol...duh
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Could be wrong on this, but 99% that Fox's Cunning only works for yourself and 1 nearby ally, as said in the description. Not as helpful for Tiamat as it sounds.
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At rank 1 your are correct.
At rank 3 it is 5 nearby allies.
Yep as I said you keep believing that, my guild has run experiments and we have seen Push powers impact players in PVE we have also seen the time compression power screw players when they are heading for ads and running at the time and be run right off the cliffs in dungeons if the server is lagging.
Unless you have run a debugger on the game or are part of the coding team you cant say with certainty this is not or cant happen.
What I am saying is a number of us have faced this and been impacted by it, using it around the dragon head is not required and to those of us going airborne with a high degree of frequency (due to whatever cause) it would be best to not use them right at the dragon head.
The dragon itself only blows you off on the left and right sides of the approach to the head, it never blows you off UNDER the head.
Therefore whatever is doing this is related to the use of push powers as the ads go flying with us when we go for a swim in the lava.
Invent stuff much?
I am not attacking the ads, I am hitting the Heads with everything I have, I did not say anyone is doing this on purpose neither did anyone else from what I can see, those of us with issues with this are just saying don't use it at the heads as it is not required and is (by whatever means) causing players to be taken out of the run by dropping them off the cliff.
Also, as I said, the reason why you want a DC/CW pushing the ads at the dragon heads is so you don't keep getting hit in the back while focusing on the head. How does that not ring a bell with you?
No one can be as hopeless as some people in particular seem to be....
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
Lily Firegrass | buffbot Iron Vanguard GF | Lv 70 | ilvl 2685
Guild: The Misfit Toys - We are recruiting active players
You invariably dont get damage (except at the margins) from the ads when under the dragons head I never get a significant hit when I am there, the only health issues are when idiots forget (or neglect) to drop the appropriate shield.
And for the record this happened to to several of my guild members in tiamat yesterday one where miraculously 3 of us got in as a group, two of us were pushed off the cliff three times in succession and witnessed by the third.
Hopeless is right so I would agree with your use of the term!
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
Lily Firegrass | buffbot Iron Vanguard GF | Lv 70 | ilvl 2685
Guild: The Misfit Toys - We are recruiting active players
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
Lily Firegrass | buffbot Iron Vanguard GF | Lv 70 | ilvl 2685
Guild: The Misfit Toys - We are recruiting active players
Eos Sindhalyn | Annointed haste DC | Lv 70 | ilvl 2500
Lily Firegrass | buffbot Iron Vanguard GF | Lv 70 | ilvl 2685
Guild: The Misfit Toys - We are recruiting active players
It seems like I am talking to a brick wall. The fact of the matter is: Ads do come up and hit you whilst at the drag heads, it is not hard for a DC/CW to blow them away, so they can and SHOULD do that. If anyone honestly says that they have NEVER been hit by an ad whilst at the drag head, then those people are delusional.
You can continue to argue, but I am done with you. You can keep saying that you never see ads at heads, or that they are not an issue. But the fact is that they are there, and why not push them away to INSURE that they are not an issue. Not everyone in Tiamat has stats to survive 1 hit from some ads, those people shouldn't be in Tiamat BUT they are.
It's a miracle that a dexterity build toon like rangers have the slowest movement rate. That way we can draw the aggro with our AoE damage abilities and watch all the other players leave us behind to deal with EVERY freaking ad on the map.
Glad you never have to deal with this problem acrid, but it's a problem that others have to deal with. It doesn't happen every time, but it happens. Also fox shift places me right at the chin or cheek of the head, so getting closer doesn't always work.
SoonerGM - HR Trapper
Haven - Righteous Cleric
Ethereal Justice - OP Paladin
If you are taking damage you are not right under the heads and are in the ads you are not helping the run, however this is pointless as clearly there is a fundamental difference on the key points here and we are just going round in circles.
So I am leaving this here.
Fox shift puts you right at the target. In this case the head. If I can't run forward any further then how can I get closer to the head? Oh please tell me how I can get closer and get out of the ads. Please help me because I don't know how I can get further in front of eveyone else. Also since I'm not damaging the head then what's all those orange numbers indicate that keep popping up by the head? All this time I thought those were damage numbers.
Oh that's right, you left lol.
SoonerGM - HR Trapper
Haven - Righteous Cleric
Ethereal Justice - OP Paladin
I am a Hunter as well and I can testify this is truth, Right before they get the clerics to full health I've taken to doing a light wine potion from the summer fest. it helps with the run a little.