Gearscore Mentality is too real

aznly92 · July 2015

Can people please stop mixing set to get the highest gearscore that they can please? I keep seeing people with 16-21k gearscore and only having like 10-13k gs stats. Just because something "new" comes out, it doesn't mean it is the best.

bluedood · July 2015

I agree a somewhat to your point. Did you ask any of them what they ran prior or think of the current set? Myself and the group I run with have all owned multiple sets and tried out different single and double builds during the climb over 16k. Yes, some people are focused on gear score only, but others are testing while still trying to progress.

aznly92 · July 2015

SW-Accursed Diabolist, HR - Royal guard or Grand warden, GWF - Avatar of war, CW- High Vizier or Shadow Weaver, TR- Swashbuckler, DC- Draconic (healer) High Prophet (debuff), GF Knight Captain (team support). Those are all the best sets that should be used and not mixing. Also seeing DPS characters using the shores jewelery set is just horrible.

raymond00713 · July 2015

So you read this off of a site and you believe these sets are the end all.. Just because so and so said that people are mixing stuff up for higher gs doesnt make it correct. Maybe check out the stats they're trying to achieve. Have you seen draconic templar slotted or even regular draconic slotted vs swash for a tr? Test things out fot your class and build yourself.

aznly92 · July 2015

I've done my research, I have tested these things out. Full swash gives you constant +1000 power/Recovery, so thats an extra +2000 stats.

raymond00713 · July 2015

Gj, recovery that's subject to diminishing returns.. so you have an extra almost 1,000 power. Now slot draconic templar with the overloads and go fight

bluedood · July 2015

My assumption is your answer is no, you did not try to have a conversation with any of the split build players.

The regular group I run with talks builds and tests quite a bit. We have a standard three CW team and tried a few combos. Sometimes people were running an alt and working up to two sets and hadn't decided on which to complete. Other times it's cool to try out new stuff like overload slots on draconic.

Perhaps if you see something odd next time, strike up a conversation and maybe they answer. MMOs are funny like that

soonergm · July 2015

I tried full set of royal guard initially. Then I opted to mix royal guard and grand warden because the bonus crit and arpen stats are far more beneficial. Yah it's a GS boost but they are the stats I need. It's not just for the sake of GS

sponsahme · July 2015

aznly92 wrote: »

SW-Accursed Diabolist, HR - Royal guard or Grand warden, GWF - Avatar of war, CW- High Vizier or Shadow Weaver, TR- Swashbuckler, DC- Draconic (healer) High Prophet (debuff), GF Knight Captain (team support). Those are all the best sets that should be used and not mixing. Also seeing DPS characters using the shores jewelery set is just horrible.

actually high prophet is best for healing and debuff, because of the lifesteal glitch

kitaar · July 2015

aznly92 wrote: »

SW-Accursed Diabolist, HR - Royal guard or Grand warden, GWF - Avatar of war, CW- High Vizier or Shadow Weaver, TR- Swashbuckler, DC- Draconic (healer) High Prophet (debuff), GF Knight Captain (team support). Those are all the best sets that should be used and not mixing. Also seeing DPS characters using the shores jewelery set is just horrible.

Kind of a blanket statement, and I assume that's what it is, as a person who has owned a full , Grand Warden , Forest Lord, Royal Guard, Draconic , and a full set of Profound PvP armor for HR and also tested things out, I can assure you, those 2 sets you listed on their own or even mixed aren't the be all and end all for everyone.. loading up on crit , power or armor pen isn't the only things to look at , especially playing a trapper style HR.

rockstargfu · July 2015

aznly92 wrote: »

SW-Accursed Diabolist, HR - Royal guard or Grand warden, GWF - Avatar of war, CW- High Vizier or Shadow Weaver, TR- Swashbuckler, DC- Draconic (healer) High Prophet (debuff), GF Knight Captain (team support). Those are all the best sets that should be used and not mixing. Also seeing DPS characters using the shores jewelery set is just horrible.

Rofl, copy and pasted off of top known guides, (you know, the 3 out thier) im a GF and tank fanatic, Draconic Templar is beast, nuff said

drexci · July 2015

what are peoples thought on running 2 DT an 2 HV for a CW?

nem3sls · July 2015

Full Draconic Templar on my 18.5 HR and my 17.8 TR and have to say that gear is awesome.

I had my experiments with(on HR) Grand Warden and Royal Guard, Swash and master Assassin(TR) and still when combining two sets sole for stats boost the full DT set beats em all.

Also those overload slots are sweet.

blindmonkeyz · July 2015

Draconic Templar is not good for Clerics, Warlocks and Wizards, its for the other classes cause of the stats it gives. It doesnt give the stats needed to the other 3 classes.

solidtrunks · July 2015

Im pro with TR and DC, every rogue that not use full swash are noobs, GS mentality only, DC is draconic for heal and Highprofet for debuff, any other combination is for gs only and not for best results... My TR have 17.6k GS and I can easily have best stats than a 20k TR

blindmonkeyz · July 2015

In my opinion gs means nothing, its just a means to enter dungeons and such. The stats is where it all is at. I have seen too many 17k gs Warlocks with 400 ArP and i just laugh. Honestly, gs should go away, and there should be soft caps that everyone should achieve. And do a score off of that. penalize players gs based on being built incorrectly. Or give bonus stat for hitting the soft caps. Something that will work out to players who put alot of time and effort into building a character that is good

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aznly92 · July 2015

I have seen too many 18-19k with only 6k power wearing full draconic templar, it doesnt matter what class you are, but that is very low, especially for GWFs.

raymond00713 · July 2015

solidtrunks wrote: »

Im pro with TR and Rogue, every rogue that not use full swash are noobs, GS mentality only, DC is draconic for heal and Highprofet for debuff, any other combination is for gs only and not for best results... My TR have 17.6k GS and I can easily have best stats than a 20k TR

Yeah you sound pro. You should give us some advice, what encounters you using? What gear do you consider BiS for rogues, like rings, neck and belt?

patsfire · July 2015

> @solidtrunks said:
> Im pro with TR and Rogue, every rogue that not use full swash are noobs, GS mentality only, DC is draconic for heal and Highprofet for debuff, any other combination is for gs only and not for best results... My TR have 17.6k GS and I can easily have best stats than a 20k TR

Please, oh great TR, would you enlighten us NOOBS as to what enchants you use in each of your gear pieces, what jewelry you use, which artifacts, and which companions? Us low life noob scrubs need as much guidance as possible.

solidtrunks · July 2015

Yeah sure, I can help, so my TR have 17,600gs, build for DPS, so, use 4 swashbuck with 4 reinforcement +100 power, imperial cloak, because our class have good armor pen, rings, you have to use ring of pain AND ring of suffering until you get Archmage Ring double slotted, use 2 of it, if you reach the cap in armor pen, stack in power, belt, use STR or DEX, its up to you, the 3% damage vs. 3% Dex/deflect, I prefer have a little bit more in DEX, because I have good STR in my dice roll. Sorry for my english because Im from Brazil.

My current stats (Trunks) Im not even full with rank 8 runestones, my TR is PVE

Offensive
10200 power (stats with Swashbuck buff)
3800 crit
2550 armorpen
2900 recovery (stats with Swashbuck buff)
Comb adv 707
Action point gain 505

Defensive
24200 HP
1500 def
500 deflect
1100 life steal
220 regen (worst stat ever for TRs, its only good for GS MENTALITY, LOL)

solidtrunks · July 2015

patsfire wrote: »

> @solidtrunks said:
> Im pro with TR and Rogue, every rogue that not use full swash are noobs, GS mentality only, DC is draconic for heal and Highprofet for debuff, any other combination is for gs only and not for best results... My TR have 17.6k GS and I can easily have best stats than a 20k TR

Please, oh great TR, would you enlighten us NOOBS as to what enchants you use in each of your gear pieces, what jewelry you use, which artifacts, and which companions? Us low life noob scrubs need as much guidance as possible.

I'm not calling you noobs, for me noobs are the GS MENTALITY players, only care about GS and not the status

bmean · July 2015

I happened to highly disagree about the draconic Templar set being bad for DC. I use it and love the 4 peice set bonus, as well as the HAMSTER load of hp it gives (makes empowered shield a lot better). It gives me, even though dps build, a more versatile build. It's not about the gear score, it's how people play with there build. I have about 1000hrs into the game and I'm 16.4k gs, sure I could add a bunch of HAMSTER to make it higher, but why? With no pvp gear at all I can still hold down a node or go get kills depending on simply switching powers..and that's with the draconic Templar set. .

solidtrunks · July 2015

bmean wrote: »

I happened to highly disagree about the draconic Templar set being bad for DC. I use it and love the 4 peice set bonus, as well as the HAMSTER load of hp it gives (makes empowered shield a lot better). It gives me, even though dps build, a more versatile build. It's not about the gear score, it's how people play with there build. I have about 1000hrs into the game and I'm 16.4k gs, sure I could add a bunch of HAMSTER to make it higher, but why? With no pvp gear at all I can still hold down a node or go get kills depending on simply switching powers..and that's with the draconic Templar set. .

High Profeth (best debuff set) > Draconic = Templar, for buff templar is better, for heal, draconic way better

solidtrunks · July 2015

nem3sls wrote: »

Full Draconic Templar on my 18.5 HR and my 17.8 TR and have to say that gear is awesome.

I had my experiments with(on HR) Grand Warden and Royal Guard, Swash and master Assassin(TR) and still when combining two sets sole for stats boost the full DT set beats em all.

Also those overload slots are sweet.

Draconic templar is a garbage for TR, compare your stats with mine and you'll see, we almost have same GS

sponsahme · July 2015

High Prophet is and always will be better even for healing (until they nerf lifesteal).

The armor debuff on the enemies is still indirectly healing your teammates as increasing their damage is directly increasing their lifesteal. That increase in lifesteal won't show up on "most health points healed" leaderboard but who gives a f***? The dungeon is getting cleared faster.

patsfire · July 2015

@solidtrunks And what Enchants, companions, and artifacts do you use, please enlighten us.

mikeyflies · July 2015

Yes. I see a lot of split set control wizards that would likely be a lot more effective running high vizier ... but 2 sets gives a higher gear score so on it goes lol.

The HUGE debuff on enemies with high vizier boosts the entire groups damage by 30% with 3 stacks (easy to achieve with steal time) which is amazing and dwarfs any personal gains you get via stats (how much power do you need to get 30% damage boost?). High Prophet for the cleric is similar but as it is a T1 set it is trickier to balance. I can only drool when thinking of tiamat runs with multiple high vizier/high prophet sets in play... (they stack with each other but not with the same type).

IMHO a CW w/o high vizier is selfish or uninformed and not playing for the team/group.

17.2 K gs CW

fluffy6977 · July 2015

mikeyflies wrote: »

Yes. I see a lot of split set control wizards that would likely be a lot more effective running high vizier ... but 2 sets gives a higher gear score so on it goes lol.

The HUGE debuff on enemies with high vizier boosts the entire groups damage by 30% with 3 stacks (easy to achieve with steal time) which is amazing and dwarfs any personal gains you get via stats (how much power do you need to get 30% damage boost?). High Prophet for the cleric is similar but as it is a T1 set it is trickier to balance. I can only drool when thinking of tiamat runs with multiple high vizier/high prophet sets in play... (they stack with each other but not with the same type).

IMHO a CW w/o high vizier is selfish or uninformed and not playing for the team/group.

17.2 K gs CW

High vizier steals 450 defense from the target. Are you perhaps talking about the shadow weaver set?

The reason you see a lot of us CWs with 2 and 2 right now is the arms and chest from Draconic Templar make it super easy to get your armor pen whee it needs to be and nets you an overload slot.

elikenui · July 2015

The debuff with the high prophet is better than the draconic templar debuff if you can get the stacks maxed. On trash clearing it doesn't make any difference because things die to fast to even get the 3 stacks on them, but on the bosses, the debuff with high prophet is a bit better but you need to keep the stacks refreshed. At 2 stacks it's about equal to the draconic templar debuff and at 1 stack it's a little worse.

drexci · July 2015

mikeyflies wrote: »

Yes. I see a lot of split set control wizards that would likely be a lot more effective running high vizier ... but 2 sets gives a higher gear score so on it goes lol.

The HUGE debuff on enemies with high vizier boosts the entire groups damage by 30% with 3 stacks (easy to achieve with steal time) which is amazing and dwarfs any personal gains you get via stats (how much power do you need to get 30% damage boost?). High Prophet for the cleric is similar but as it is a T1 set it is trickier to balance. I can only drool when thinking of tiamat runs with multiple high vizier/high prophet sets in play... (they stack with each other but not with the same type).

IMHO a CW w/o high vizier is selfish or uninformed and not playing for the team/group.

17.2 K gs CW

http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/High_Vizier

http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Control_Wizard/Epic_Gear

Gearscore Mentality is too real

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