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We're implementing some changes to Leadership on Gateway. More information here: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/9470123
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I really don't want to be speed running skirmishes during the skirmish hour, every day,every time it rolls around and dropping what I am doing to do so. It's bad enough with with only two choices of skirmish at 60+. Gods know you don't do them for the chest rewards. And the Epics esp Tuern are so buggy and laggy they're not enjoyable and not quick.
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I really hope you're going to reconsider because the current end game situation will become terrible with the next patch
Exp changes
Game difficulty
T2 dungeons are very unrewarding
No gateway leadership?
There's basicly no way to progress the game without making AD, at least before I could do it on gateway while waiting for pvp queues to come up in game!
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
2° Make EVERYTHING bound so players cant sell anything on market to produce AD.
3° Create new BiS Refinable Equips Every mod to players expend ad in things that gonna be useless.
4° Turn Artifact Drop Rate From Dungeons and HEs Realy Low.
5° Remove Leadership From the Gateway to destroy their way of lvling it up without log on the game.
Its just me that noticed this game have been goin in an extremly pay to win path?
I hope the NW Team go back with that last decision or probably we gonna see TONS of playeable bots on PE and TONS of honestly players quiting.
Thanks for making those who bot in game the real winners *thumbs up*
How are new people supposed to level up to 70 and get geared?
How am i supposed to refine my artifact equipment when it doesnt drop either refinement, or stuff to sell/trade for refinement?
Are you guys even thinking this through or did u just happen to commit to this stupid idea over the lunch break the past week?
Reconsider this, real fast. It is turning more pay2win than ever. And that is not good im afraid, i might quit. But you dont care bout that do you?
This is supposed to be DUNGEONS and dragons and you remove 80% of the playable dungeons? No way to play the game and earn AD anymore. You say your bringing them back but we have yet to see anything. New MOD still nothing about getting us back the existing content let alone new dungeons... and no way to play/run dungeons and earn AD.
The ONLY saving grace to try and keep up with the massive AD sink for what you have been adding... new artifact gear, rank 12 enchants, mythic artifacts and legendary companions was leadership on the gateway. It was easy and accessible to the average player. For the first time i am seriously considering looking elsewhere. Shame .... just shame on you...
this change wont help anything those who really want to bot will use the in game bots most other players will just quit it will not balance the game if anything it will create a bigger divide between players the ad sellers will continue in game boting and becoming rich selling ad to the few players that still play after this if you want to even have a prayer of keeping players min you will have to do is make another castle never that drops unbound bis gear that is unbound so pepl can farm it and sell it on the ah you will also have to make the dragon hoard drop like they use to even if it is still bound and you will need to really fix the leveling so its no longer do all the quests in the new areas and only hit lvl 67. So now you have it that people cant lvl up they cant make ad and that double ad weekend will not relive it at all i personally use gateway so i can do my leadership while i am at work using my phone so please think twice about this change.
Also I honestly do not like the profession interface ingame. Even while I am playing the game I keep the gateway open on my other screen because it is much better. I just put a decent amount of money into the game getting the dragonborn legends pack two days ago and now I regret it. I am worried I just spent money on a soon to be dead game. This is going to cost a lot of players.
This is punishing the players for having poor quality programmers.
Hmm... well STO is having a bonus Dilithium weekend too... you know what.. I think that's where I'll be this weekend.
At least in STO I can get dilithium from a great many sources, as opposed to the limited sources and measly amounts of AD in Neverwinter.
Over the past few months, you've decimated the ability to progress gear. You killed the drop rate of refinement items for reasons that are unfathomable and were never explained. Then you made a snap change without considering the consequences and made it WAY TOO easy. Then you hamstrung it again...Slap ouch. You raised the time it takes to complete leadership tasks to effectively make them less profitable....slap ouch. You made the best PvP gear in the game (the stuff that takes weeks of dedicated effort to grind out AND waste tons of resources investing in Black Ice to level 5 to get and make) and you GIVE IT AWAY. Now you decide to make the gateway a much less useful tool for those of us who access it from work to try to get AD. You guys are making some AMAZINGLY poor decisions from a PR and gameplay perspective. Coupled with your inability to produce well planned, tested and executed updates, you guys should be bending over backwards to keep folks happy, NOT alienating your core.
What this change won't do is stop farming from the professionals. They will simply modify the tools they have been using in other MMOs for years will now consume even more server resources by constantly logging in and out to tend to their farms. You think the daily evening lag spikes are bad now? imagine them around the clock as the servers are treated to a steady load of mindless bots logging in, logging out, logging in, logging out...
I urge you to reconsider this change. You need help in coming up with a solution to the problem, LAY OUT THE PROBLEM AS YOU SEE IT AND ASK THE COMMUNITY FOR SUGGESTIONS. Contrary to what zone chat makes it appear, there are some very smart folks who play the game and would love to see it stay around. Don't keep shafting the folks who like your game...ultimately, you guys are the ones who end up suffering.
Rank 4 enchant stacks are worth 2k each. So will people farm inside the game? Of course they will. Will it ruin the economy just as badly as gateway bots? Absolutely, what will change? Players lose a convenient way of doing things and pisses off a majority of your player base.
Really, how in the world is that a good decision ?
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
More threads by me / Click on it
My Support Warlock/Temptation Thread
As a simple and straightforward suggestion, I'd be perfectly happy with would be to e.g. double the "baseline" quests (Fight off Spellplagued, Collect Taxes e.g.) - in running time AND reward. Especially if it would happen as an additional task option. Cycle your chars to reassign tasks every 12 hours instead of every six - who'd complain there? Introducing alternative regular (i.e. non-rare) tasks at a decent AD/h level with running times of 10-12 could bridge that gap, too...
Another way this could be handled would IMHO be the possibility of queueing tasks.
I can, however, understand the cynical scepticism reigning in this discussion, based on prior, recent experiences...
...the case of the Dragon's Hoard Enchantments' nerf comes to mind, where we got two 2x RP weekends so far in 3 months. Meh. Somehow this bodes not all too well...
Dittos, dittos and dittos. I had my own rant but this is so on target it bears being quoted over and over. This is bigger than just the Gateway issue, as Forgottenshado so eloquently points out.
But then people can't really convert Zen to AD's much any more because the AD exchange is mostly down.
People can apparently still buy AD's from third party vendors but seems to be frowned upon...
I had level 60 Epic gear before the upgrade to Mod 6 and there was no real need for excessive amounts of AD's because my gear was good, my enchantments and runes were sufficient and besides I could pick up more and better gear and stones by questing - by myself if there was no other alternative...
Then comes Mod 6.
Dungeons are shut down.
My gear is worthless, my weapons are worthless, my enchantments and runes are next to worthless and the difficulty level has been jacked up so high that there is no longer any solo questing in many areas and even with a party there is only a marginal chance of success unless a person already has the some of the best armor, weapons and enchantments available and the only way to obtain those items, only alternative most people have is to attempt to gather massive amounts of AD's just to be able to continue to play Neverwinter.
So I'm walking around with mostly crappy gear, trying to survive as many encounters, skirmishes and dungeons as I can to try to get enough AD's so as to not be repeatedly killed trying to complete a single quest...
If you ask me it seems people are creating their own monsters, then complaining when there are monsters.
just my opinion.
I am STUCK with a CW cause it is IMPOSSIBLE to gear more than one char!!!!! I spent the last 12 MONTHS building up characters to get to the point where I can bring in enough AD to upgrade stuff on ONE character....... you are making this NOT FUN !!
Shado is one of my favorite people in game and in my guild. This is why. He doesn't just see the approach of the game through tunnel vision, but he looks at is just as more of a web. Tweak this part here, that happens over there. You guys seriously think the latest news article *cough*Bandaid*cough* is fixing the community's feelings over the issue? I hope you see that the multiple threads going prove very well that it doesn't. The rest of our players aren't going to appreciate the loss of gateway, due to the issues I've already laid out, and Shado has so succinctly reiterated.
For anyone who didn't understand what I said:
TL;DR: Yes, that. Bad Plan.
Leadership can be automated in-game. No big issue. Botters are not stopped. Legit players are pissed off though.
It's the legit players paying your bills. Keep driving away legit players. What will eventually happen is obvious.
The only thing you seem to be doing is to raise more and more paywalls. Artifacts, artifact equipment, Strongholds (I don't see any point even trying out Strongholds - our guild will never be able to pass the paywalls). At the same time a lot of unpopular decisions keep driving players away.
I started playing about two years ago. I had a lot of fun playing this game. But the fun has stopped. Too much grind for nothing. To many decision against the players. Maybe the time has finally come to move on.
At the current price of items (12 mil for some trans enchants), it takes over 1 year to get that much at 24k AD per day. The prices will not come down much because items like Coal wards and GMOPs are all at pretty much fixed rates. Its understandable that the company wants to make money from Zen sales, but if people had to buy half as much there would probably be 4x as many players. People want to feel like they are progressing, even if you make it to the point that they cannot fully become best in slot without buying zen. Many of those extra players would buy zen. More players = more purchases. 5k people paying 20 bucks each is still less than 20k people paying 10 bucks each. Also many paying players leave to play more active games. People do not want to sit in a queue for 20 minutes because there are not enough players. 1 year at the starndard 24k AD per day for just 1 item is not free to play. A person who is severely undergeared with no possible in game way of upgrading will not play long and quits, leading to the payers quitting. More money can be made by making players happy and growing the player base than trying to squeeze what you can out of current players.
Collective punishment because a few jackasses are using BOTS????
Gateway Leadership is the only thing that's kept me interested in keeping up with the game. Since it's done, so am I.
$&?@*$ off!
This will never ever happen... because it may be used by botters too.
Anything that may help legit players, that will make their lifes easier, will not be implemented because it will also help botters. I'd rather expect them too take other things away from us in the future. Our game life will get harder. And even more tedious and boring.
The botters doesnt mind, because they will do it ingame or find other ways.
Thx Cryptic for this epic fail
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