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Fighting Tiamat is making me feel like I'm wasting my time with this game
cactusjackter
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Seriously. Time is a premium. Where's the motivation fighting Tiamat where you have a high chance of being grouped with people who a) don't know what they're doing or b) have nowhere near enough quality to do the job they need to be doing?
The 20 minutes I spend in there per hour is really starting to be time I may as well spend elsewhere. That way I'll have fun and I won't feel like I'm just wasting time.
You need to let us party up. You need to let multiple parties join together. You need to raise the gear score.
I don't mind losing, but I do mind being put in with a team not even good enough to take down one dragon head within the time limit. My motivation for this game is seriously, seriously waning because of this.
The 20 minutes I spend in there per hour is really starting to be time I may as well spend elsewhere. That way I'll have fun and I won't feel like I'm just wasting time.
You need to let us party up. You need to let multiple parties join together. You need to raise the gear score.
I don't mind losing, but I do mind being put in with a team not even good enough to take down one dragon head within the time limit. My motivation for this game is seriously, seriously waning because of this.
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If players spent more time calling out useful info rather than clutterring the zone with the turgid nonsense about low GS and Owen is god (endless repeats), maybe people would learn faster?
My two cents
I understand the deep frustrations of those of you who came from PC to XBONE with this, however the XBOX community is used to plug and play with staged complexity and lots of help files and training routines to walk them through games, also the communties tend to have history in similar types of games (cod being a perfect example).
This is a completely different mindset and a lot of players wont get it and will ditch it, a lot of them will stick with it if the community helps out by recognising that for many players it is likely the first game of its genre they have ever played.
The idiots on the zone and the booting and looting is not going to help anyone through the transition imho!
I saw one person posting helpful advice about what to do against Tiamat the other day and everyone else was busy having a go at everyone with GS of less than 15K ...
You need to accept that if you're working your way slowly towards your goals that you can't just jump ahead and hope other people will carry you to them.
Also, it's pretty easy to get to 12k+ without spending any "$$$" at all. But the main problem isn't the gearscore, it's people who don't know how to use their characters, or have set them up and armed them poorly. I have a friend who thinks being a Great Weapon Fighter is all about holding Right Trigger and nothing else. Needless to say, I don't raid or Dungeon with him.
Cactus is 100% right on the issue of knowing how to set up and use a character properly. I'll admit that when I first started playing, I made the character the way I wanted to, and it sucked! Once you read some build guides and take some time to understand how stats work, the game becomes much, much more enjoyable. Unfortunately, a casual player isn't likely to seek out the information required so we either have to teach them in-game (OTJ training?) or PW needs to raise the GS requirement.
The price of T2 pieces has crashed recently, if you do your dailies, some skirmishes and dungeon runs, it won't take that long to get the right set pieces that will not only increase your GS, but will make you more viable in timed fights like Tiamat.
You just have to many idiots assuming we don't have enough gs and camp. Making it impossible to win. And I don't see why you as developers make a game based on grouping up and clanning then make one of the main boss ungroupable. What crack were you smoking when you came up with that decision.
On a serious note Tiamat for me last night was torture, on one go we only managed to get one dragon head low enough but as the time had diminished so much people stopped fighting so we didn't even get a 2nd try at the dragons! On other goes we just failed miserably! Ah well its still fun and more peeps will click on as to what they have to do.
https://youtube.com/channel/UCHpxPsGP_kfPXaW622qSXyA
Don't get so sensitive, if you are the exception to the rule, good for you and let me know what instance you are in next time as I would love to know your rotation/strategies so I can help all the other low-scorers to up their game. Hey, if you are doing that well, can you share with us all some of the secrets of beating Tiamat? I guess maybe we are all just missing something because if you have done it, then I'm sure everyone with a low gear score can.
I have done more than ten runs prepared with three or four loaded instructions to blast out in say at an attempt to organize...most completed...most had very little of the afformentioned shenanigans like camping or gem use. My last few runs I have just gone in to see if anyone else would step up and lead. We cannot change the gs requirement the devs have set, we can increase our chances by communicating a little.
The last run I tried to organize had a CW who took the time to spam #stfu snap during the start...that same person made a call to change the strategy and kill early...we failed. I saw him three more runs after, and he/she was one of those people spewing nonsense about dc while not trying to be helpful with anything else. All runs with this person failed. Last night I saw him and for the first time checked GS, over 15k, left the instance to join another. GS does not equal success.
Who here will accept the challenge to try and be more of a raid leader(in a sense) and less of a raid participant?
Low gear score = a player doesn't have enough stats in ALL areas to be very helpful. Yes some players can do debuff, buffs etc etc to help other players no matter the gearscore but when people have no defence there a glass canon so are just an accident waiting to happen in there. Or they have a mixed bag of stats which add up to not as much, (ie no armour pen/crit/power) that amounts to not much more than a meat shield for a short period.
NO grouping when inside Tiamat, this is my bane. I am a tank we have one move which imo is a must to help ALL the players in there group (it only works if we are grouped). It is Into the Fray, it buffs action point gain, damage and speed aswell as a small temp hit point gain to all. So PLEASE group in 5 x 5 if you can as im sure there maybe other class'es that have a buff etc etc that can and only works when grouped.
Knowledge and common sense for effecientcy when something goes wrong or not to what your used to.
Example you are having a great Tiamat run you have done the first wave you have the black/green down and red halfway + and on the 2nd wave it goes all wrong and you only get the white down 25%.
Now there are a few options
Leave because its not where it should be (which happens)
ALL stay and push on and start at white and work backwards.
Or this is a far out idea but it will all depend on the timer left which is to get white down to the 15-20% area and then stop and go back to any of the other dragons that have gone back to 25% and knock them down a little and go for a 4th wave. Sounds far fetched but its IS possible and I have done it once with a group who DIDNT give up and had some knowledge that it is possible. (for those who want to know the 3rd wave popped up with 7mins left so the 2 mins you have on the dragons = 5 mins left - 3 mins to keep the clerics clears and up and the final 2mins on 4th wave). Yes its a gamble.
I do do this. I have:
Don't forget to grab and equip the dragon souls
for the start.
Help left
Help center
Help right
for the clerics.
Start black
Start red
Start white
for the heads (start white in case we don't fully take her health down on the second wave)
and then:
where the hell was the white soul?
for when everybody gets frozen because nobody picked up the damn white soul.
That is very inaccurate. You can pad your gear score with useless stats "in all areas" making you appear more useful than you really are. That shoots your mixed bag theory out the window as well, they can use various items to get a "mixed bag" of stats that make their GS higher not lower. As an example, I can get a much higher gear score using 2 + 2 set bonus for armor. However, it is much more useful to my build to use a full set bonus. Another example would be a DPS class choosing an item that gives say 450 defense vs one that gives 350 power. Sure you are going to get a higher GS but is it worth it and does it make your build better? Doubtful. The real trick is to get your stats properly distributed for the build you are going for, not getting a higher GS thinking that makes you more efficient when it clearly does not. As I have said before myself and others consistently out perform people with a higher GS who have their stats placed inefficiently.
GT: b0red gamer
GT: b0red gamer
Thats like saying my stats are wrong because im a 16.7k GS tank but I have 6.5k power 2.3k armour pen 1.1k crit (a by product of some of my armour/clothing that I have no real choice tbh but is a small bonus imo). But I only have 3.5k defence and 2.3k deflect. So I am a hybrid, I can do ALL daillies solo and without it being a time issue.
But I also know "HOW" my class works, what feats and powers I have and when I am grouped what is the "BEST" setup for not just me but the group. Yes there is a place for tanks in Tiamat and imo that is for the buffs/debuffs (I DO NOT use the knights valor). But a tank that does no damage in Tiamat could be taken as a waste as all they can do is hold the mobs off the clerics but no DPS to the heads. I can do both so am imo a better option. But I am not a glass canon that some other classes builds but I know when I first started I learnt about my class and read up and then adapted my player style to that of my class and first made sure I could do my "Job" in the game and then secondly made sure that I could also do other things, ie some DPS which would help speed up "ANY" dungeon/area that I was doing either solo with a friend or a whole group.
It really doesn't. No class should be getting one-hit by trash mobs. DPS classes need to be able to take a couple of hits. There's nothing more annoying than a DPS who spends half his time needing to be picked up.
Djionicsxb1, it is good to know the ins and outs or your class and to experiment with what works for you or your build. What works for you may not work for someone else and stacking one stat over another may be detrimental to making your class/build effective.
GT: b0red gamer
GT: b0red gamer
If people are bad enough to not manage to avoid the white dragon's blatantly telegrahped attack you were destined to fail anyway. The only gems that are really needed are green and black.
Lykopis - GWF
Embrace the cashgrab
I cant comment on the builds of some other classes but I know that getting your build right means some reading and learning how that class works. There is always "primary" stats are the most important but adding other "secondary" stats are just important IMHO when your gearscore is lowish and still important when you go up GS due to diminishing returns on some stats. So hitting what I call the basic min you need to be "rounded" is better than being a glass canon at low score and the same goes for higher GS players who have tried to be the "DPS" killer but all they are without there mates/cleric saving there <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> in the normal guild runs etc etc are now glass canons who dont know how to play when the <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> hitting the fan, which Tiamat can be for any class.
I think it all comes down to the old sayings "Knowledge is power" and "There is no I in team"
GT: b0red gamer
Since there was never a reply regarding the function of life steal, I will clear it up so there is no misconception. Currently your life steal stat has a percentage, that is the percent of damage you deal that is returned as health. So, if you have 60% life steal it returns 60% of the damage you do as health. So the more damage you pump out, the more health that returns to you.
When mod 6 arrives on the Xbox the function changes. The percent of life steal will be your chance of gaining health based on the damage dealt and will be affected by the newly introduced life steal severity. So if your life steal is 60%, instead of returning 60% of all damage dealt as health, it has a 60% chance to return 100% or more of the damage dealt as health. Just in case anyone else reading this was confused or mislead by the mechanics of life steal.
GT: b0red gamer
But there is me
Seriously though, I have tried to be a leader, but until we can group up to ensure that our instance is trying for victory rather than just exploring some interesting new content, it will be a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>-shoot....invest 20 minutes of your time and there is a better than average chance you will walk away with some nice enchants and a Dragon's Horde Coin Purse.