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Whats everyone's opinion on Tiamat so far?
sobritish1
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I want to try get together everyone's views on how it's going so far, some might say it's early days but many people have actually done there research and had past experience of Tiamat.
From the 4 runs we have done so far, i've noticed there is a strategy in place which maybe 40% of the people are following but still things are all over the place. Then there is another 40% which are still trying to understand but not quite there yet.
The other 20% are people who i think are not sure what they're doing and are not turning on Zone chat to find out.
My Personal Opinion anyway..
I think soon it will all pan out and things will go fine but i think damage output will be an issue overall as it is a very timed dungeon and you need to be prepared to know whats ahead. This is why i think we should raise the Gearscore slightly. Not because 'Oh hes low gearscore, he won't be any good' not like that at all but for the fact this is a dungeon where time is very precious and having people who have their heads around the game, maybe at the 14-15k mark seems more feasible for something so time orientated.
We have shores at 13500 which is quite suitable however Temple of tiamat is 20x as hard yet it's set at 10,000.
Each run i've noticed people are getting more organised and my last run it was near perfect just not enough DPS yet again.
Would love to hear the Communities opinions on how it's going so far and your views on what you think could/needs to happen.
Josh.
From the 4 runs we have done so far, i've noticed there is a strategy in place which maybe 40% of the people are following but still things are all over the place. Then there is another 40% which are still trying to understand but not quite there yet.
The other 20% are people who i think are not sure what they're doing and are not turning on Zone chat to find out.
My Personal Opinion anyway..
I think soon it will all pan out and things will go fine but i think damage output will be an issue overall as it is a very timed dungeon and you need to be prepared to know whats ahead. This is why i think we should raise the Gearscore slightly. Not because 'Oh hes low gearscore, he won't be any good' not like that at all but for the fact this is a dungeon where time is very precious and having people who have their heads around the game, maybe at the 14-15k mark seems more feasible for something so time orientated.
We have shores at 13500 which is quite suitable however Temple of tiamat is 20x as hard yet it's set at 10,000.
Each run i've noticed people are getting more organised and my last run it was near perfect just not enough DPS yet again.
Would love to hear the Communities opinions on how it's going so far and your views on what you think could/needs to happen.
Josh.
NW Xbox - Howie
Class - Control Wizard
GT - Howie EU
Class - Control Wizard
GT - Howie EU
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Class - Control Wizard
GT - Howie EU
One tip, if you fall don't keep pinging for someone to pick you up. It's wasted dps for the person who has to pick you up and the time you spend on the ground. Just eat the death and run back. Only time it's really acceptable is when there are a lot of people around you to pick you up. Some people might complain they don't want to buy injury kits because they cost too much. If you farm Well of Dragons, you should make plenty of gold to cover those.
We beat it too with 2 min left and the black dragons health bar at zero just stayed up through the cleric respawn into defeat. I wonder if I was in your fight or if this is super common.
Been a terrible mess of lag, insulting players typing more than fighting, and bugged wins into loses. If you running business class internet, playing 40 hours a week like NW is a job so you can hit an "acceptable" GS, or if you win, you still may lose....
Summary - huge waste of time right now. I suppose waiting for bug fixes and that dos bump from the offhand might be the only way to stay sane.
https://youtube.com/channel/UCHpxPsGP_kfPXaW622qSXyA
There should be a progressively harder requirement to reach, otherwise people will just skip the other stuff because they don't need the gear in those dungeons to run an encounter that will get them better gear.
I agree with you, people are talking, raging, and insulting others more than fighting. Does anyone understand why under 13k+ GS players even attempt Tiamat? To show off? To try to get the best gear as quickly as possibly because some people like to loot & boot in dungeons? Because they can't afford the T1 Gear in the auction house? Who knows it's all a matter of personal situation, for me I'm sort of a new player (been playing for 4 weeks now) and I'm still trying to get a handle on things in-game. I have a GS of 10k+ on my Lv 60 Hunter Ranger but I tried Tiamat once to see how it is for myself and I did watch youtube vids on what strategy to use and I did listen to the players that were actually being helpful and give the proper instructions and not insulting players that had under 13k+ GS. Honestly I'd stay far away from Tiamat until the bugs are fixed and people have beaten it on the Xbox One to give a proper strategy on their own time.
About five minutes prior in party chat we all put up these two items...
Group up for team buffs. Pick a color and get that gem to equip. Black and white defend clerics on side, all others to the center cleric. Keep enemies away from clerics, use knockback.
Get heads to 25%, do not kill. Go black to white. Kill heads after third wave.
As a community if we have more people trying to coordinate, there will be more completed runs.
All that being said I know there is a huge difference between a 12k GS with an Ioun stone and one with out, with a normal or greater weapon enhancement and one with none, or even just one using the right feats / powers and one that put points where ever he thought might be fun and now is bottom dps in every dungeon but insists he is a big help lol.
Oh and unless something changed and I missed it (definitely possible so feel free to correct me) all those CWs giving up 4pc high viz to get the extra 450 stats are doing it wrong. from what I read high viz is BiS till like mod 7 due some nuance in the way mobs defense and the calculations used to calc their dmg reduction due to it.
Hopefully they fix this lag issue, because it's seriously turning me off the game. Even simple things like logging in, I'll get the buzzing lag and boot to dash. Trying to invoke causes lag pockets. Attempting to play? not a chance. I'll crash to dash just walking across WoD. And now this experience with Tiamat where it was just one 25 minute lagfest.
I'm an HR trapper and have been topping DPS charts over 14k+ players since I was 10k GS. That tells me that a lot of these people complaining are really the problem.. they think they are good because of that GS. And it's unlikely that it's anyone on these forums because if you are here then chances are you've researched how spec your toon.
I'm at 13700 GS now + Ioun Stone and at this point when I increase my stats it really doesn't improve much in battle. I'm pretty sure my biggest improvement at this point will come from a high end weapon enchantment.
SoonerGM - HR Trapper
Haven - Righteous Cleric
Ethereal Justice - OP Paladin
It's not the gear either. GS also doesn't matter if the person controlling the character isn't very good at the game. You don't have to be good at the game to get a high GS (because I'll bet there were a lot of people who shoved money at PW, Cryptic, and MS to buy Zen, convert it to Astral Diamonds, then went and bought the best armor they could find, a bunch of enchantments, Marks, Coalescent Wards, and goodness knows what else.)
When you can buy yourself to the top, why should GS matter when pretty much ANYONE can get it if they put out the money for it? (I still don't understand why anyone would put money into a free to play game. Lord knows I didn't but I'm doing alright for myself.)
What I think they should do is treat Tiamat like a dungeon, no time limit, maybe a queuing system if possible, and something to regulate how many people choose which gem (we had a bunch of people just choose black and that was the only head everyone went after once Tiamat rose). Just you, and goodness knows how many others who have gone in with you fighting Tiamat.
I honestly think twenty minutes is a bit of a crunch for having to beat the most evil creature in the Nine Hells. I mean, when you have to beat all five heads to kill it, twenty minutes is kinda pushing it in my opinion.
I don't think anyone is saying that GS is the ONLY thing that matters....but it does matter. First your GS is a function of the STATS on your armor, not just the rarity. you can get a ring from the Pegasus vendor with 478 crit on it and that will raise your GS 478 points last I checked which is more than any T1 epic ring which have 399 stat points allocated to them iirc.
Now as far is ability being the only factor that matters (not saying you are saying this, but disregarding gear...what else is there?) if your stats / build is such that even optimally played you cant put up your share of the dmg then no amount of skill is gonna make up for that shortcoming. similarly no amount of gear is gonna make up for charging a dragon head solo and dying to it repeatedly. You need all of it; skill, gear, and proper spec.
EDIT: just wanted to add that I really don't think the 14-16k minimum that some are asking for is really necessary but given that all tiamat groups are PuGs and so generally highly unorganized (largely due to not every1 having a keyboard hooked to their xbox) higher than truly necessary GSs help a lot....most of my successes were largely due to heads getting slammed from 100 to 20% in about 20-30 secs.
you are wrong...no need GS?
i have a question...epic lair of lostmouth, epic shore need 13k GS. normal is 10.5k.
why? why? because of powerful mobs, boss.
almost over 13k gs players have understood game system. high dps, class
10k users? no...if they understood game system, will buy t2 item in AH.
10k is very low GS.
epic lostmouth require GS 13K, time= infinty time.
tiamat require GS 10k, time= 20minute.
which is difficult for lostmouth, tiamat?
no need GS? okay...everyone take off your epic weapon,armor..equip green,blue item.
make 10k...kill the tiamat
The worst runs I have had so far were where nobody said anything and we all assumed everyone was on board with the standard tactic. If you are lucky enough to have people in game chat who are talking and the game chat is working properly, it is easy to make adjustments on the fly.
The best were ones where somebody tried to coordinate the run. Where people added helpful things to coordination(i.e. remember to potion up, don't fight on the clerics). A few of those runs failed, but more than half made it and worked extremely well. Expect some to be on the wire and the wins will be a sweeter victory.
I will admit it makes me mad when I see people sitting at the campfire or just yelling help far away from the group when it would be faster to just release and kit. The best way I know to affect that is to give clear instructions at the start and offer help to group in voice chat for newcomers. People who just yell out negative things in chat without looking to themselves on what they can do to bring change are adding to the problem imho.
-Snap
Okay, look. GS means nothing. This is so tiring having to explain over and over again. On the PC GS is gone and for good reason. It is not an accurate representation of the efficiency of your character. If you pad your GS with equipment that does not make you more effective then what is the point? I have witnessed people with 16 - 20k GS get out done by people with 12 - 13k GS. Lastly, having over 13k GS does not in any way mean that person understands the game mechanics.
GT: b0red gamer