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Faar Faar Away from the Swarm (IWD HE) !

schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
edited June 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
So my friends/guild mates decided we do some Bigger HE's in IWD away from the Zerg Swarm .

We have done a few more then 100 and it was total not rewarding vs minor HE's .
10 min for 3000 rp or better 18 min for 8000 rp and nothing more.

Devs say to us they will increase BI gloves dropp chance but we have done ower 100 epic HE in IWD w/o 1 single gloves this with 5 ppl so 500/1 not even 0.2% chance ? Its even exist i mean the new lvl 70 version ?

But we got a few tribe skin BOP why maked it bop? It was alway BOE and so it say the CTL+J collection window.

Why ?

Feel free to post your IWD /DV Epic HE problems here!
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  • rebellionstuffrebellionstuff Member Posts: 237 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2015
    schweifer1982 wrote: »
    So my friends/guild mates decided we do some Bigger HE's in IWD away from the Zerg Swarm .

    We have done a few with and it was total not rewarding vs minor HE's .
    10 min for 3000 rp or better 18 min for 8000 rp and nothing more.

    Devs say to us they will increase BI gloves dropp chance but we have done ower 100 epic HE in IWD w/o 1 single gloves this with 5 ppl so 500/1 not even 0.2% chance ? Its even exist i mean the new lvl 70 version ?

    But we got a few tribe skin BOP why maked it bop? It was alway BOE and so it say the CTL+J collection window.

    Why ?

    Feel free to post your IWD Epic HE problems here!

    ive gotten gloves a couple times. and some of the skins arent bop but its never the skin for your class. i got hr off hand and it was boe. got the orb and it was bop
  • santralafaxsantralafax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I think BI gloves are a myth.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    schweifer1982 wrote: »
    But we got a few tribe skin BOP why maked it bop? It was alway BOE and so it say the CTL+J collection window.

    No, they appeared to be always BoP and for a random class at IWD launch, then this was relaxed so that they sometimes dropped BoE, but still not always. No idea if you can still sometimes get BoE ones. It is lame and they should all be BoE if they're going to be random.

    Hammerstone items also drop for random classes but as far as I know are always BoE.
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  • sangrinesangrine Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I have completed 20 Black Ice Beholders. always great success.
    no black ice gloves.
  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    My other problem was in 10 min assimilated into the swarm you can get 40 k RP w/o any problem you dont get killed by a brutal barbarian chiftain or from remo the one shoter and you will not smashed to the ground by mighty giants .

    Swarm zero risk 100% rewarding but total boooooooring. It really feal like you are the mindless zergling.

    OUT of the swarm Epic (HE) 100% risk to die with almost zero reward vs the swarm. It really have a funny feeling i enjoyed it until the swarm saw we are killing the final boss they came and eat it in 10sec. :)

    BTW this beauty
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    was so tough tiamat shoud be ashamed to have such a low hp bar.

    40 ppl barley do it in time .

    When we started it with 10 ppl it was the feeling i figth tiamat solo :) it was the best game experience in game ever sadly i got 9,5 k rp with Great Succes ofc nothing more.

    So we dont find the
    • Icewind Dale: Heroic Encounters now also award Refinement Stones. Awards range from 1,000 Refinement Points for small Heroic Encounters all the way up to 11,000 for the most challenging ones.

    11k RP from what HE will we get it ?
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  • schweifer1982schweifer1982 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,662 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    sangrine wrote: »
    I have completed 20 Black Ice Beholders. always great success.
    no black ice gloves.

    Dwarven valley dont dropp gloves only BI main weapon.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    schweifer1982 wrote: »
    Dwarven valley dont dropp gloves only BI main weapon.

    They don't drop BI main weapon any more as stated in the patch note. So, what are they going to drop in DV?
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
    "If if that was the case, if it was something then I probably was chasing. I would have never gotten it. That was the whole point, if you chase something, then sometimes you never get it. uh huh if you put forth to work and all the attitude, next you know it's bestowed upon you." -- Michael Jordan
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    plasticbat wrote: »
    So, what are they going to drop in DV?

    Epic item will now be limited to a random piece of Hammerstone equipment or a crafting item, instead of also a chance at the BI weapon. Same as before but with one item removed.
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  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    rebellionstuff wrote: »
    ive gotten gloves a couple times. and some of the skins arent bop but its never the skin for your class. i got hr off hand and it was boe. got the orb and it was bop

    Same as the Dread Ring skirmish reward. Do we see a pattern here? Do these drops have any meaningful purpose?

    santralafax wrote: »
    I think BI gloves are a myth.

    Well, they do exist. Among 6 chars done with IWD I got one pair...
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    schweifer1982 wrote: »
    So we dont find the
    • Icewind Dale: Heroic Encounters now also award Refinement Stones. Awards range from 1,000 Refinement Points for small Heroic Encounters all the way up to 11,000 for the most challenging ones.

    11k RP from what HE will we get it ?

    One more big run tonight .... It appears they are going to reduce IWD HE reward in the patch tomorrow.
    *** The game can read your mind. If you want it, you won't get it. If you don't expect to get it, you will. ***
    "If if that was the case, if it was something then I probably was chasing. I would have never gotten it. That was the whole point, if you chase something, then sometimes you never get it. uh huh if you put forth to work and all the attitude, next you know it's bestowed upon you." -- Michael Jordan
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Yep, as of tomorrow:
    "Icewind Dale: Heroic Encounter rewards have been reduced."

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  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    congratulation cryptic, you screwed normal players again over farmers (who already farmed much) unbelievable

    "Icewind Dale: Heroic Encounter rewards have been reduced."

    reduced to what? white pearl? omg
  • smellykuntismellykunti Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    vinceent1 wrote: »
    congratulation cryptic, you screwed normal players again over farmers (who already farmed much) unbelievable

    "Icewind Dale: Heroic Encounter rewards have been reduced."

    reduced to what? white pearl? omg

    What cryptic gives, cryptic can take away.

    Must be a new crop of interns.
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Personally... I think the proper solution was to make those things ABoP rather than reduced. If they were to change the drops, I would suggest making it all ABoP, making only Peridots on normals, then doubling the existing rewards for the blue HEs and triple the rewards for Epics so that people have incentive to do those again. Making it all bound will eliminate the bots other than maybe those farming for themselves. People will still farm them, but it will be much less lucrative since it's for personal use, so there won't be the same death squad approach which is frankly just stupid the way it is now - it really should come as no shock that some action was taken.

    However, like I said, the correct action IMO isn't to reduce the drops but rather (at the least) make them account bound instead.

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  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    very disrespectfull, open several days refinement window and than close it. CANT MANAGE THE GAME LIKE THIS!!!!
    finally new players had a way to catch up, stay at game. dont have anymore i think. they should make it BOA, i dont want to sell it, i want only refine gear for my crippled archery ranger....

    we really need strum to give us bigger picture about refinement future. what about pvp event.? is occasionally briliant still in game?
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  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    shadw2012 wrote: »
    Well , its the communities own fault to be honest. When not alot of RP was not dropping, everyone b-tched, so they had IWD drop RP. Then, guess what, the forums b-tched, "oh too much is dropping", now they nerfed it. Good,I'm glad they did it, i swear you players need to make your minds up.

    this is nice. you have probably already enough to be BIS. Enjoy your dominance! so newbies out of game, alts out of game again.
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kvet wrote: »
    If they were to change the drops, I would suggest making it all ABoP, making only Peridots on normals, then doubling the existing rewards for the blue HEs and triple the rewards for Epics so that people have incentive to do those again.

    I don't have any preferences with regard to the binding behavior of HE RP. I personally never sell the stuff, just use it.

    I would love to see the major and epic HEs balanced to make players actually consider the risk/reward ratio to be worth doing. They didn't need to be nerfed, and just nerfing the minor ones isn't going to make players decide that the majors and epics are worth their time... they'll just move on to whatever is most profitable.
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  • quspivquspiv Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    These rewards should never come from HE buy dailies instead. Wouldnt be so much issues nor lags.
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    vinceent1 wrote: »
    very disrespectfull, open several days refinement window and than close it. CANT MANAGE THE GAME LIKE THIS!!!!
    finally new players had a way to catch up, stay at game. dont have anymore i think. they should make it BOA, i dont want to sell it, i want only refine gear for my crippled archery ranger....

    we really need strum to give us bigger picture about refinement future. what about pvp event.? is occasionally briliant still in game?

    Hm, I'd say the "open window" was a mistake. I think they underestimated the effect it would have and they didn't consider the ramifications of... erm... non-human influence on things. Again - I think the easiest solution would have been to make the rewards bound rather than reduced. I'd agree on the bigger picture thing - as I mentioned in the "Neverwinter Elemental Evil Upcoming Changes and Roadmap" thread earlier today, that post has gotten pretty stale and we're due an update on the overall progress at this point.

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  • smellykuntismellykunti Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    kvet wrote: »
    Hm, I'd say the "open window" was a mistake. I think they underestimate the effect it would have and they didn't consider the ramifications of... erm... non-human influence on things. Again - my think the easiest solution would have been to make the rewards bound rather than reduced. I'd agree on the bigger picture thing - as I mentioned in the "Neverwinter Elemental Evil Upcoming Changes and Roadmap" thread earlier today, that post has gotten pretty stale and we're due an update on the overall progress at this point.

    and they did that with DHEs then totally screwed it up. are these guys in a loop?
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  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    cant imagine someone just arrive from 2 weeks vacation. he should only shot himself to the knee now. i am really wondering now what reduce reward mean. if it reduce peridot reward to pearl reward, it should be very funny on the forum tomorrow
  • smellykuntismellykunti Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    vinceent1 wrote: »
    cant imagine someone just arrive from 2 weeks vacation. he should only shot himself to the knee now. i am really wondering now what reduce reward mean. if it reduce peridot reward to pearl reward, it should be very funny on the forum tomorrow

    In my mind i see Lew, and to a lesser extent the other mods, all rubbing their hands and getting there Lock and Delete macro's all warmed up.
  • healaryhealary Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    We need to see how much it will be nerfed to make a valid comment. Anyway, even with whatever nerf, that won't stop the trend. Players need to have something to play for in a GAME. If they can't gear up for any CONTENT the game is dead. If the nerf is significant, it will have to be made up from some other sources, or the price of RP will come down to meet the barely existing demand, or both.

    I think most people overreact on both the massive drop from the beginning and will probably overreact again if the nerf is significant, but in the end, when supply meets demand, players will meet reality and boom!!! Either game dies or stays alive merely as a skeleton or the RP system collapses and players will see a system which they can afford to play in.
  • araneaxaraneax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    healary wrote: »
    We need to see how much it will be nerfed to make a valid comment. Anyway, even with whatever nerf, that won't stop the trend. Players need to have something to play for in a GAME. If they can't gear up for any CONTENT the game is dead. If the nerf is significant, it will have to be made up from some other sources, or the price of RP will come down to meet the barely existing demand, or both.

    I think most people overreact on both the massive drop from the beginning and will probably overreact again if the nerf is significant, but in the end, when supply meets demand, players will meet reality and boom!!! Either game dies or stays alive merely as a skeleton or the RP system collapses and players will see a system which they can afford to play in.

    And what would that new system be? Right now i dont think all of the players can " afford " to play this game ?
    Or if they can, then it takes them forever and some more to actually get up.
    This nerf is a bad move.
    But it was expected after all the " crying " and raging how " people cant play cos of HE herd." Now we will get nothing again.
    " It is too much " " People are " exploiting " it. " I can't do my ICWD with my totally amazing character of 4k " " It is laggy "
    Just pick one reason from all the threads posted. 5 % was not happy and bam. Nerf is in order. Serves us right.
    I am sure lots of people will be happy as puppys over it. After all, it served their perp.
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  • vinceent1vinceent1 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    of course already farmed art gear to bis crowd will be happy. nothing is worse than divide players between farmed already to bis and never can get to bis. btw no time to forum now, need to farm like crazy
  • araneaxaraneax Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 639 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    vinceent1 wrote: »
    of course already farmed art gear to bis crowd will be happy. nothing is worse than divide players between farmed already to bis and never can get to bis. btw no time to forum now, need to farm like crazy

    dont bother...
    It will all be useless in mod 7 if you check how it went from mod 5 to 6.
    Except your secondary and primary artifacts. Get that up if you can. That will never grow old.
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  • kabinoleskabinoles Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    here we go again with the gloves,its a never ending story
    ppl have move on out of IWD because they never got the gloves,now they say you get new gloves again because they raise the %
    last time I got my gloves,it took me 6 months to get the BI gloves .nearly tought it is a myth
  • healaryhealary Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I remember Cryptic once said they would increase the drop rate of the BI Gloves and apparently they did... they increased the drop rate to 100% through buying some Black Ice Asset Pack or something like that. It, for a limited time, included a piece of BI gear of your choice.

    What's so good about the BI gloves and BI main hand now with the Protectorate Grind Gloves and the Greater Artifact Mainhand?
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