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metalldjt
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welp this is hard to put it in words
-please fix ITC to grant a better CC Immune that doesn't bugs out, and fix the HR roots to not ignore itc anymore.
-please fix the deflect multiplier:for example a TR has 29% deflect chance, when he uses itc, the deflect chance multiplies with 1000 = 29.000%, thats stupid. Make it whenever you go in ITC you get doable the amount of deflect chance you have: for example you have 50% deflect chance and you use ITC you get 100% deflect chance.
- decrease deflect severity, down to 50% from 75% , because they can use the foe hammer elixir and get 10% deflect severity, thats 85%.
-please fix ITC to grant a better CC Immune that doesn't bugs out, and fix the HR roots to not ignore itc anymore.
-please fix the deflect multiplier:for example a TR has 29% deflect chance, when he uses itc, the deflect chance multiplies with 1000 = 29.000%, thats stupid. Make it whenever you go in ITC you get doable the amount of deflect chance you have: for example you have 50% deflect chance and you use ITC you get 100% deflect chance.
- decrease deflect severity, down to 50% from 75% , because they can use the foe hammer elixir and get 10% deflect severity, thats 85%.
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reduce gwf critical severity from 100 to 75 cause they can pot up
on a serious note if armor pen stay like now on preview we will need some changes to tr and probably a whole rebalance work for every class.
Actually, they are mediocre at best.
in PvE the TR's DPS is outclassed by GWFs, warlocks and CWs.
In PvP, the current game play is all about being unkillable and unmovable from points. the hierachy of classes in pvp is currently... from best to worst..
Paladins
Cerics
Guardian Fighters
GWFs/Rogues
CWs/Rangers
Warlocks
TRs are in the middle, the loss of regen in battle and reliability on lifesteal crippled their survivability heavilly.
They definitly arn't bad atall, but they are no way 'the best' and have not been for a very long time now, the top dog title has been passed on several times since they were, yet people still complain as if TRs were holding it.
i would actually be fine if they got rid of perma stealthing. itc is fine on its own but when the only time you can hit them is when itc is up theres a problem.
It wasn't a problem to take away reliable lifesteal from SWs (which was their only mean of defence) and leave the class to decay in sunlight. We're yet to see any compensation/balancing as of 2 months into mod 6. So if devs will actually listen to 'nurf TR deflect severity' pleas then there's nothing that stops them doing so. There's no common sense in balancing team, no voice of reason.
Just a reminder that there's nothing that's impossible for Cryptics balacing team
double-triple the damage of all those feats/daily and remove the piercing thing.
pretty much same damage in pve.
much more counterable in pvp.
I disagree. Are u played as HR before ?
They are the only class that can safely disengage from a fight. Can't target them when they restealth and they can walk away without getting attacked. No other class can do that. Even the HR forest ghost still allows you to target it.
CW and HR in on the same level? LOL. CW teleport can move them a fair distance away, HR dodge moves them still within melee range. CW can 1-2 rotation kill. HR can 4-5 rotation kill. Far from equal.
That said, make ALL damage/cc respect tenacity and deflection, then I think you end up far closer to balance. Piercing right now is silly. ITC should be looked at, and I think it could be resolved just by increasing the cooldown. The uptime right now is high enough to always be active when a sabo is out of stealth.
Given that the TR does already gain Deflection at 1% per point of DEX or CHA, base severity might need examination. Deflection severity might be better if equal among all classes, but I don't think that this is the main culprit to balance issues.
See, theres the problem. YOU can't hit TRs because you lack skill, you're being out played and can't predict movment or adapt. It very much is possible to hit a stealthed TR, there is counter play to it. Notice how top level PvPers don't complain about TRs? Paladin's/Clerics however, theres no skill factor involved after a certain gear threshold, they simply are unkillable, they can shrug off a 5 man focus and not die. Not only are they fraustrating to deal with they drag out pvp matches for a painfully long duration, sometimes ti can go on for hours because they can't be moved from points.
Yeah I did mention that warlocks were the weakest class right now.. Worst part for me is I went Temptation and don't -want- to change paths. But Temptation is now just beyond worthless that its painfull to even try and play. So basically we are all forced to go damnation path and abuse puppets to even be able to play the game's content.
Thats nice to point out a CWs strength and compleatly ignore the obserd stunlock Rangers have going on right now. They have different strengths and different weaknesses, but overall fall around the same place in how useful they are in a pvp match. IT could be argued either way as to which is better, which is why I put them in the same place.
Both classes are low down on the list because neither can really play the "don't be shifted from this point" game very well, which is what PvP currently is all about.
Asha-DC(Faithful-Anointed Champion)
Vilgefortz-CW(Thaumaturge-balance)
I think you misinterpreted what he's saying... Or perhaps I am, either way. Sounds more "deflection's not getting nerfed."
Anyway to point it out in more depth..
The deflection severity is the major survivability tool for TR's outside of stealth. IT has synergy with their skills, their feats and with their key stats. A drastic nerf like lowering severity by 25% would have a knock on effect, like dominos all falling down.
Stealth would become the only defencive option, and would make sabatour the only use tree. Psudo-permastealth would become the only used playstyle.
Master Infiltrator paragon path would be heavilly weakened, and whisperknife would become the only one picked.
You would still be getting destroyed by permastealth TRs in PvP, all that would have been acheived would be less versitility in playstyle. On a class that curently, is not that much of an issue compared to other more dominating classes.
WTB Class Reroll please
If you can "beat them all" then whats the problem? Clearly they are balnced just fine in that case, or if anything need buffed to compeate with GWFs, right?
You're basically trying to argue that because I disagree I shouldn't be aloud to comment. Nice try but it dosen't work that way.