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kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
edited March 2015 in General Discussion (PC)
Hey - so first off this is entirely my own fault for going by the imagery instead of reading the description first. The image looks like it's either any asset or a common one, but in reality it's your purple ones. I didn't notice until after 5, I was confused because I knew I had at least one more, and found... oops. I've lost my mithral assets... which really sucks, I'd never have exchanged my mithral assets for this, it's not even REMOTELY worth it. Lesson for me: pay more attention and don't assume some new event is actually designed to benefit players in some way before I RTFM.

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Oh well -- buyer beware!! Hopefully my warning will help someone :)
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  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Ouch. Thanks for the heads up :)
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  • theastromachinetheastromachine Member Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I got burnt in a sort of less severe reverse way. The first time this event came around I bought a bunch of white assets in order to try to trade them in, couldn't figure out why it wouldn't show me having any of the correct assets, then made a huge facepalm.
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Considering how useful the epic alchemy assets will be in module 6 (especially the epic alchemist guys) you would have to be insane to trade them in for a companion .
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  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I didn't do it on purpose, just figured I do it because it was something new. It's even more stupid than I made it out since I already have 4 or 5 of these companions from the winter event. Like I said, I'd have NEVER done it had I realized it was using my mithral tools. This event is nothing but a way to trick us out of our most valuable possessions. It's pretty awful actually. I feel like a fool for letting Cryptic trick me out of valuable items in exchange for something totally and completely worthless.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    When it first ran, the alchemy assets were nearly worthless, so it was an awesome way to cash in on what's actually a really good companion. So the first time around, it WAS an awesome event for the players. But with Module 6 right around the corner, some of the Alchemy assets are much more valuable.

    Sorry you dove right in without reading exactly what you were doing, but it's pretty clear in the even description and in the vendor. :confused:

    Cryptic isn't trying to trick anyone.
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  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Well... like I said, I should have paid closer attention, but the imagery doesn't make it particularly clear, so I think it was a pretty easy mistake to make.

    I should also point out to anyone interested that the companion is currently cheaper to buy on the AH outright than all the stuff you need to make it, including the book itself. The 1500 regis vita comes to around 2m, the book is just under 1m and the companion, last I looked was just over 500K.

    In theory, you can make all the regis vita of course.

    However, the companion, sorry to dispute ironzerg79 there, is not remotely worth that cost. It's a combat companion, which on its face makes rather unuseful, and it's bonus is... marginal - there's many companions that are way more useful that you can get for the same or less cost.

    This event appears mostly to be a way for Cryptic to trick the unwary (or unobservant, like me) into throwing their most valuable Alchemy assets away, probably so we'll replace them by buying profession packs. That's how I look at it anyway. People are of course free to think it's awesome... I'm usually a cryptic apologist and supporter, but not on this one.
  • ironzerg79ironzerg79 Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 4,942 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kvet wrote: »
    However, the companion, sorry to dispute ironzerg79 there, is not remotely worth that cost. It's a combat companion, which on its face makes rather unuseful, and it's bonus is... marginal - there's many companions that are way more useful that you can get for the same or less cost.

    I disagree. The Alchemist has some very unique properties that make it very valuable as a traveling companion, especially in Module 6. But people are feel to make their own decisions there.

    But to keep saying that Cryptic "tricked" you is pretty silly.
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  • rogerdtaterogerdtate Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    All I can say is, NO , no thank you.
    We have the choice to take part in events or not, this time for me it is a NOT.
  • almondumalmondum Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Quite deceiving...quite indeed.
    This makes me think of contacts and the part where I must read all the text in small letters which by an "accident" dictates the most important part of the deal.
  • maegmaagmaegmaag Member Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    It IS social engineering. But payin attention and reading is up to everyone alone.
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  • healaryhealary Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The first time when this event was run, the Alchemist companion sold for 1.5 mil AD and Aqua Regia was 400-600 each. Essentially I got my first Alchemist for 1/3 the price of its value then and I believe Cryptic made good money from Zen Shop sales at that time due to players actually getting more values from buying Zen Shop Asset Packs and Companions.

    Things totally changed since the implementation of the artifact gear system though. Zen Shop item like Companions and Assets totally plummeted to make RP virtually the only thing worthy in the game. Thus, when this event is run today, we have Alchemist selling for 500k AD in the AH but the same 100 Aqua Regia that are used to exchange for the Alchemist are being artificially pumped up to 1-1.2k AD each. Only a fool will buy 1 - 1.2 million AD worth of Aqua Regia to exchange for a companion for only 40-50% of what it is worth.

    Even if there are Neverwinter Fools still there to fall for this trick, these Fools will only give their AD to the people selling the Aqua Regia. Cryptic stands to make nothing out of this event that was previously profitable to them.
  • juleadreamjuleadream Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I had been a bit eager for this event... then I saw what was needed to get he codex. Trade my purple assets? Yeah right... you can have them when you take them against my will. And there is simply no way that I can make 1500 Aqua Regia even with all 8 of my slots running the mass-production line. Guess I'll just have to make a profit on the stuff :P
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Sure they do (have a way to profit by this event, that is)- when people accidentally trade purple tools when the images appear to be common ones (the only way to tell is if you happen to notice the small images way down at the bottom, then mouse over them to verify the type -- something the massive proliferation of various and sundry currencies has pretty well conditioned out of us - the only real alternative is either spend a hugh amount of AD to reacquire the tools or buy profession packs in the hopes to get them that way. When you couple with the fact they're putting a 25% off sale on said packs... it does make you wonder.

    I'm not sure I understand the concept of "travelling companion" in neverwinter, but I also don't personally try to roll-play in video games - I have flesh and blood friends to play pen and paper RPGs for that. I'm not a min/maxer really, but I also generally don't bother using pointless things when better, more useful items are readily available are are, in many cases, the same price or cheaper (or otherwise easier to obtain).

    Anyway. At level 60, combat companions are worthless for anything any level 60 character actually needs them for and it's active bonus is, as I've said, no where near as useful as a lot of other companions out there.

    That was true even the first time this event rolled around, but it's even more true now.

    In Mod 6, they are working on making combat companions more relevant - they've openly admitted they are currently not -- but I doubt it. Not when the new companion gear will add thousands of boost points for augment pets that will likely be far more beneficial than a combat pet is... but the thread digresseth...

    I stand by my assertion that this event is (and wasn't originally) of any value to players, but rather a tricky profession gear sink designed to make people part with their high end tools with the desired effect being they'll buy more (hopefully via Profession Packs after buying Zen to pay for them).
  • healaryhealary Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juleadream wrote: »
    I had been a bit eager for this event... then I saw what was needed to get he codex. Trade my purple assets? Yeah right... you can have them when you take them against my will. And there is simply no way that I can make 1500 Aqua Regia even with all 8 of my slots running the mass-production line. Guess I'll just have to make a profit on the stuff :P

    Don't bother. Even if you can make 1500 Aqua Regia, you better sell them rather and use the AD to buy more than 2 Alchemists.
  • healaryhealary Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kvet wrote: »

    I stand by my assertion that this event is (and wasn't originally) of any value to players, but rather a tricky profession gear sink designed to make people part with their high end tools with the desired effect being they'll buy more (hopefully via Profession Packs after buying Zen to pay for them).

    It was of significant values to players since essentially they could buy 500k worth of Aqua Regia and sell them for 1.5 million AD. Not that the Alchemist is worth as much as an augmentation companion. It was the trading value that mattered and it stimulated Zen Shop sales. But look at the prices of all those zen shop items now... they are all HAMSTER comparing to the RP needed to feed the insatiable appetite of the artifact gear.
  • juleadreamjuleadream Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    LOL I have an army of Alchemists - purple, blue and green. And the Aqua Regia now means only more AD for me.

    edit: oh, you meant the companion... don't really care much about that, doesn't look like it's really worth the half-million AD anyway.
  • healaryhealary Member Posts: 600 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    juleadream wrote: »
    LOL I have an army of Alchemists - purple, blue and green. And the Aqua Regia now means only more AD for me.

    If no Fools buy them you don't gain anything more. Even if there are Fools, Cryptic stands to gain nothing. They are only running the game for nothing but just to let other people profit. Perhaps their bosses in China will take a hard look at who are the real Neverwinter Fools when their next financial report comes out.
  • lady808lady808 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Cryptic isn't trying to trick anyone, but if you didn't pay attention to the "fine print" then who's fault is it really? I still remember this event and remembered that it cost purple assets back then, so I didn't fall for the trick this time around as well. Luckily for me. Not so lucky for at least the OP I guess. Yes, according to the grapevine, Alchemy high end assets ARE going to be worth a LOT with the advent of mod6. Fine print... Fine print... You know who else supposedly uses "fine print" to sucker people right? :p
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  • suicidalgodotsuicidalgodot Member Posts: 2,465 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I got burnt in a sort of less severe reverse way. The first time this event came around I bought a bunch of white assets in order to try to trade them in, couldn't figure out why it wouldn't show me having any of the correct assets, then made a huge facepalm.

    I had suspected what the OP found out the hard way, and cleaned out all good stuff from the char I tried it your way, with bought whites. Guess what, result was the same as yours...
  • vadimt83vadimt83 Member Posts: 259 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Another misleading thing: After I read the blog, I was under the impression that "profession vendor sells rare resources for a limited time". Only after I ran to PE and was looking at his store with a WTF face, I realized i read something wrong
  • kvetkvet Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    lady808 wrote: »
    Cryptic isn't trying to trick anyone, but if you didn't pay attention to the "fine print" then who's fault is it really?

    ...

    Fine print... Fine print... You know who else supposedly uses "fine print" to sucker people right? :p

    Yes, I sure do. Con-artists of all sorts: corporate, private and governmental and non-profit organizations. This particular "event" is just another example. And, yes, it was my fault for not inspecting all the little mouseover options before making an assumption based on the visual. We know what it means to ***UME after all.
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  • partydownpartydown Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I lost a grand master alchemist because of this. Why on earth wouldn't you be warned about this ? 'You are about to trade 1 ... for 1 ...' The grand master is worth much more then 1 piece of lead... no one who under stood this would do it. I did not see anything that indicated this was what was going to happen. WHERE IS THE BUY BACK ?!!!!!
  • amenephisamenephis Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    There are just a hilarious number of posts getting deleted out of this thread.
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  • stevedudemanstevedudeman Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So I have a few toons and I play a lot. However, none of them have started the Alchemy profession. If I start now, can I get anything out of this event?
  • sockmunkeysockmunkey Member Posts: 4,622 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So I have a few toons and I play a lot. However, none of them have started the Alchemy profession. If I start now, can I get anything out of this event?

    The best you can hope to do at this point, is to sell resources to the folks racing to buy them up.
  • stevedudemanstevedudeman Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    sockmunkey wrote: »
    The best you can hope to do at this point, is to sell resources to the folks racing to buy them up.

    OK I haven't been around for an Alchemy event so I'm really trying to put this whole thing together...So you're telling me, this event is essentially only for high level Alchemists (a profession that crafts potions [items that drop in the game like candy]) who can trade their very rare, high value Alchemy assets, for items of significantly less value?
  • amenephisamenephis Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    OK I haven't been around for an Alchemy event so I'm really trying to put this whole thing together...So you're telling me, this event is essentially only for high level Alchemists (a profession that crafts potions [items that drop in the game like candy]) who can trade their very rare, high value Alchemy assets, for items of significantly less value?

    Sort of, except it's really for high level Alchemists with absurd quantities of disposable income, selling off their assets to get even more disposable income.

    That or people with a credit card and a willingness to buy profession boosters out the wazoo. Really this second one is the entire point of the event. The assets required for this are actually impossible to get without someone somewhere having paid real money to get them, except for the Aqua Regia and frankly, if you can throw together 1500 of those in a couple days then knock yourself out I guess but you'd be far better off just selling them and buying the companion directly with ADs from the AH. If you do have the purple assets, don't get rid of them for this nonsense as all that will do is set you up for failure come Mod 6.
  • drezzatdrezzat Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ironzerg79 wrote: »
    When it first ran, the alchemy assets were nearly worthless, so it was an awesome way to cash in on what's actually a really good companion. So the first time around, it WAS an awesome event for the players. But with Module 6 right around the corner, some of the Alchemy assets are much more valuable.

    Sorry you dove right in without reading exactly what you were doing, but it's pretty clear in the even description and in the vendor. :confused:

    Cryptic isn't trying to trick anyone.

    of course they are
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