wait is a item lv 60 usable to refine an item lv 70?
That better be the case ...
Edit: I just tested refining the new GF off-hand artifact shield with my golden dragon shield and it works. I hope and expect that it will be also possible to refine the new artifact cloaks with old artifact cloaks and new artifact belts with old artifact belts.
Edit: I just tested refining the new GF off-hand artifact shield with my golden dragon shield and it works. I hope and expect that it will be also possible to refine the new artifact cloaks with old artifact cloaks and new artifact belts with old artifact belts.
Does it give 1:1 RP ratio?
Otherwise I won't bother making my new cloak level 40 with my old legendary one.
Does it give 1:1 RP ratio?
Otherwise I won't bother making my new cloak level 40 with my old legendary one.
Take a look here: http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Artifact_off-hand. If you refine artifact gear with the same kind of artifact gear, you will get 40% refinement points back, so it is not worth it. it is only worth it during double refinement points events, then you will get 80% of your invested refinement points back.
On a side note, I think that the current double refinement points event which was announced at very short notice served the purpose to make players consume refinement items, AD and Zen before module 6 hits. Because once module 6 hits with the new artifact gear and higher maximum artifact ranks, players will want to refine their artifact gear and artifacts. That way players get milked two times.
Otherwise many players would have thought "Hmm, the last double refinement event has been 3 months ago, there should be soon another one, I better wait until then to refine my new artifact gear and to rank my artifacts up beyond rank 100."
belt that gives +4 (+5 mythic?)to crit ability score stat.
Wont bother getting anything else. Waste of time. Doubt I will even bother getting lvl 70 version of these items either. the minor stats boost wont be worth it since I mainly want that +4-5% crit proc and action point gains.
Take a look here: http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Artifact_off-hand. If you refine artifact gear with the same kind of artifact gear, you will get 40% refinement points back, so it is not worth it. it is only worth it during double refinement points events, then you will get 80% of your invested refinement points back.
On a side note, I think that the current double refinement points event which was announced at very short notice served the purpose to make players consume refinement items, AD and Zen before module 6 hits. Because once module 6 hits with the new artifact gear and higher maximum artifact ranks, players will want to refine their artifact gear and artifacts. That way players get milked two times.
Otherwise many players would have thought "Hmm, the last double refinement event has been 3 months ago, there should be soon another one, I better wait until then to refine my new artifact gear and to rank my artifacts up beyond rank 100."
I know how it used to be but mod 6 brings so many changes to the table that I foolishly expected devs to show a good will and allow us to feed it without losing any RP. After all our gear was expected to increase in ranks and not get replaced completely.
how do you want it to be 1:1 ration , it's a lvl 60 in a lvl 70 , at least be happy we can use them to refine new ones !
Are you serious? Have you read your own sentence? If you don't know yet feeding normal artifact with another normal artifact of the same type gives you a value multiplied by 5.
I don't see why it shouldn't be changed for Cloaks and Greater Cloaks of the same type (for example Imperial or Black Ice).
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lirithielMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,482Arc User
edited February 2015
Right that's it, I'm done with this RP artifact BS. Going back to normal epics. Will craft the MH, farm my *** off for the OH and just go with that. Craft lvl 25 JC stuff and screw the rest. It's not like we need all this continuing power creep in Mod 6. People have been saying new content is faceroll in current lvl 60. Get stuffed, get absolutely stuffed!
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The artifact equipment get a rank rise, and also a level rise. What a surprise! Honestly I did not expect both coming. My last hope is that they could increase the RP return of the artifact equipment.
My suggestion: 25% for different type
50% for the same type
100% for the same type in the double RP event.
Otherwise I have to say I will keep away from artifact gears.
Are you serious? Have you read your own sentence? If you don't know yet feeding normal artifact with another normal artifact of the same type gives you a value multiplied by 5.
I don't see why it shouldn't be changed for Cloaks and Greater Cloaks of the same type (for example Imperial or Black Ice).
man , these are artefact weapons not artefacts (it's a lvl 60 item vs a lvl 70 item ) can't you understand , you can't equip it till you have the lvl ?, and you can't have the x5 bonus even if you use another same artefact wepon with same lvl .
We didn't even think that wa can refine with our current artefact weapons so thanks to devs that they allowed this , ( because in the first place this was supposed to make things back to start again)
PS : can you now feed lvl 59 gear into your lvl 60 artefact weapons ?
Remember that "Greater" is almost certainly not a final rank which means that in future mods you will feed your Greater Cloak to the Major? one and later Major to sth else.
It also means that even if you get lucky and do that only during double refinement (which they placed before mod 6 for obvious reasons) you will get 3.757.728 RP from your legendary cloak or 1.878.864 without double RP.
Every time they introduce new rank you will lose even more from that amount which means no more upgrading for me. I will equip my toon with drops. However for PvP players it will create an enormous imbalance between rich an poor. I can't imagine new players without armies of invoking toons fighting with fully upgraded players and having any chance.
I think for existing players it doesn't really make a difference whether you have to spend 4.5M on another piece of artifact gear or use the same amount of RP to upgrade it to a level 80 or whatever. In the end it might even be beneficial, because you can use your existing piece to get started. Look at the new Artifact levels. Upgrading from 100-140 costs nearly twice as much as upgrading from 1-100. Same with Enchantments and their new levels.
What sucks is that the new stuff is still tied to Tiamat and that players are purposely getting played with a double RP weekend where they are probably refining stuff right now that's not worth **** in two weeks. A perfect timing for a x2 RP would have been two or three weeks into the new module...
Remember that "Greater" is almost certainly not a final rank which means that in future mods you will feed your Greater Cloak to the Major? one and later Major to sth else.
It also means that even if you get lucky and do that only during double refinement (which they placed before mod 6 for obvious reasons) you will get 3.757.728 RP from your legendary cloak or 1.878.864 without double RP.
Every time they introduce new rank you will lose even more from that amount which means no more upgrading for me. I will equip my toon with drops. However for PvP players it will create an enormous imbalance between rich an poor. I can't imagine new players without armies of invoking toons fighting with fully upgraded players and having any chance.
yeah
i never thought they could make the imbalance any worse, between the haves and the have nots
but lo and behold...here we go with BiS players crushing casuals
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited February 2015
Checked out some of the changes. I really like the addition of the original artifacts to the Campaign Vendors! This will make it better for new players and current players a like to gain their artifacts. Then when they do finally get a greater cloak, they can feed their old one into their new one for 40% return on the RP in their old one, or 80% during 2xRP.
My only real concern is these new Greater Cloak versions. Why even have these be separate items? Are they needed? I don't think so. If they are meant to make one more viable however, then I would just suggest instead to make the original ones Greater Green upon refining them Epic, and you then refine them back up to Legendary. I just don't understand the need to add whole new versions.
In any case, I don't see why I would need these greater versions anyway. These normal ones will serve me just fine and be great for my plethora of alts still running through the campaigns, as well as my ones that have finished but have not yet obtained such artifacts.
I just don't understand the need to add whole new versions.
To force you into upgrading and using more rp. Whether or not the botted supplies previously being massively available had something to do with the decision (ie they wanted to reduce the impact) I don't know. I wouldn't say it was a good one. I'm using to non-beneficial changes though.
nah,no greater anythings for me..I'm ok with normal artis I got.no way I'm gonna loose 60% of rp's I put in them.I have grinded my fingers off and only got main hand and belt to orange and off hand and neck are still purple.no way I'm starting all that <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> all over again.
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orangefireeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,148Arc User
Remember that "Greater" is almost certainly not a final rank which means that in future mods you will feed your Greater Cloak to the Major? one and later Major to sth else.
It also means that even if you get lucky and do that only during double refinement (which they placed before mod 6 for obvious reasons) you will get 3.757.728 RP from your legendary cloak or 1.878.864 without double RP.
Every time they introduce new rank you will lose even more from that amount which means no more upgrading for me. I will equip my toon with drops. However for PvP players it will create an enormous imbalance between rich an poor. I can't imagine new players without armies of invoking toons fighting with fully upgraded players and having any chance.
I doubt the majors will come out until the level cap 80 update, likely around module 12 or so, which is a long way off.
Neverwinter players are stubborn things....until you strip them down to bone. (Cursed players, my flowers, MINE!) Oh how I plotted their demise.
The prizes for 60 cloaks went up in the wake of double RP weekend and people are wasting RP right now. I don't know, that doesn't feel right.
Have to partially retract that statement.
Refining one piece of Artifact gear from 0-60 would cost 2,322,600 RP during the x2 weekend. Feeding the very same piece into new gear during another x2 weekend would produce 3,717,728 RP, meaning you would be getting 160% of your investment back.
I mean, you are still better off feeding the RP directly into the new gear, but since they are not yet available you can use current RP and artifact gear to refine the future stuff. Sort of.
Checked out some of the changes. I really like the addition of the original artifacts to the Campaign Vendors! This will make it better for new players and current players a like to gain their artifacts. Then when they do finally get a greater cloak, they can feed their old one into their new one for 40% return on the RP in their old one, or 80% during 2xRP.
Today, I fed a rank 1 artifact belt (dropped in well of dragons on live server) into my purple artifact belt (which I wear on live server) and it crit. 80% return during 2xRP events is not so bad because a critical is possible with some belts and I hope with all other artifact gear too.
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Edit: I just tested refining the new GF off-hand artifact shield with my golden dragon shield and it works. I hope and expect that it will be also possible to refine the new artifact cloaks with old artifact cloaks and new artifact belts with old artifact belts.
Does it give 1:1 RP ratio?
Otherwise I won't bother making my new cloak level 40 with my old legendary one.
its gives 40% of the rp....
On a side note, I think that the current double refinement points event which was announced at very short notice served the purpose to make players consume refinement items, AD and Zen before module 6 hits. Because once module 6 hits with the new artifact gear and higher maximum artifact ranks, players will want to refine their artifact gear and artifacts. That way players get milked two times.
Otherwise many players would have thought "Hmm, the last double refinement event has been 3 months ago, there should be soon another one, I better wait until then to refine my new artifact gear and to rank my artifacts up beyond rank 100."
Cloak that gives action point gain
belt that gives +4 (+5 mythic?)to crit ability score stat.
Wont bother getting anything else. Waste of time. Doubt I will even bother getting lvl 70 version of these items either. the minor stats boost wont be worth it since I mainly want that +4-5% crit proc and action point gains.
how do you want it to be 1:1 ration , it's a lvl 60 in a lvl 70 , at least be happy we can use them to refine new ones !
I know how it used to be but mod 6 brings so many changes to the table that I foolishly expected devs to show a good will and allow us to feed it without losing any RP. After all our gear was expected to increase in ranks and not get replaced completely.
Are you serious? Have you read your own sentence? If you don't know yet feeding normal artifact with another normal artifact of the same type gives you a value multiplied by 5.
I don't see why it shouldn't be changed for Cloaks and Greater Cloaks of the same type (for example Imperial or Black Ice).
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
My suggestion: 25% for different type
50% for the same type
100% for the same type in the double RP event.
Otherwise I have to say I will keep away from artifact gears.
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Go to the ToD campaign shop guy in the WoD or near the reward claims agent in PE , the guy who you got the old lvl 60 cloak off for Linu's favor.
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man , these are artefact weapons not artefacts (it's a lvl 60 item vs a lvl 70 item ) can't you understand , you can't equip it till you have the lvl ?, and you can't have the x5 bonus even if you use another same artefact wepon with same lvl .
We didn't even think that wa can refine with our current artefact weapons so thanks to devs that they allowed this , ( because in the first place this was supposed to make things back to start again)
PS : can you now feed lvl 59 gear into your lvl 60 artefact weapons ?
Remember that "Greater" is almost certainly not a final rank which means that in future mods you will feed your Greater Cloak to the Major? one and later Major to sth else.
It also means that even if you get lucky and do that only during double refinement (which they placed before mod 6 for obvious reasons) you will get 3.757.728 RP from your legendary cloak or 1.878.864 without double RP.
Every time they introduce new rank you will lose even more from that amount which means no more upgrading for me. I will equip my toon with drops. However for PvP players it will create an enormous imbalance between rich an poor. I can't imagine new players without armies of invoking toons fighting with fully upgraded players and having any chance.
What sucks is that the new stuff is still tied to Tiamat and that players are purposely getting played with a double RP weekend where they are probably refining stuff right now that's not worth **** in two weeks. A perfect timing for a x2 RP would have been two or three weeks into the new module...
yeah
i never thought they could make the imbalance any worse, between the haves and the have nots
but lo and behold...here we go with BiS players crushing casuals
My only real concern is these new Greater Cloak versions. Why even have these be separate items? Are they needed? I don't think so. If they are meant to make one more viable however, then I would just suggest instead to make the original ones Greater Green upon refining them Epic, and you then refine them back up to Legendary. I just don't understand the need to add whole new versions.
In any case, I don't see why I would need these greater versions anyway. These normal ones will serve me just fine and be great for my plethora of alts still running through the campaigns, as well as my ones that have finished but have not yet obtained such artifacts.
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846
530
530
Old ones have:
458
298
298
Which means it has 852 more stat points that is about 80% Stat Point increase to the old cloaks.
To force you into upgrading and using more rp. Whether or not the botted supplies previously being massively available had something to do with the decision (ie they wanted to reduce the impact) I don't know. I wouldn't say it was a good one. I'm using to non-beneficial changes though.
I doubt the majors will come out until the level cap 80 update, likely around module 12 or so, which is a long way off.
doubt the game is still alive by that time
Have to partially retract that statement.
Refining one piece of Artifact gear from 0-60 would cost 2,322,600 RP during the x2 weekend. Feeding the very same piece into new gear during another x2 weekend would produce 3,717,728 RP, meaning you would be getting 160% of your investment back.
I mean, you are still better off feeding the RP directly into the new gear, but since they are not yet available you can use current RP and artifact gear to refine the future stuff. Sort of.
Today, I fed a rank 1 artifact belt (dropped in well of dragons on live server) into my purple artifact belt (which I wear on live server) and it crit. 80% return during 2xRP events is not so bad because a critical is possible with some belts and I hope with all other artifact gear too.