Why? By the gods, why would you want more than 7 toons, i recently added 2 to give me 7, and one free space, if they release another class/race. And the 7 is a good bit to go through as it is. I cannot imagine handling 50, lol.
I don't think most people with that many characters actually seriously play them all. I have 26, and only one of them have I put any significant effort into, though a good 18 or so of them are level 60. I mostly use them for invoking and grinding Leadership for a steady income while I do nothing with them otherwise. I don't really like running the same content over and over for drops to sell/salvage, so having an alt army grinding leadership is a good alternative. Takes like 20 minutes.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
I don't think most people with that many characters actually seriously play them all. I have 26, and only one of them have I put any significant effort into, though a good 18 or so of them are level 60. I mostly use them for invoking and grinding Leadership for a steady income while I do nothing with them otherwise. I don't really like running the same content over and over for drops to sell/salvage, so having an alt army grinding leadership is a good alternative. Takes like 20 minutes.
I have 28 characters and almost all of them are level 60 in T1/T2 gear, or better. I pick two or three each week that I play and will play only those for that week along with Daxx or Old Zeb, in terms of dailies and delves. I don't have a single character that I don't take seriously. Well, as serious as one should take a game.
Lol, I bet you could get enough AD per 2 week to get a legendary done only from leadership, and I do not count the AD u might get from selling enchants u make with coal wards :DD
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dragoness10Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 780Arc User
edited January 2015
1) Coal wards are expensive. Even if you get lucky with invocation - they can be scarce.
2) OMG..... was hard enough breaking down to get a House servant. I brought in an old alt. She's just there to help my main. My main equips her.
3) That's my question - slot #3. What am I going to do with that? Two chrs with 5 companions each is a lot like trying to equip 12 chrs already. It'll have to be either somehow I earn enough in game Zen for the dragonborne race, or I get **** lucky on a lockbox for the metallic dragonborne.
(NOTE: A dragonborne is NOT the same as a half dragon. Just clarifying that here.)
51 chr slots... NUUUUUU! : flies off in a puff of silvery snow:
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orangefireeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,148Arc User
edited January 2015
As someone with around 40ish characters, I really only play about ten or so of them. The rest of just for roleplay/leadership/invokes. ((Yes, I roleplay 40 or so characters.))
Neverwinter players are stubborn things....until you strip them down to bone. (Cursed players, my flowers, MINE!) Oh how I plotted their demise.
you people are crazy, I could never have 50 chars, I barely have enough time to play ONE. o.O
Most likely praybots and leadership. It used to be really really really profitable when people were getting coal wards left and right. I wasn't a big fan of passive play being the most profitable at one point but there you go.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited January 2015
I have a few friends with 50+.
They simply focus on a few and use the rest to fund those few. One of them has over 30 characters at 20 leadership so they make uber bank whenever they do professions...which is often. It's nothing I can do but I give a lot of credit to the people who can. I mean that guy has multiple legendary belts and everything legendary on his one character due to all the work he puts into the alts.
But yeah they don't "play" 50 characters. They do, however, use them either to play different styles of gameplay on a casual level or use them to farm AD or Celestial Coins.
Lol, I bet you could get enough AD per 2 week to get a legendary done only from leadership, and I do not count the AD u might get from selling enchants u make with coal wards :DD
Coals are really really scarce. For example last time i opened coffers i gathered for over a month i got 3 coals in around 150 coffers.
Why though? I mean sure, 1 of each class is reasonable, either to find out which class suits you best or to learn about them and gain knowledge about your opponents in PvP. Ok, if you're REALLY a fanatic RPer I could imagine having them all in both male and female variations on a different paragon and perhaps a few double halflings for PvP. So say that if you're really fanatic, you'd have about 20 characters.
Why the rest though? Leadership? Personally I think that if the game pushes you towards using an army of leadership alts, something's wrong with the game design. A game should push you towards active gameplay, not passive.
Other than leadership, I see no reason to go above 20ish characters. How much of a fanatic must you be to even want to have every class, every paragon on every race available? Not to mention the sheer amount of time required to keep them up to date with the new content.. Even with 2-3 a week it almost becomes a full time job just to maintain alts. I don't get where people find the 50+ hours a week to play that much, not counting unemployed people and such. Even if you had that amount of time, how long would it last before you get bored of doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over? I find it hard enough not to get bored out of my pants from keeping 3 characters up to date.
Getting them leveled and with max leadership IS the main pain with alt armies. Managing them afterwards isn't much trouble really, for me anyway. Spending 20 mins once or twice a day to set profs on all is quite ok thinking how much AD that small amount of time gets me and how stable this source of income is.
Believe me though i would LOVE to make AD actively playing my actual mains but that low refine limit combined with low value of most drops nowadays makes that hard. Id make nice AD from salvage alone if we didn't have such a low refine limit and actually play the game a lot more. I have 5 chars i consider mains more or less and all range from 80-100k RAD to 3mils RAD. My other source of income now except alts is whatever i get from some kessel's/eSot/eLoL like glyphs or dragon gems/bones or if really really really lucky an artifact.
I actually enjoy the leadership thing. It's like a mini-game. I have 18 toons on my main account all but a couple of which are leadership alts. About half are max leadership, the rest are well on the way. Every morning before work I make a coffee and invoke and do the profs and any other "admin" stuff like coffers and inv. I find it quite therapeutic. In the evenings I may do all, some or none of the profs, depending on real life, but typically I will at least start the big earning tasks for each toon ("Destroy Camp" etc). 18 is probably about my limit. Any more and it may start to rule me too much.
So the game doesn't make me do it. I enjoy it. And, of course, the AD income is now ticking along quite nicely so it helps pimp my main.
Why though? I mean sure, 1 of each class is reasonable, either to find out which class suits you best or to learn about them and gain knowledge about your opponents in PvP. Ok, if you're REALLY a fanatic RPer I could imagine having them all in both male and female variations on a different paragon and perhaps a few double halflings for PvP. So say that if you're really fanatic, you'd have about 20 characters.
Why the rest though? Leadership? Personally I think that if the game pushes you towards using an army of leadership alts, something's wrong with the game design. A game should push you towards active gameplay, not passive.
I agree with you on all counts, except leadership. I originally wanted to make this a leadership army, but a single rotation, with all toons having 8 unlocked slots, takes around 90-120 minutes! Making 24k AD/toon/day takes 4-5 rotations. That's 8+ hours per day including a rotation while you're sleeping. That's a full time job and far too time intensive IMO. Anyone saying leadership takes less time is using a bot script. Invoking on the other hand, takes 12-15 minutes per day, makes 50k AD, and nets 7-8 coal wards per 2 weeks.
I totally agree with you about gameplay. I leveled all 50 of these toons from lvl 11 to lvl 60 solely by invoking. That's asinine. Adventurers should be rewarded for actually doing things. NO ONE should gain experience for sitting on their asses in PE while periodically sending peons out on tasks and bothering their god. When Farming> Playing, bots proliferate and players stop playing, since they need far more AD than can ever be earned through adventuring.
As someone with around 40ish characters, I really only play about ten or so of them. The rest of just for roleplay/leadership/invokes. ((Yes, I roleplay 40 or so characters.))
That's like dating 40 people - no real commitment.
Too many storylines to keep up with, or possibilities. Even Steven King only writes one novel at a time.
I prefer quality to quantity.
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edited January 2015
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I don't think most people with that many characters actually seriously play them all. I have 26, and only one of them have I put any significant effort into, though a good 18 or so of them are level 60. I mostly use them for invoking and grinding Leadership for a steady income while I do nothing with them otherwise. I don't really like running the same content over and over for drops to sell/salvage, so having an alt army grinding leadership is a good alternative. Takes like 20 minutes.
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2) OMG..... was hard enough breaking down to get a House servant. I brought in an old alt. She's just there to help my main. My main equips her.
3) That's my question - slot #3. What am I going to do with that? Two chrs with 5 companions each is a lot like trying to equip 12 chrs already. It'll have to be either somehow I earn enough in game Zen for the dragonborne race, or I get **** lucky on a lockbox for the metallic dragonborne.
(NOTE: A dragonborne is NOT the same as a half dragon. Just clarifying that here.)
51 chr slots... NUUUUUU! : flies off in a puff of silvery snow:
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon
Most likely praybots and leadership. It used to be really really really profitable when people were getting coal wards left and right. I wasn't a big fan of passive play being the most profitable at one point but there you go.
They simply focus on a few and use the rest to fund those few. One of them has over 30 characters at 20 leadership so they make uber bank whenever they do professions...which is often. It's nothing I can do but I give a lot of credit to the people who can. I mean that guy has multiple legendary belts and everything legendary on his one character due to all the work he puts into the alts.
But yeah they don't "play" 50 characters. They do, however, use them either to play different styles of gameplay on a casual level or use them to farm AD or Celestial Coins.
Coals are really really scarce. For example last time i opened coffers i gathered for over a month i got 3 coals in around 150 coffers.
Getting them leveled and with max leadership IS the main pain with alt armies. Managing them afterwards isn't much trouble really, for me anyway. Spending 20 mins once or twice a day to set profs on all is quite ok thinking how much AD that small amount of time gets me and how stable this source of income is.
Believe me though i would LOVE to make AD actively playing my actual mains but that low refine limit combined with low value of most drops nowadays makes that hard. Id make nice AD from salvage alone if we didn't have such a low refine limit and actually play the game a lot more. I have 5 chars i consider mains more or less and all range from 80-100k RAD to 3mils RAD. My other source of income now except alts is whatever i get from some kessel's/eSot/eLoL like glyphs or dragon gems/bones or if really really really lucky an artifact.
So the game doesn't make me do it. I enjoy it. And, of course, the AD income is now ticking along quite nicely so it helps pimp my main.
I agree with you on all counts, except leadership. I originally wanted to make this a leadership army, but a single rotation, with all toons having 8 unlocked slots, takes around 90-120 minutes! Making 24k AD/toon/day takes 4-5 rotations. That's 8+ hours per day including a rotation while you're sleeping. That's a full time job and far too time intensive IMO. Anyone saying leadership takes less time is using a bot script. Invoking on the other hand, takes 12-15 minutes per day, makes 50k AD, and nets 7-8 coal wards per 2 weeks.
I totally agree with you about gameplay. I leveled all 50 of these toons from lvl 11 to lvl 60 solely by invoking. That's asinine. Adventurers should be rewarded for actually doing things. NO ONE should gain experience for sitting on their asses in PE while periodically sending peons out on tasks and bothering their god. When Farming> Playing, bots proliferate and players stop playing, since they need far more AD than can ever be earned through adventuring.
That's like dating 40 people - no real commitment.
Too many storylines to keep up with, or possibilities. Even Steven King only writes one novel at a time.
I prefer quality to quantity.
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon