Then ****ing raise your crit stat. Like, you know, the rest of us.
Besides, 2k non-crit from gloaming cut is nonsense. I'm sure you can easily deal at least twice that without the help of crit.
lol u seem to be forgeting 2 huge stealth nerfs we got so we can get auto crit
anyway u can QQ all u want tr is not going to be nerfed to mod 4 when 3 trs were in top 3 pages
let alone worst as u suggest
its basic logic
and if u count dc,cw with shield ,gf,gwf 2k non crit is huge more like 1k dmg average on gc
plus gc out of stealth is impossible to land
You must be talking about yourself there friend because Gloaming Cut is freaking Rapid fire next to Crushing surge and Cleave, and does about 3-5 times the dmg.
u put things out of context
u compare things u like with things u dont like
with 2 totaly different classes
its just silly
makes 0 sence
lol u seem to be forgeting 2 huge stealth nerfs we got so we can get auto crit
anyway u can QQ all u want tr is not going to be nerfed to mod 4 when 3 trs were in top 3 pages
let alone worst as u suggest
its basic logic
and if u count dc,cw with shield ,gf,gwf 2k non crit is huge more like 1k dmg average on gc
plus gc out of stealth is impossible to land
Huge stealth nerfs? Oh please. 2s reveal and at-will drain is nothing when you can jump back to stealth just after a few rolls. In fact, with the stamina consumption change TRs are more powerful than ever. More rolls = faster entry to stealth = more boosted encounters.
None of us are asking to nerf TR to the ground. If you can't understand basic concepts of balance then you shouldn't use the word 'logic' at all. You have none in you.
And the **** are you comparing again? GC post mitigation? Do you have any idea what that would make my 800 sure strike? 100-200. And that's with 9k power. Besides, GC isn't impossible to land outside of stealth. The question is, why would you try to?
HAHAHAHA! I love how you even sprinted away from the TR when you saw him knowing he would do a LB hit, only to STILL get hit by LB like 50' away from the TR.
Ontop of that, your lucky he didnt have GPF or Flaming because that 17k SoD would have been a double hit for 17k = 34k SoD. Not that it matters because not even the best GFs have 38k+34k HP = 72k HP
Also Im impressed that LB didnt take more of your HP down % wise. 38k Crit and it looks like you still have another 6k+ HP left. So its not as if your some PUG who has low HP or anything. Most GWFs are rocking aboout 40k-42k unbuffed HP, so your actually MORE tanky than the avg GWF.
The best part of ALL of this, GWFs have "Unstoppable" and Sprint which are supposed to be their "survival mechanic"
Not only did you sprint, and his LB still crit you for 38k, you then hit Unstoppable to boost your DR up but it makes no difference because his SoD bypasses ALL DR. SO even if you were immune to damage from "Steely Defense" it wouldnt matter and youd still die....
Oh wait.... I forgot, we just need to "L2P" You could have sprinted earlier and avoided that TR altogether. Maybe "L2P" means if you THINK a TR is near, just run away...
Just my two cents since I played TR a lot before the buffs :
1) Executioner capstone should be PHYSICALL damage, not piercing. 50k SE + capstone (not considering all at will and 90% in most of the case) land like 100k of piercing damage on somebody just within a couple of seconds? That's too blatant to defend
2) Scoundrel's feats should respec tenacity. And yes perma-daze does exist.
3) Piercing damage is not good, I am talking about general now though. It kills shift abilities of SWs and GWFs
And another issue why do TRs are so good right now - scaling off weapon damage and too much free stats. You don't have to have lots of power or ArP, just take some feats and rock with piercing damage and free resistance ignored or crazy damage increase on dazed targets. That's also why GWFs suck. All main damage feats scale off weapon damage - thorned roots, fire of the gods, assailant, shadowy opportunity. But GWFs are forced to stack lots of power.
I think all "of your weapon damage" modifiers should be changed to power, since the game favors only few classes and specs (DPS DC, trapper HR, sabo TR), allowing them deal high damage even at low levels, while others have to stack offensive stats to actually deal damage.
M6 almost drains your soul given how boring it is. (c) joocycuzzzzzz
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HAHAHAHA! I love how you even sprinted away from the TR when you saw him knowing he would do a LB hit, only to STILL get hit by LB like 50' away from the TR.
Ontop of that, your lucky he didnt have GPF or Flaming because that 17k SoD would have been a double hit for 17k = 34k SoD. Not that it matters because not even the best GFs have 38k+34k HP = 72k HP
Also Im impressed that LB didnt take more of your HP down % wise. 38k Crit and it looks like you still have another 6k+ HP left. So its not as if your some PUG who has low HP or anything. Most GWFs are rocking aboout 40k-42k unbuffed HP, so your actually MORE tanky than the avg GWF.
The best part of ALL of this, GWFs have "Unstoppable" and Sprint which are supposed to be their "survival mechanic"
Not only did you sprint, and his LB still crit you for 38k, you then hit Unstoppable to boost your DR up but it makes no difference because his SoD bypasses ALL DR. SO even if you were immune to damage from "Steely Defense" it wouldnt matter and youd still die....
Oh wait.... I forgot, we just need to "L2P" You could have sprinted earlier and avoided that TR altogether. Maybe "L2P" means if you THINK a TR is near, just run away...
I have 76k HP In pvp.
Btw i have more problems with DC / HR and CW's 8k-15k Storm Spell then with any TR.
And unbalanced matchmaking one 22 K GS GF and four 5k GS new player Vs 25 k GS full premade or two Superman Resurrected DC's how heal 100-150 k on her self.
u win 1v1 with a cw and that is maddnes looool
your skill lvl is mediocre at best u dodge, spam some at will everything u do is random nothing fancy
u didnt even slot repel which is huge against tr if hes throwing cos but u dont know that u just QQ all day.
so even if u win 1v1 tr still needs 5,6 major nerfs
hypocrit at it finest
Btw i have more problems with DC / HR and CW's 8k-15k Storm Spell then with any TR.
And unbalanced matchmaking one 22 K GS GF and four 5k GS new player Vs 25 k GS full premade or two Superman Resurrected DC's how heal 100-150 k on her self.
plz learn tr skills u play 2 years straight u know nothing
ahhaah this guy. you go around insulting people when you are below ground level. You could only kill with multi proc shadow opportunity from bb and you claim that is skills? you should never die in a 1v1 because you know why? you can just go stealth and run around the place.
ahhaah this guy. you go around insulting people when you are below ground level. You could only kill with multi proc shadow opportunity from bb and you claim that is skills? you should never die in a 1v1 because you know why? you can just go stealth and run around the place.
lol i never insulted anyone who posted honest opinion
u need to know basic tr skills before u post 29 nerf tr threads
and regarding bb
find a player except 2 trs in mod 4 i didnt kill with df
lol i never insulted anyone who posted honest opinion
u need to know basic tr skills before u post 29 nerf tr threads
and regarding bb
find a player except 2 trs in mod 4 i didnt kill with df
find trs? or any player? because you never killed me until mod5 bb shadow opportunity greatness. Even with that i still sf you and you just run off node and get pots or heal up. If we had the node cap i would have cleared you everytime. So please stop insulting people to learn tr skills when they know tr skills but their classes dont have the mechanic to fight back. especially against itc being in the rotation.
find trs? or any player? because you never killed me until mod5 bb shadow opportunity greatness. Even with that i still sf you and you just run off node and get pots or heal up. If we had the node cap i would have cleared you everytime. So please stop insulting people to learn tr skills when they know tr skills but their classes dont have the mechanic to fight back. especially against itc being in the rotation.
Two options:
1) he's trolling
2) he's legitimately retarded
I'm leaning more on #2. He overestimates his capacities WAY too much. I've seen him in-game, a while ago he tells me to go on a certain node to 1v1, he underestimates me saying "I won't use daily". I go there, contest him, hurt him badly, he ends up using daily twice, then runs off node to heal lol.
Afterwards, he held a grudge against me for the rest of the game, ALWAYS targetting me, and NOBODY else. He even tried Shocking Executionning me twice after dazing me, failed because of Shield.
Oh what a class carry can do...
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I'm quite surprised that hit you while sprinting. Makes me realise just how bad my latency is when my LB "hits" against walking targets often do nothing.
I'm leaning more on #2. He overestimates his capacities WAY too much. I've seen him in-game, a while ago he tells me to go on a certain node to 1v1, he underestimates me saying "I won't use daily". I go there, contest him, hurt him badly, he ends up using daily twice, then runs off node to heal lol.
Afterwards, he held a grudge against me for the rest of the game, ALWAYS targetting me, and NOBODY else. He even tried Shocking Executionning me twice after dazing me, failed because of Shield.
Oh what a class carry can do...
were u get this stuff beats me
it was pug stomping and i was making some jokes lol
just shows how frustrated you are
find trs? or any player? because you never killed me until mod5 bb shadow opportunity greatness. Even with that i still sf you and you just run off node and get pots or heal up. If we had the node cap i would have cleared you everytime. So please stop insulting people to learn tr skills when they know tr skills but their classes dont have the mechanic to fight back. especially against itc being in the rotation.
i killu now u mad simlpe as that
even u admited it
but even if u can clear me tr is fine coz i clear 99% tr
so dont spam nerf post ok
It sounds like you're the one who got frustrated given that you resorted to dailies when you failed with your other powers, despite the advantage TRs have over every other class, and then poured out your petty revenge for being exposed as not as good as you think you are and thus humiliated, by targeting him.
lol it was 1v5 i was alone and was messing with them
and if im not good trs are more then fine
coz im top page 5 all the time and those trs seem to ba a problem
Are you guys talking about pug or premade matches?
Cause if you talk about pug , stop posting ANY suggestions. That includes nerfs buffs etc, you can however post some bugs or glitches if you want to
Now, if you re talking about premade matches, you wont find 3 trs on the other end, almost never, you might not even find 2 trs, and trust me , if you go premade with 2 or 3 trs ON YOUR TEAM and match up another premade of the same gs and updated pvp builds, you ll see why nerfing trs is not just a bad option, it just doesnt make sence.
Cause if you make a comp and it has 3 trs, yes , on the one havd its a troll comp, but on the other hand Trapper+CW can wipe the entire map, IF THE OTHER 3 classes DEFEND THEM
IMHO we sud FIRST demand for better matchmaking and then discuss the balance (or not) of the classes
Thank you for your time
PS1: If the posts concern 1v1 of classes then you should all go play karru and plz dont ever q for pvp
PS2: Please be careful of your language, cause if you re here to vent and really dont care what other classes have to say , well.... go play karru and dont ever Q for pvp OR POST IN FORUMS
Are you guys talking about pug or premade matches?
Cause if you talk about pug , stop posting ANY suggestions. That includes nerfs buffs etc, you can however post some bugs or glitches if you want to
Now, if you re talking about premade matches, you wont find 3 trs on the other end, almost never, you might not even find 2 trs, and trust me , if you go premade with 2 or 3 trs ON YOUR TEAM and match up another premade of the same gs and updated pvp builds, you ll see why nerfing trs is not just a bad option, it just doesnt make sence.
Cause if you make a comp and it has 3 trs, yes , on the one havd its a troll comp, but on the other hand Trapper+CW can wipe the entire map, IF THE OTHER 3 classes DEFEND THEM
IMHO we sud FIRST demand for better matchmaking and then discuss the balance (or not) of the classes
Thank you for your time
PS1: If the posts concern 1v1 of classes then you should all go play karru and plz dont ever q for pvp
PS2: Please be careful of your language, cause if you re here to vent and really dont care what other classes have to say , well.... go play karru and dont ever Q for pvp OR POST IN FORUMS
NOW Thank you for your time
I like this guy he makes more sense than most people here.
It is just funny to see the gwfs who roared out of their minds on mod 3 crying here like pathetic fools. Again, I agree that rogues are unfairly OP. You want to know whats OP? a 13k one shotting higher gs players. I have 2 rogues, one is a 20k premade sab, the second is a 13k pug exec. Which one do you think kills more? The 13k exec does. why?? My main was built to hold nodes and fight more than 1 enemy. My 13k pug is a glass cannon. I just drop a BnS dummy to refill AP, slot tactics, get the first row feat that gives ap bonus and let the SE fest begin. This is really messed up. I love to SE an enemy with less than 20% so I can get an extra daily then I SE the next target. Run around on perma, let the enemy forget that i'm there then start it all over again. (I don't even have a vorpal)
So.. my glass cannon can survive against gwfs anytime because they can't really dodge so easy victim for SE. This is messed up big time. I don't even need to use at-will or dmg encounters. Since I don't really hit anyone other than with SE or bloodbath I don't even need to worry about 2 sec reveal from stealth. Basically I have a pug nightmare but when it comes to premade, my 13k rogue will fail miserably. When it comes to dispute a node against someone that can dodge SE I am screwed.
About scoundrel. I agree the internal cooldown should increase or the time dazed should decrease. Not that I care because I can counter that but I agree it is imba.
Now stop asking for stealth nerfs and survivability nerfs. All that must be done is to rework how feats interact with each other to avoid exploitation and balance the numbers. Messing with core mechanics doesn't fix anything but creates another gap and drives players to look for other ways to compensate that.
I also think its really funny people complaining about Sab tree when they run 1 shot exec builds lol.
It was the usual progression, of course. We tested out the TRs and found out very quickly how OP the Saboteur tree was. Took all of about 24 hours from the initial preview patch. I remember the specific moment when I was like, "HOLY **** this is going to be toned down." It's also **** boring. Devs casually ignored the people that brought it to light while the rest of the "elite" TRs kept their mouths shut because they wanted it to make live.
Every TR that is a FoTM chaser is using this build and most of the rest are Executioners. At least half of the TRs in the top 50 pages would drop off within a week. Due to skill and gear. I relish in their overconfidence and wasting them with my Whisperknife/Scoundrel.
Truth is, no Saboteur that is in my relative gear area should EVER lose to me in a 1vs1. The fact that I can beat some of them speaks volumes as to how poor some of the players are. It's pathetic. The traditionally good TRs, the names we have all come to know, are just unstoppable as Saboteurs. It is the most cheese-ball, overpowered build in the brief history of this game.
Although I don't enjoy playing such a build, I can't really fault players that do. However, the smack-talking Saboteurs I run into really crack me up. Congratulations, you chose the easiest build in the game to win with. I should be impressed? Pfff.
easyest build to play by far is scoundrell high deflect ,high hp scoudrell with red glyphs and gtenes
and if u wanna impress someone then make fotm build and be the best
I agree that we rogues need a little toning down, but the rogue you reference in this video is 22k with max legendary artifacts in all slots!
I put emphasis on a little toning down, because it doesn't take a chainsaw to cut a slice of cake.
Sure, and in this video i had end game 24k GWF sentinel with all legendary and all rank 10 + full potion and with barkshield and sprinting get 38k from lashing + 17k from DoT. Look at this TR- he hasn't got even 1 potion and probably he is spec PvE becouse he has got 27k HP- so it is really bad excuse. Little toning down is not enough.
Sure, and in this video i had end game 24k GWF sentinel with all legendary and all rank 10 + full potion and with barkshield and sprinting get 38k from lashing + 17k from DoT. Look at this TR- he hasn't got even 1 potion and probably he is spec PvE becouse he has got 27k HP- so it is really bad excuse. Little toning down is not enough.
Nah, they're just a glass cannon executioner. Maxing out HP only matters if you expect to be hit.
Glass cannons/one-strikers, when striving for max damage, sacrifice their HP/defense to obtain that level of ridiculous power.
Note: I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether more nerfs need to come to TR's, just your statement about that particular one being PvE specced.
PS: The more I watch that clip, the more confused I am about how they hit you with LB. Unless they hit you and dodged backwards simultaneously, the distance doesn't make sense. Do you have any issues with latency in PvP?
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lol u seem to be forgeting 2 huge stealth nerfs we got so we can get auto crit
anyway u can QQ all u want tr is not going to be nerfed to mod 4 when 3 trs were in top 3 pages
let alone worst as u suggest
its basic logic
and if u count dc,cw with shield ,gf,gwf 2k non crit is huge more like 1k dmg average on gc
plus gc out of stealth is impossible to land
u put things out of context
u compare things u like with things u dont like
with 2 totaly different classes
its just silly
makes 0 sence
Huge stealth nerfs? Oh please. 2s reveal and at-will drain is nothing when you can jump back to stealth just after a few rolls. In fact, with the stamina consumption change TRs are more powerful than ever. More rolls = faster entry to stealth = more boosted encounters.
None of us are asking to nerf TR to the ground. If you can't understand basic concepts of balance then you shouldn't use the word 'logic' at all. You have none in you.
And the **** are you comparing again? GC post mitigation? Do you have any idea what that would make my 800 sure strike? 100-200. And that's with 9k power. Besides, GC isn't impossible to land outside of stealth. The question is, why would you try to?
HAHAHAHA! I love how you even sprinted away from the TR when you saw him knowing he would do a LB hit, only to STILL get hit by LB like 50' away from the TR.
Ontop of that, your lucky he didnt have GPF or Flaming because that 17k SoD would have been a double hit for 17k = 34k SoD. Not that it matters because not even the best GFs have 38k+34k HP = 72k HP
Also Im impressed that LB didnt take more of your HP down % wise. 38k Crit and it looks like you still have another 6k+ HP left. So its not as if your some PUG who has low HP or anything. Most GWFs are rocking aboout 40k-42k unbuffed HP, so your actually MORE tanky than the avg GWF.
The best part of ALL of this, GWFs have "Unstoppable" and Sprint which are supposed to be their "survival mechanic"
Not only did you sprint, and his LB still crit you for 38k, you then hit Unstoppable to boost your DR up but it makes no difference because his SoD bypasses ALL DR. SO even if you were immune to damage from "Steely Defense" it wouldnt matter and youd still die....
Oh wait.... I forgot, we just need to "L2P" You could have sprinted earlier and avoided that TR altogether. Maybe "L2P" means if you THINK a TR is near, just run away...
1) Executioner capstone should be PHYSICALL damage, not piercing. 50k SE + capstone (not considering all at will and 90% in most of the case) land like 100k of piercing damage on somebody just within a couple of seconds? That's too blatant to defend
2) Scoundrel's feats should respec tenacity. And yes perma-daze does exist.
3) Piercing damage is not good, I am talking about general now though. It kills shift abilities of SWs and GWFs
WTB Class Reroll please
I think all "of your weapon damage" modifiers should be changed to power, since the game favors only few classes and specs (DPS DC, trapper HR, sabo TR), allowing them deal high damage even at low levels, while others have to stack offensive stats to actually deal damage.
I have
Btw i have more problems with DC / HR and CW's 8k-15k Storm Spell then with any TR.
And unbalanced matchmaking one 22 K GS GF and four 5k GS new player Vs 25 k GS full premade or two Superman Resurrected DC's how heal 100-150 k on her self.
u win 1v1 with a cw and that is maddnes looool
your skill lvl is mediocre at best u dodge, spam some at will everything u do is random nothing fancy
u didnt even slot repel which is huge against tr if hes throwing cos but u dont know that u just QQ all day.
so even if u win 1v1 tr still needs 5,6 major nerfs
hypocrit at it finest
spot on from a true hungarian warrior
plz learn tr skills u play 2 years straight u know nothing
lol i never insulted anyone who posted honest opinion
u need to know basic tr skills before u post 29 nerf tr threads
and regarding bb
find a player except 2 trs in mod 4 i didnt kill with df
Two options:
1) he's trolling
2) he's legitimately retarded
I'm leaning more on #2. He overestimates his capacities WAY too much. I've seen him in-game, a while ago he tells me to go on a certain node to 1v1, he underestimates me saying "I won't use daily". I go there, contest him, hurt him badly, he ends up using daily twice, then runs off node to heal lol.
Afterwards, he held a grudge against me for the rest of the game, ALWAYS targetting me, and NOBODY else. He even tried Shocking Executionning me twice after dazing me, failed because of Shield.
Oh what a class carry can do...
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
I'm quite surprised that hit you while sprinting. Makes me realise just how bad my latency is when my LB "hits" against walking targets often do nothing.
were u get this stuff beats me
it was pug stomping and i was making some jokes lol
just shows how frustrated you are
i killu now u mad simlpe as that
even u admited it
but even if u can clear me tr is fine coz i clear 99% tr
so dont spam nerf post ok
needs 10 more nerfs but same time u can kill most trs and u sure can if u can kill me
lol it was 1v5 i was alone and was messing with them
and if im not good trs are more then fine
coz im top page 5 all the time and those trs seem to ba a problem
Cause if you talk about pug , stop posting ANY suggestions. That includes nerfs buffs etc, you can however post some bugs or glitches if you want to
Now, if you re talking about premade matches, you wont find 3 trs on the other end, almost never, you might not even find 2 trs, and trust me , if you go premade with 2 or 3 trs ON YOUR TEAM and match up another premade of the same gs and updated pvp builds, you ll see why nerfing trs is not just a bad option, it just doesnt make sence.
Cause if you make a comp and it has 3 trs, yes , on the one havd its a troll comp, but on the other hand Trapper+CW can wipe the entire map, IF THE OTHER 3 classes DEFEND THEM
IMHO we sud FIRST demand for better matchmaking and then discuss the balance (or not) of the classes
Thank you for your time
PS1: If the posts concern 1v1 of classes then you should all go play karru and plz dont ever q for pvp
PS2: Please be careful of your language, cause if you re here to vent and really dont care what other classes have to say , well.... go play karru and dont ever Q for pvp OR POST IN FORUMS
NOW Thank you for your time
I like this guy he makes more sense than most people here.
It is just funny to see the gwfs who roared out of their minds on mod 3 crying here like pathetic fools. Again, I agree that rogues are unfairly OP. You want to know whats OP? a 13k one shotting higher gs players. I have 2 rogues, one is a 20k premade sab, the second is a 13k pug exec. Which one do you think kills more? The 13k exec does. why?? My main was built to hold nodes and fight more than 1 enemy. My 13k pug is a glass cannon. I just drop a BnS dummy to refill AP, slot tactics, get the first row feat that gives ap bonus and let the SE fest begin. This is really messed up. I love to SE an enemy with less than 20% so I can get an extra daily then I SE the next target. Run around on perma, let the enemy forget that i'm there then start it all over again. (I don't even have a vorpal)
So.. my glass cannon can survive against gwfs anytime because they can't really dodge so easy victim for SE. This is messed up big time. I don't even need to use at-will or dmg encounters. Since I don't really hit anyone other than with SE or bloodbath I don't even need to worry about 2 sec reveal from stealth. Basically I have a pug nightmare but when it comes to premade, my 13k rogue will fail miserably. When it comes to dispute a node against someone that can dodge SE I am screwed.
About scoundrel. I agree the internal cooldown should increase or the time dazed should decrease. Not that I care because I can counter that but I agree it is imba.
Now stop asking for stealth nerfs and survivability nerfs. All that must be done is to rework how feats interact with each other to avoid exploitation and balance the numbers. Messing with core mechanics doesn't fix anything but creates another gap and drives players to look for other ways to compensate that.
I also think its really funny people complaining about Sab tree when they run 1 shot exec builds lol.
DUH
easyest build to play by far is scoundrell high deflect ,high hp scoudrell with red glyphs and gtenes
and if u wanna impress someone then make fotm build and be the best
I agree that we rogues need a little toning down, but the rogue you reference in this video is 22k with max legendary artifacts in all slots!
I put emphasis on a little toning down, because it doesn't take a chainsaw to cut a slice of cake.
Sure, and in this video i had end game 24k GWF sentinel with all legendary and all rank 10 + full potion and with barkshield and sprinting get 38k from lashing + 17k from DoT. Look at this TR- he hasn't got even 1 potion and probably he is spec PvE becouse he has got 27k HP- so it is really bad excuse. Little toning down is not enough.
Nah, they're just a glass cannon executioner. Maxing out HP only matters if you expect to be hit.
Glass cannons/one-strikers, when striving for max damage, sacrifice their HP/defense to obtain that level of ridiculous power.
Note: I am not agreeing or disagreeing on whether more nerfs need to come to TR's, just your statement about that particular one being PvE specced.
PS: The more I watch that clip, the more confused I am about how they hit you with LB. Unless they hit you and dodged backwards simultaneously, the distance doesn't make sense. Do you have any issues with latency in PvP?