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mehguy138
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...and Shocking Execution, but that's another story.
Here we go.
Saboteur
Shadowy Opportunity: When you deal damage from Stealth, you deal an additional 15/30/45/60/75% of your weapon damage as Piercing Damage. Piercing Damage cannot be deflected and ignores armor.
The problem: PD scales off all damage multipliers, which results in dealing not 75% weapon damage, but twice more. Average Shadowy Opportunity hit is about 1300-1700. You can land Dazing Strike and then throw CoS proccing SO with each hit literally melting your opponent. Which is worse, a TR needs only two lvl 60 epic weapons to deal really high damage to anyone despite their defense. This feat should be reworked or Piercing Damage should be changed to physical.
Scoundrel
Concussive Strikes: Your critical strikes and attacks from behind the target Daze foes for .5/1/1.5/2/2.5 seconds. Foes can only be dazed this way once every 5 seconds.
The problem: throwing CoS is the ultimate move to prevent your target from dodging Deft Strike or any other encounter/daily of your choice. Even without using other sources of daze, this only feat will likely interrupt most of your moves, because 2.5 seconds of not being dazed are not enough to aim anything. Rework this entirely.
Executioner
Exposed Weakness: While in Stealth, you ignore an additional 5/10/15/20/25% of your target's armor.
The problem: this feat makes all opening powers to hit like a truck. Even having zero ArP, Lashing Blade will hit hard, but with another 25% Resistance Ignored from ArP, you're getting bloody 50% RI. If you wanna see big numbers, stack ArP, 25% RI is too much for a bonus of a single feat. Rework this into something else.
Here we go.
Saboteur
Shadowy Opportunity: When you deal damage from Stealth, you deal an additional 15/30/45/60/75% of your weapon damage as Piercing Damage. Piercing Damage cannot be deflected and ignores armor.
The problem: PD scales off all damage multipliers, which results in dealing not 75% weapon damage, but twice more. Average Shadowy Opportunity hit is about 1300-1700. You can land Dazing Strike and then throw CoS proccing SO with each hit literally melting your opponent. Which is worse, a TR needs only two lvl 60 epic weapons to deal really high damage to anyone despite their defense. This feat should be reworked or Piercing Damage should be changed to physical.
Scoundrel
Concussive Strikes: Your critical strikes and attacks from behind the target Daze foes for .5/1/1.5/2/2.5 seconds. Foes can only be dazed this way once every 5 seconds.
The problem: throwing CoS is the ultimate move to prevent your target from dodging Deft Strike or any other encounter/daily of your choice. Even without using other sources of daze, this only feat will likely interrupt most of your moves, because 2.5 seconds of not being dazed are not enough to aim anything. Rework this entirely.
Executioner
Exposed Weakness: While in Stealth, you ignore an additional 5/10/15/20/25% of your target's armor.
The problem: this feat makes all opening powers to hit like a truck. Even having zero ArP, Lashing Blade will hit hard, but with another 25% Resistance Ignored from ArP, you're getting bloody 50% RI. If you wanna see big numbers, stack ArP, 25% RI is too much for a bonus of a single feat. Rework this into something else.
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so is there a way to make the TR to be as squishy as i am?
please enlight me with your opinion on nerfing TRs surviability.
Stamina cost for dodges should be increased to 35%, 4 consecutive dodge-rolls is unnecessary many, considering the amount of free deflection TRs gain. May be one could work onto their deflect severity.
Here we goes,
Saboteur
Make this feat only work with encounter or as you say not ignore armor or at least making it not working with any buff debuff capacity
Scoundrel.
Quite easy their they made it on CW, just need to put a different time of daze against player.
Executioner.
agree on this one it way too high and since it main purpose of this feat is PVP it should be half lvl. like that it would be more on what other class can get in DRI lvl
You forgot the defensive part,
Since TR mainly focus on deviate, and since it exist this much way to ignore damage resistance, their should be also easier way to ignore deflect. knock out power is the only way and they practicaly remove it. purely on GWF, and practicaly on CW by putting shard on such poor lvl both in damage and in term of knock out time against player.
on 1vs2 scenarios my gwf cannot stay alive more than 5-10 seconds.
is there a way to make the TR to have the same time as my gwf?
- Dodges need to be adjusted. 4 dodges and +50% distance is a clear overbuff. Should be 3 dodges and no extra distance or 2 dodges with bonus distance. People forget that TRs got a heroic feat that give them +10% stealth bar each time they dodge. So they easily fill 40% stealth bar while remaining immune the whole time. Too easy.
- Daze should have reduced duration on players and needs to respect tenacity and control resist. 2 easy to pull off encounters + 2 daze procs on scoundrel tree is too much without anything affecting daze duration.
- SoD needs to be fixed from multiproccing.
- Piercing needs to be removed from SE. 40k+ unmitigable and unavoidable damage (for GF, GWF and SW) is bull.
- 100% crit needs to be removed from stealth. Stealth already gives too many bonuses.
- Something has to be done with First Strike feature. +60% on first attack in combat is too much for PvP and useless in PvE. +15% damage for the first strike after leaving stealth would be better.
And the last and most important one:
- Deflect should not affect CC duration at all OR TR's deflect severity should be reduced to 50%. TRs not even flinching when getting CC'ed is bull.
Knife's Edge is a crappy feat, it's only useful in interaction with BB. If you fix multiproccing, it should be like "Decrease your cooldowns by 20/25/30/35/40% on a daily use".
I didn't say about double proccing SoD since it's a well known bug and I even reported it myself.
CD is already pretty high on those, removing daze from SS is a viable option tho.
I already suggested implementing stealth depletion on every DHS tick, but it's a bit overkill. May be reducing base duration to something like 6 seconds would work.
Also, I took the most unbalanced feats just to start with, implementing all fixes/nerfs at once may kill the class as it was with GWF.
you mean it will balance the TR and bring at the same lvl as a GWF/GF is, not killing the class.
GWF underperforms for this only reason, TRs/HRs/CWs and DPS DC have broken mechanics, understand?:)
I wouldn't suggest nerfed the feats yet. A bit prob is our ability to have a daily up every second. You start nerfing base damage and feats it is going to really limit the builds and make everyone stack action point regen.
Should be some sort of hard reset on dailies. or have them less effective if used within 15-30 seconds of each other.
Some sort of daze immunity should be implemented so you can't perma daze either.
Executioner are "pretty good"? Are you joking right now?!
When a TR can Shocking Execute a player 90%+ HP for 36k+ and kill you regardless of defensive stats/tenacity/deflect thats not "pretty good"
When a TR with NO enchants (offensive or weapon) gets an "insta" crit for 20k lashing blade as a 10k GS player thats "pretty good"?
Or Bloodbath dealing 30k+ damage and resetting CDs while being un-target table?
Or how about lashing blades that crit for 30k+ and then you get hit for a minimum 15k Shadow of Demise 3 seconds later that is irresistible damage? The double proc only makes all this worse...
Id say the top 3 issues in my book:
1) Piercing damage should ALL be removed and changed to regular damage.
2) 100% crit while stealthed - removed.
3) Daze needs to be revisited. I am not familiar with how this is working currently, but have heard TRs can basically spam CoS and its nearly perma daze (HEARD havnt SEEN). However I have felt like TRs have very exceptional CC with their new dazes.
The highest i got so far was 8 stacks with SoD....
You see, this is the problem.
Dumb****s who don't understand that TR has two(2) paragon paths.
Has it occurred to you that, I dunno, the less popular paragon path doesn't have ITC? Did it occur to you that Stealth and straight up killing the enemy first is their only defense?
Did it occur to you that only one(1) paragon path has Shoxecution?
This is why non-TRs shouldn't be posting in TR related threads. 95% of you are ****ing morons.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
Nobody cares about WhisperKnife because it's always been the inferior paragon.
WhisperKnife is only viable for Scoundrel with Vengeace's Pursuit and Hateful Knives being amazing gap-closing tools.
Other than that, Saboteur trolls with Disheartening Strike and WK executionners REALLY aren't threatening. Plus Disheartening Strike was ninja-nerfed by the developpers instead of Shocking Execution and Gloaming Cut.
It's sad but it's like that, the difference that makes a paragon trash/overpower another is always a single thing (ITC, Threatening Rush, Storm Spell, etc etc).
That being said, I respect WhisperKnives trying to be their own thing and not follow the norm while putting up a some sort of challenge.
One of the many Control Wizards that misses Shard Of The Endless Avalanche. RIP Shard (Beta-Mod3)
Oh wait this is dnd...
Ok ok remove knives edge and put backstab feat...
Adds additional 20% ignore damage reduction with attacks done from behind.
U are living proof the class is fine but some players just suck...
same time gf can stack 75k hp
and tr attack with 2k non crit gc and no daze
sure man np
even regen tick is way more then that lol
2k from an at will without crit and buffs is already much. Compare that to 800 damage for sure strike on a marked target.
just shows how u dont even have basic knowlege of this game
gc is slowest at will in game
pro tr lands 2 gc per fight
and pro tr lands 2 encounters at most per fight
if by that time target not dead it will never be dead
so in best case if not deflected tr dealth 5k dmg on tank lol
Since when do Trs NOT crit?
i was answering to your very smart friend and making a point that if u take crit from tr and piercing its useles
dont ask silly questions not in the mood
But always in the mood to defend this Joke of a class that Tr has become in pvp.
Did 15 matches today -13 had 4 Trs 1 had 3 Tr and 1 Had 2.
In every single match the one of the Trs had best Kd ratio often followed by another Tr.
Every single match was won by the Trs exept 3 where they actually played a minor part.
The team with the best 2 Trs usally dominated so hard it was over in a couple of min.
During fights in mid you hardly ever got the chanse to use any abilitys at all due to daze if any Tr was there.
This is beoynd broken its like Tr live in their own pvp and we others run around as bait.
The differance when i play my Gwf and my Hr is that Hr dont get one shotted as much due to dodge but that evens out with getting chain cced to death.
Am sorry for all of you defending this if you honestly belive yourselfs......
Then ****ing raise your crit stat. Like, you know, the rest of us.
Besides, 2k non-crit from gloaming cut is nonsense. I'm sure you can easily deal at least twice that without the help of crit.
Multiple procs on Shadow of Demise need to be sorted out, piercing damage needs to be toned down and daze should be halved against players as well.
Yup, it looks like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd8SUWztEaY&list=UUVjUUAyS6GgT42RvVQYb3AQ
Maddnes....
You must be talking about yourself there friend because Gloaming Cut is freaking Rapid fire next to Crushing surge and Cleave, and does about 3-5 times the dmg.