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Needed: AFK Penalty for Tiamat
myles08807
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First off, let me say that I've only attempted the Temple of Tiamat five times...and each time a pathetic, dismal failure. The one common feature I've seen in all these attempts is this: After the first go-round with the heads, toons start gathering in the campfire area, refusing to participate further. On my first of two attempts today, every head but white was near death going into the final round...and there were not enough people active in the zone to kill the white head and survive its breath, because at least 3/4 of the participants were AFK for one reason or another.
There should be a penalty attached to this behavior, similar to the penalty for leaving a PVP match early. Maybe a timer could count down once you either flee to the campfire (or recover consciousness there) and, after thirty seconds of not entering the combat zone, a penalty is attached that prevents you from entering the temple for a day. It's frustrating to have read the guides, to know how to do one's job, and to be betrayed by people who simply give up.
There should be a penalty attached to this behavior, similar to the penalty for leaving a PVP match early. Maybe a timer could count down once you either flee to the campfire (or recover consciousness there) and, after thirty seconds of not entering the combat zone, a penalty is attached that prevents you from entering the temple for a day. It's frustrating to have read the guides, to know how to do one's job, and to be betrayed by people who simply give up.
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I agree as I have had the same problem. Also there shoud be a GS limit set for this epic like 15k. Any lower and a person just dosen't do enough dmg to even help any.
Agree on some kind of afk penalty, not sure on specifics. You are so wrong however on the gs limit. At most 13k is needed, even though the rare 10kgs player could do enough damage.
Im done with that Tiamat allready, AFK penalty is is bad idea because sometimes instance is so badly bugged that you cant even click "respawn now" so it can look like you were AFK, but truth is that your game is frozen.... and it happen with lowest grphical settings + mip 1....
..so how you make difference "bugged game client" and "AFK player"? You cant because 75% AFK on campfire are just "frozen game client" and 23% are just "frustrated players"... 2% IDK what they do,
Not to mention, you can easily keep yourself out of afk by just jumping or moving a couple times. The instance only lasts 20 minutes and the afk timer is like 15, so they would need to majorly rework it, and again, people would just come back every X minutes, jump, then go back to youtube.
The solution is, groups and raid groups. There is a reason every game with raids lets you pr-eform them. They are starting to take their motto of "Avoid, at all costs, any concepts that have been used previously in other games" to new heights. Either that, or they know its just to easy to do with a preformed group (a good preformed raid would be able to defeat her in 1 round unless she bugged).
Heck, I'd even pay ZEN to be able to form a raid group for it...and I'm a cheap SOB.
Don't give them any ideas. People shouldn't have to pay for stuff that should already be included.
Anyway I have afk'd myself when I know for certain it's not going to work out (not that many). No point in wasting my time, especially since I can't play with guildies or friends. If I did, then I'd feel more obligated than wasting my time for the 10-12k gs'ers that think it's enough. Or for those that don't have a clue. An example of when I'd afk is when zerging and the green head isn't even close to going down. There's no way to catch up.
Usually I would support it wholeheartedly. But due to the sometimes extreme lag, some people might be unable to do anything for several minutes at a time. Happened to me the other day, quite inexplicably - I was dead and couldn't release for about 4 minutes. Never happened before, but I expect it has likely happened to other people.
You know I forgot about all the bugs. AFK penalty can't happen till the bug situation is solved.
...what if they solve primary problem first so no need make AFK penalties or some limits for GS... mmmkay?
How many of them were GF's or GWF's standing on top of the clerics?
Agreed. I've never played a MMO where you are forced to enter a "raid" with random people. In my opinion Cryptic, as a company who develops games professionally, should be very ashamed of the state Tiamat "raid" is in right now.
I know that you can NEAR them, but not on top of them! Other day had a GF and GWF working in tandem to draw them onto Linu - it was awful. Using come and get it as they spawn works wonders.
Completely disagree
They can't do damage because 80% of all time they are dead.
Why devs ruin the game, soon all zones and instances except Well of Dragons will be "dead".
Just level till 60, buy some stuff in AH and go to The well of Dragons and Temple of Tiamat.
I know much 15-17k people who stopped game, 1-2 weeks with those epic 10-13GS heroes in Temple and they gave up.
Maybe that 10K GS works with buff IV, but defenitely not with buff I(1).
When you last time saw buff IV? 0-I and sometimes II
So if you have aggro, then move them over to the side
But pretty much, you can see how the event will go if you can't get appreciable damage on the red dragon the first time around. After that, the players start just hanging in the entry room.
Not sure what to do with AFKs.
a GS of 12k to 13k seems more applicable and at the rate of getting gear from the 5 dragon monty rotation, it shouldn't be hard.
I see this happen pretty often. Sometimes it's obvious if you can barely take down green in the first round there's just no hope. Other times, however, I see 5-10 14k's+ going AFK at 5 min despite the fact that all 5 heads are at ~5-10%. We get down 3 and lose because everyone decided it wasn't going to happen when clearly it could have.
The solution of which would require the collective action of; A.) 10-12ks stay in Sharandar. B.) Don't give up when you're close even if 5-6 min left AT LEAST GIVE IT A SHOT.
Maybe just a limit on GS would be effective in dissuading nub wads from greedy grubbing a free win.
THIS.
There is a logical progression to post-60 advancement that lots of players seem to miss: Maybe one should not jump into the deep end first, but rather, hone one's skills and better one's equipment against enemies better matched to one's skill and equipment levels? IWD at least has boon requirements; shouldn't ol' Elminster expect even more from the heroes he summons to that little issue at the Well of Dragons?
I agree about the AFKing - needs a penalty, like a kick from the game after 60 seconds, allowing another person to enter the instance in place of the AFKer.
However, 15k GS is a bit high. There are more than capable people with 12k GS that can contribute. A smart gear build at 12k GS means a lot more than a GS-focused build at 15k GS. I think a 12k GS limit is fine.
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In one way yes - people should prepare for what they are going to face, on the other - if you come overprepared there is no challenge. However in this case zerg tactics is not a challenge but just a predetermined win or lose based on the combination of toons that are inside, with added lose rate caused by psychological reasons, lack of knowledge, bugs and other technical problems. Therefore as its not challenging to begin with people should overprepare.
Liar, u dont want to play with me anyway.
After many rounds with the old girl I have come to believe there should be a GS floor for entry
They could handle like the SoT skirmish
I wish they would give it some thought
But
The biggest problem I see is folks just quitting
Never quit, never surrender
Urlord
We need to find a way to expel those girl scouts that you see at the the campfire stroking their perfect vorpals because they have decided for everyone else on the run that there is no hope in winning and think it's a waste of time to fight.
What about practice? What about turning it into an opportunity to teach others some tricks? My God what has happened to chivalry? Honor? Respect for others?
Quitters never win and winners never quit. That is my thought on the matter.
Arokil
~Sanctuary~