Only if the players from top PVP guilds are controlling those toons.
Step back and look at the caliber of players who have 10k GS toons.
That's just it though, this is a theorycraft about in part, if you put such people into 10kgs toons thru stripping their toons down or whatever, if it could be done.
I've seen players give up twice in Tiamat since mod 5 came out. BOTH times it was because there were too many < 13K GS players with too low DPS. The first time, I was upset because they did so after round 1 with 2 more rounds to go. I believe they gave up too early even though it would have been very close. The last time I joined them after round 2 with two heads completely untouched because of such low DPS. The previous time the DPS was that low when I tried, we didn't make it past the 1st head of round 3. So yes, count me in for wanting and cheering for an absolute minimum floor of 13K GS to get into Tiamat.
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zekethesinnerMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 805Arc User
edited December 2014
Lets explain one thing here (OK, more than 1, pease, my lang is not so good, but try to read this and understand what i mean, im trying my best here), if u r expd player u can judge many things, u can judge when stopping dpsing head(include all those freaking dots) U can judge when dps is too low to end raid, and u can judge that if 3 min left, and u have still phase of clerics to do before phase 4, that is not doable to end raid. Many ppl just give up coz they judge bad, ofc with occasionaly cursing all aound them, even since they r those 13k underlings. But many expd players just give up so they wont any longer waste they time. I know ur ppl can be blind, many 20k+ stil dont know when to stop smashing buttons, but some of us do. AND WE KNOW WHEN RAID IS LOSE, usualy even since killing summoners phase, we can see that, all those green light of running away life, all those dying slowly summoners, all those forgoten summoners. One is hiting his summoner hard there, and wondering why so low debuff, with 10 ppl on him, and wondering why 5 green light around him, why no stuns on adds. We know, not coz we r better, but coz we can learn and we r better at this, and we CAN USE THAT KNOWLEDGE WE OBTAIN. But we make only small % of community, rest of ppl is casual to the pain.
U must remember, acctual problem with ppl under 15k is not they dps, but that they do NO DPS, coz they r dead, or lying with green halo for 15s w8 for **** reascue. And we have 2 options here, waste our dps and time to save them, and they will prolly die again soon enought or dps as much we can, while they r w8ing 15sec for rescue.... I can see many udnerlings wiping on green, or even black. problem is, that almost no one know he should use black gem 1-2 sec after blast, so he can save evry1. 20k+ dont do that coz they can take those dmg or just dodge in right time (like i do on both tr nad gf). Even if i explain, they dont lisen, when i was leading (on my GF) tact legit raids, ppl were lising, most of them, and i was taking black usualy, so i was sure it will be done. Bun now, on zerg, its not a problem when i go with 18k+, they can surivie, but when i have no luck and somehow join non time-organized raid i can see how it ends. After all this time ppl still didnt learn how to use black gem, or when to dodge to survive black head breath, r u kidding me? Its so hard to learn somthing? heck that... but they dont lisen anyway when u r trying to explain, if 1 of 10 does, its success.
Problem with current zerg raid with radom ppl 10k-25k is that, u usualy have 15-20 ppl alive on head. so u r losing 20-40% of potential dps coz of dead ones + coz of those who waste time to save them.
Then again, we need to rememeber next thing, u r not learning this game to perfection in 5 days after reaching r60, we all know its not true, even i can get some new info about some classes after those 2 years or so (not due to changes ofc). U r here considering expd player with 10k gs, doone even see stupidity of this? ONE DONT BECOME GOOD PLAYER AT 10K GS, ONE BECOMES GOOD PLAYER COZ HE LEARN! LEARNING MEANS SPENDING TIME, MUCH MUCH TIME, AND IN THAT TIME ITS ALMOST NOT POSSIBLE TO STAY AT 10k GS. Coz, just, how? U need months to learn all this knowledge, not only ur toon, but how other classe works, how to get advebtage thanks to them, how to conter them, how to recognize they builds. But if in those week/month u technicly learn, but dont develop ur toon, in terms of GS, boons and builds. Do u rly learn? Like anything?
U cant expect from 10k player to be good, it wont happend, coz he is 10k player. Even if he is smart, inteligence dont mean wisdom, Wisdom mean proper use of experience ( basicly wisdom is using experience in right way, but u can only do that with high inteligence, which is my definition of wisdom, but i know ppl dont agree with this.) And even if u know evrything of ur car, can ur trow a speed challenge to to new Lamborgini? With ur Fort T? If u even think u can, statment of u beeing expd is false.
Only if the players from top PVP guilds are controlling those toons.
Step back and look at the caliber of players who have 10k GS toons.
PvP and PvE are two different things and even if this is not a game where you can see the difference i can assure you that if you are good at pvp doesnt mean you can do PvE raids, in fact in many other games Raids are way more demanding.
PvP and PvE are two different things and even if this is not a game where you can see the difference i can assure you that if you are good at pvp doesnt mean you can do PvE raids, in fact in many other games Raids are way more demanding.
I was talking specifically about the PVP players of THIS game. Most of them came from PVE. Sure, raids in other games are more demanding, but this isn't that other game. PVE mechanics in this game is fairly simple to understand
Ok, I took my lvl 60 SW with no boons, bought Accursed Diabolist set, slotted R5s and my GS was about 10.5k. I entered Tiamat and it was insane, none of my 17k GS characters can dish out such DPS, everything was melting in seconds. I could clear mid cleric alone using TT+WB+DT and 5 stacks of DT were enough to not be killed by that crowd. We won and I scored the 3d place.
Yes, I know lots of my damage came from AD set, but I still think that it's seriously wrong to compare SW in terms of PvE damage with other classes, and it's a perfect case when one size does not fit all.
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That's just it though, this is a theorycraft about in part, if you put such people into 10kgs toons thru stripping their toons down or whatever, if it could be done.
U must remember, acctual problem with ppl under 15k is not they dps, but that they do NO DPS, coz they r dead, or lying with green halo for 15s w8 for **** reascue. And we have 2 options here, waste our dps and time to save them, and they will prolly die again soon enought or dps as much we can, while they r w8ing 15sec for rescue.... I can see many udnerlings wiping on green, or even black. problem is, that almost no one know he should use black gem 1-2 sec after blast, so he can save evry1. 20k+ dont do that coz they can take those dmg or just dodge in right time (like i do on both tr nad gf). Even if i explain, they dont lisen, when i was leading (on my GF) tact legit raids, ppl were lising, most of them, and i was taking black usualy, so i was sure it will be done. Bun now, on zerg, its not a problem when i go with 18k+, they can surivie, but when i have no luck and somehow join non time-organized raid i can see how it ends. After all this time ppl still didnt learn how to use black gem, or when to dodge to survive black head breath, r u kidding me? Its so hard to learn somthing? heck that... but they dont lisen anyway when u r trying to explain, if 1 of 10 does, its success.
Problem with current zerg raid with radom ppl 10k-25k is that, u usualy have 15-20 ppl alive on head. so u r losing 20-40% of potential dps coz of dead ones + coz of those who waste time to save them.
Then again, we need to rememeber next thing, u r not learning this game to perfection in 5 days after reaching r60, we all know its not true, even i can get some new info about some classes after those 2 years or so (not due to changes ofc). U r here considering expd player with 10k gs, doone even see stupidity of this? ONE DONT BECOME GOOD PLAYER AT 10K GS, ONE BECOMES GOOD PLAYER COZ HE LEARN! LEARNING MEANS SPENDING TIME, MUCH MUCH TIME, AND IN THAT TIME ITS ALMOST NOT POSSIBLE TO STAY AT 10k GS. Coz, just, how? U need months to learn all this knowledge, not only ur toon, but how other classe works, how to get advebtage thanks to them, how to conter them, how to recognize they builds. But if in those week/month u technicly learn, but dont develop ur toon, in terms of GS, boons and builds. Do u rly learn? Like anything?
U cant expect from 10k player to be good, it wont happend, coz he is 10k player. Even if he is smart, inteligence dont mean wisdom, Wisdom mean proper use of experience ( basicly wisdom is using experience in right way, but u can only do that with high inteligence, which is my definition of wisdom, but i know ppl dont agree with this.) And even if u know evrything of ur car, can ur trow a speed challenge to to new Lamborgini? With ur Fort T? If u even think u can, statment of u beeing expd is false.
(Sin)cerely
Kain
PvP and PvE are two different things and even if this is not a game where you can see the difference i can assure you that if you are good at pvp doesnt mean you can do PvE raids, in fact in many other games Raids are way more demanding.
I was talking specifically about the PVP players of THIS game. Most of them came from PVE. Sure, raids in other games are more demanding, but this isn't that other game. PVE mechanics in this game is fairly simple to understand
Yes, I know lots of my damage came from AD set, but I still think that it's seriously wrong to compare SW in terms of PvE damage with other classes, and it's a perfect case when one size does not fit all.
One to a handful of < 13K GS individual experiences mean absolutely nothing unless you have 25 of all the same. Then, it has meaning to the argument.
Thank you.