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mamalion1234
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hi. i liked your idea make pties too cooperate and communicate and the effort that need to complete the tiamat encounter.But are some poeple exploit the fact that they can attack each head all together no matter if is its their colour or not.My concern is why we have gems and colours if all are able to attack the same head.i suggest a pt who attack different head than its color to do 0 damage to be useless.i hate to see poeple with no effort without communication to able to get linus favor.
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Some parties need help from others to slay their head. If everyone attacks each head one at a time works.....good for them!!!
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I don't understand some of the posts you people put up.
last phase,
+ Black to RED & White to RED
,for cleric phase all teams was well placed for protection.
So if HE design is poor, why cry if random teams find pretty good way to beat it... and still teams fails it.
ps. I too dont understand why this post is here...
Unsurprisingly, 5 groups usually fail, and the completely opposite tactics of having one group of 25 or two groups of 12 is more successful.
There is no exploit here.
And there is not much choice either. The Cryptic way (five groups), if you are knowledgeable, well-coordinated but someone somewhere is below 20k gs you fail, and if all of you are over 20k gs but not all speaking the dominant language of the given timezone (say, turkish) you fail. The Cryptic way, you have to be both all 20k+ and on the same TeamSpeak..
With the Zerg technique, you can win if you are either über-geared or well-coordinated. Or both, but it's not mandatory.
If Cryptic wants to force players to play the skirmish the way Cryptic wants, they have to make the five-group option the most efficient option. For instance by improving considerably the damage your group delivers to "your" head, and improving considerably also the damage delivered to you by the other heads.
yes , is a tactic .We ask them all to work together and kill 1 head 1 by 1 . Is that wrong ? Yes we want to win , you are right but we didnt cheat , we killed the dragon . If you dont like the tactic we use to kill the dragon then use your own . Next , if we use the 5 group way , a lot of people just dont wanna listen , we ask them to make group they dont want to , We make group and ask them to join they reject , and lose the fight .
Fact is, Tiamat is so ridiculously easy if I had the ability to invite 24 friends/guildies we'd take her down in one phase, but that's another problem....
My only problem with that tactic is the lack of communication in the Tiamat mission. If you can get a whole 25 man group on the same page then it can be a great way to win the mission, but I am not confident that a "Zerg" will be able to stop damaging a head at the proper time.
Running with the NW_Legit_Community we usually use the method that I suggest in my guide (Basic Guide to Killing Tiamat), and due to the generally more informed nature of the Average Legit member, we succeed at an impressive % of attempts. Once we can organize 5 man groups we might be able to switch up the basic tactics to make the run a lot smoother.
I think some of the instances succeded as split groups.
I just killed Tiamat with that said tactic, where one guy -thanks Eric Cartman from Nightmare Inc.- did all the calls. It was new to me, but it worked with great success.
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Done it both way and each head own teams is most what fails, 10x succes with whole group attack heads one by one.
Most failures with Brute force came because 3 - 5 players did not understand what to do and tried SOLO per head...
Most failures with team per head came because individual team lacks DPS or slay head too early... many way to fail here.
...so both tactics will fail because individual players/teams fails work with whole team so we need "Premades" for this encounter so high DPS monsters can carry their Guildies through encounter and Guildless players got good reason find Guild.
And then all Drama after encounter is "woohooo we did it" or "...hmmm, we do it better on next run", no more trashtalk here or there, only glitches/lag/bad design stays...
So let me get this straight. Because you don't like how some people are doing the instance, you want them to break it? What if I don't like the way you want to do it. Should I ask them to make it so only one dragon can take damage at any given time?
I am all for experimenting, and finding a better way to do the encounter. All I said was "I am not confident that you will get an average PUG to stop the zerg rush before killing a head" And I still stand by that. If everyone follows directions I am sure it is a great way to do the mission. But that is a big IF.
The average pug won't have enough DPS to kill the head to begin with.
True. Every instance where the average GS is below 15k-16k is a guaranteed failure. For the 5 team tactics you need 19k+ teams that know how to play.
I've seen people defending the low gs requirement in the feedback thread, but no matter how good you are, at 14k you just don't have enough DPS to beat Tiamat.
So until we can queue with a premade the only tactics that's guaranteed to work, if there's enough high gs ppl on your instance, is the "zerg" tactics. While after we can queue with premades no tactics will work for the pugs, since they won't have the dps to beat it.
Can't agree with you anymore for your comments. And he looks like confuses the use of the gem. GEM is not use to hurt the dragon, it is use to protect player to suffer dragon's deadly aoe damage, you can stand on the green or blue dragon's aoe attack without gem protection if you like.
Current tactic is benefits everyone, low gs player can be involved. Union is strength.
Btw, if dev changes the fight methods like he suggested, it will be almost 90% of fight will be fail. Especially with current broken premade team and player able switch instance. When one group don't have enough dps, and other group player can't do damage to the dragon cuz they don't have the proper color gem. Then it is gg and everyone can leave the fight to save their time.
I would like to do the raid properly...but that would require cryptic dumbing the raid down to insulting levels so the 10k button mashers wouldn't mess it up for the higher geared players. The zerg is the only thing that pugs seem to understand and the only thing that crosses the multiple lingual barriers. Just like the white through red rotation was developed for the dragon heralds and is now the accepted standard on how to handle the dragons, the zerg has become the standard in the raid. Whatever works the easiest and allows the most minimal of group coorperation and tactics to be used will inevitably be adopted by 90% of the nw population
Uhh,there's a standard zerg timer so you can get all-zerg players. These instances fail a lot. I maybe lose one in ten tactic matches using timed emntry. Tactic does not mean you only fight one dragon. When close to 10% you look for one that is close and has HP and break off toassist that team. Very clean if everyone is on the plan. Even with some low GS players it works out. I mean I tried zerg but there are only so many hours in a day and I need my Linus. I wasted a couple onexperiments and went back to what works. The Tactic groups I had that failed all started the same way. Someone in /say telling everyone to zerg rather than grouping up and getting to work.....
This is literally the most wrong thing I've ever seen someone post on these forums. The best group I ended up with so far was 5 people in the 14k range. We could have killed our head in the first round if we wanted to, yet we still had time to assist an adjacent team that struggled to keep up. Gear Score is almost meaningless. Period. End of story.