Probably not unless they cut the price of book by 50%. 50 secrets and 50 sigils for a book means 10 days of farming and all these dailies take me 1h30 on ONE char. I play two.
get everything they want in 1 day, the artifact wep, belt and boon books. Not fair at all when this game is meant to be free to play, that's not the case when it makes pvp almost impossible for low gs players.
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It was kind of funny to see people with orange artifact weapons and belts a week before double refine weekend.
Yeah though. Things have gotten kind of ugly in the game. If you want to be competitive in the pvp mode the amount of ad you have to shell out is nuts.
Gotta be the right race so its either not your first character or a race reroll, rank 10 enchants, perfect weapon and armour enchant, 3 orange artifacts, black ice gear best kept tier 3 fresh with a purple pick axe, orange weapon but the right weapon, orange con belt, overload glyphs, 30minute pots that last through death, boons from all campaigns, rings that drop from doing plenty of pvp and in the future apparently artifact offhands and some other piece.
lol post is edited but lets put it one way, it benefits one group of people financially. Kill the free player whales, kill them all
I have 12 characters, I like NW and my newest character is a Rogue. I took one step into sharandar, took a a look around and walked out. I thought maybe I would get the three boons from dread ring, faster and more rewarding then Sharandar (salvageable), couldn't even make it to Knox. I spent the $100 and brought the tokens. Ya, it's alot, but I'm actually quite happy to have the boons and without the grind. I am actually hoping they do the same for all. It is alot of money, but after doing it 5 Times, I feel if someone asked me to do the it for them, I would charge them $1000 each campaign and maybe $2000 ToD.
I think if you did the grind on 2 characters, you should just have it auto unlocked. They get you good in this game, the combat mechanics are good, the initial content and dungeons were fun and challenging. But then no more content, only grind grind grind. For the new player with just one character, it's not horrible, you can play another game and do the minimal, but it seems this game punishes the veterans that have all classes and like to do all things in game, pve and pvp. No new content leaves us with pvp, which with the poor match making and huge gs gaps and weird builds people come up with to one shot you with you something you can't block. As a veteran you know its about gear, which you can only get from grinding.
So the most likely is they are not going to cater to the veterans because of this, most will only focus one character. Find the best build, put everything into into and be god in pve/pvp. Better for business for him to be gone, how long you will you play the same 2 pvp arena's and button smash everyone to death before you leave. The money is in the new players, not the old. Unless they can come up with the most advanced match making in any mmo they will ensure a good match (if people wouldn't complain about slow que times also) , there is no way to fix the gs gap. A more skill based system to compensate would be good I think, someone skilled might have a chance to still hold there in if in their roll against another higher gs less skilled player for errors in match making. But this is so far from where they have gone I don't see it happening.
Will I grind, nope. I will play until mod 6 or mod 7 and hope they come up with tokens for the grinds, in the means time, I will still look for whatever friends I still have left in game and lfg dungeons. I figure if I sell everything I get from dungeons, and dailies until next mod, and don't spend all my ad on stupid things. I can save the 2.5M it would cost to purchase enough zen for another token. I think this is a much better way to go if you are willing to not have everything right away.
I can't see grinding tha same garbage for another three months. There's the option of just buying it but why spend money on a game that has content you are sick of running? Pointless.
why should everyone have acces to this books? stop whining..
i play almost everyday and yes being the best by farming is OK with me, not taking the easy way everytime.
so yeah i agree with more dailies, rather than gettin them in a easy way.
why should everyone have acces to this books? stop whining..
i play almost everyday and yes being the best by farming is OK with me, not taking the easy way everytime.
so yeah i agree with more dailies, rather than gettin them in a easy way.
How about getting stuff from a RAID or DUNGEON that are actually hard???
For me, it really is a question of which is the least insulting: SoT, LoL, or Daily Grind. For me, personally, the answer is a very easy: Daily Grind. Yeah, it may be boring, and yeah, it may take you a while, but at least you know where you stand. The drop rate in SoT and LoL is just insulting to the point of being a complete waste of time. So, yeah, I'll grind; when I have nothing better to do.
Telling us about upcoming content updates, and getting those updates out the door BUG-FREE, is *AWESOME*!! Know what's even *MORE* awesome? Fixing game breaking bugs (and/or undocumented "features") that have been in EXISTING content for months/years!!! Guess which one makes me want to spend money on a game much more than the other? Hint: It's the "more awesome" one.
why should everyone have acces to this books? stop whining..
i play almost everyday and yes being the best by farming is OK with me, not taking the easy way everytime.
so yeah i agree with more dailies, rather than gettin them in a easy way.
Dailies... oh my god no more dailies PLEASE
anyone wanting more dailies doesn't have a life.
I was wanting to answer both yes and no. There are two books, 4th and 5th boon. Each of them needs 100 Sigils. My plan is to grind one and buy the other. By the time I get the 100 Sigils, in a few months, I will probably have stacked enough AD, unless AH prices go up a lot.
ToD = ..........
Tired of Dailies/Tyranny of Dailies/Timers of Doom/Tricked Or Duped/Tremendously Obnoxious Dailies/Try Otherwise, Devs
The question is about the coming module not the current one.
You need the current books a second time in the new module.
Are you willing to get them by grinding out the campaign currency by killing dragons, stealing lightning bottles etc? Yes you will spend a month doing just that. No I will not bother.
Getting a lucky drop or just buying them doesn't count. .
The question is not "will you" but "do you want". I'm absolutely sure, that the vast majority will grind those books even if they hate it so much, because there's nothing left to do except this. You either grind dailies or play another game. Neverwinter doesn't provide much of an enjoyable or fun content, you mostly play to keep your character progressing in GS or to accumulate currencies for future purposes. It's not like "I log in to have fun", it's "I log in because I have to".
Doesn't matter if people like books or don't, there will be more of them.
M6 almost drains your soul given how boring it is. (c) joocycuzzzzzz
I suppose we have some death of the author going on then because I meant will you not do you want to when I made the thread.
As for the consequences sure, if the dungeon is bad and the old content remains basically dead and all that remains is terrible daily quests and payers v poors I absolutely will go to another game instead and just build ad via gateway until the next module. Might pop around for cta or winter event but yeah. There are a lot of good games to play.
No more farming. 1000+ dragons killed, Great Success all the time, no belt. Many skirmishes, no book. I am a pvp player, not a grinder. This stupid idea with grinding will kill the game. I will quit for sure. Too bad, it was a good game for pvp, but it is stupid to need luck, not skills for some boons or items. Bye, bye!
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited October 2014
I voted no, but the answer is more "I don't know".
It depends what the future of Neverwinter holds.
I'm not certain if the intent was to introduce a campaign that would be worked on over a long period of time, not really in keeping with how campaigns mainly get played, where people earn their boons and never look back unless they're visiting the content for something specific (mostly farming RP-stuffs).
Because I can see the sanity of playing it like... oh sure, today I'll kill two dragons and do a couple of quests but skip the lair because I don't really like that one, and tomorrow I'll ignore ToD altogether, and Saturday I'll do everything, and in 6 months of picking away at it, I'll have amassed enough things to get one boon book for one character.
But mostly people look at the requirements and just want to cry.
I love my characters and I want them to have nice things. They've all done Sharandar and Dread Ring. 6 have finished IWD to the point of unlocking everything, 2 more are done all the boons, and 2 more are chugging away at it at a reasonable pace.
I'm up to assisting Zhentarim on just about everyone, but then? I don't know. I don't hate the quests individually.
But it almost seems more feasible to do the one quest in Icespire every day for a year (minimal travel time) and run the sigil-dragons a bit along with the portal weekly than it does to decide you need to spend a dedicated month per book. And maybe that was intended, to make it a long term project to nibble at, rather than all-consuming.
The thing is, the campaigns that (imo) successfully make use of incremental progress let you see it, and make you work on it over a much shorter time frame. DR doles out a cipher per day, and you rank up your studies steadily and regularly. You can see your progress in the IWD reputation system, and then make meaningful choices about what to unlock first. Sharandar has that big gap of no progress in the middle other than amassing currency, which really puts people off, and Cryptic seemed to learn from that. And now once again ToD has this incredibly long period of looking at the campaign tracker to see how much currency you've got, while being able to do precisely nothing, unless you decide to sacrifice some of your tokens to make an enchant... but nothing meaningful. And collecting the needed currency takes up far more in-game time than Sharandar, where the off periods were at least something that took mere minutes per day, or you could say "eh, I'll just do the reservoir, so what if it adds a few weeks".
If the book drop rates in the dungeon and skirmish hadn't been garbage, we wouldn't be talking about this. When we previewed the campaign, we honestly thought the books at the vendor were intended for the phenomenally unlucky or devout solo players, not the primary way of obtaining them. How wrong we were.
i only have 3 ToD boons now and i dont do the ToD dailies, not anymore. screw the grind, i only log in now to test TR on preview and pray/professions/try to get a dungeon once in a while (and fail) on live server.
91/100 either won't do the book grind or intensely don't want to. Of the 9 who said they will do it 2 said they intend to sell them for ad like goldfarmers and at least 1 troll yes that we know of.
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It was kind of funny to see people with orange artifact weapons and belts a week before double refine weekend.
Yeah though. Things have gotten kind of ugly in the game. If you want to be competitive in the pvp mode the amount of ad you have to shell out is nuts.
Gotta be the right race so its either not your first character or a race reroll, rank 10 enchants, perfect weapon and armour enchant, 3 orange artifacts, black ice gear best kept tier 3 fresh with a purple pick axe, orange weapon but the right weapon, orange con belt, overload glyphs, 30minute pots that last through death, boons from all campaigns, rings that drop from doing plenty of pvp and in the future apparently artifact offhands and some other piece.
lol post is edited but lets put it one way, it benefits one group of people financially. Kill the free player whales, kill them all
I think if you did the grind on 2 characters, you should just have it auto unlocked. They get you good in this game, the combat mechanics are good, the initial content and dungeons were fun and challenging. But then no more content, only grind grind grind. For the new player with just one character, it's not horrible, you can play another game and do the minimal, but it seems this game punishes the veterans that have all classes and like to do all things in game, pve and pvp. No new content leaves us with pvp, which with the poor match making and huge gs gaps and weird builds people come up with to one shot you with you something you can't block. As a veteran you know its about gear, which you can only get from grinding.
So the most likely is they are not going to cater to the veterans because of this, most will only focus one character. Find the best build, put everything into into and be god in pve/pvp. Better for business for him to be gone, how long you will you play the same 2 pvp arena's and button smash everyone to death before you leave. The money is in the new players, not the old. Unless they can come up with the most advanced match making in any mmo they will ensure a good match (if people wouldn't complain about slow que times also) , there is no way to fix the gs gap. A more skill based system to compensate would be good I think, someone skilled might have a chance to still hold there in if in their roll against another higher gs less skilled player for errors in match making. But this is so far from where they have gone I don't see it happening.
Will I grind, nope. I will play until mod 6 or mod 7 and hope they come up with tokens for the grinds, in the means time, I will still look for whatever friends I still have left in game and lfg dungeons. I figure if I sell everything I get from dungeons, and dailies until next mod, and don't spend all my ad on stupid things. I can save the 2.5M it would cost to purchase enough zen for another token. I think this is a much better way to go if you are willing to not have everything right away.
i play almost everyday and yes being the best by farming is OK with me, not taking the easy way everytime.
so yeah i agree with more dailies, rather than gettin them in a easy way.
How about getting stuff from a RAID or DUNGEON that are actually hard???
Dailies... oh my god no more dailies PLEASE.
Dailies... oh my god no more dailies PLEASE
anyone wanting more dailies doesn't have a life.
Tired of Dailies/Tyranny of Dailies/Timers of Doom/Tricked Or Duped/Tremendously Obnoxious Dailies/Try Otherwise, Devs
You need the current books a second time in the new module.
Are you willing to get them by grinding out the campaign currency by killing dragons, stealing lightning bottles etc? Yes you will spend a month doing just that. No I will not bother.
Getting a lucky drop or just buying them doesn't count. .
Doesn't matter if people like books or don't, there will be more of them.
As for the consequences sure, if the dungeon is bad and the old content remains basically dead and all that remains is terrible daily quests and payers v poors I absolutely will go to another game instead and just build ad via gateway until the next module. Might pop around for cta or winter event but yeah. There are a lot of good games to play.
It depends what the future of Neverwinter holds.
I'm not certain if the intent was to introduce a campaign that would be worked on over a long period of time, not really in keeping with how campaigns mainly get played, where people earn their boons and never look back unless they're visiting the content for something specific (mostly farming RP-stuffs).
Because I can see the sanity of playing it like... oh sure, today I'll kill two dragons and do a couple of quests but skip the lair because I don't really like that one, and tomorrow I'll ignore ToD altogether, and Saturday I'll do everything, and in 6 months of picking away at it, I'll have amassed enough things to get one boon book for one character.
But mostly people look at the requirements and just want to cry.
I love my characters and I want them to have nice things. They've all done Sharandar and Dread Ring. 6 have finished IWD to the point of unlocking everything, 2 more are done all the boons, and 2 more are chugging away at it at a reasonable pace.
I'm up to assisting Zhentarim on just about everyone, but then? I don't know. I don't hate the quests individually.
But it almost seems more feasible to do the one quest in Icespire every day for a year (minimal travel time) and run the sigil-dragons a bit along with the portal weekly than it does to decide you need to spend a dedicated month per book. And maybe that was intended, to make it a long term project to nibble at, rather than all-consuming.
The thing is, the campaigns that (imo) successfully make use of incremental progress let you see it, and make you work on it over a much shorter time frame. DR doles out a cipher per day, and you rank up your studies steadily and regularly. You can see your progress in the IWD reputation system, and then make meaningful choices about what to unlock first. Sharandar has that big gap of no progress in the middle other than amassing currency, which really puts people off, and Cryptic seemed to learn from that. And now once again ToD has this incredibly long period of looking at the campaign tracker to see how much currency you've got, while being able to do precisely nothing, unless you decide to sacrifice some of your tokens to make an enchant... but nothing meaningful. And collecting the needed currency takes up far more in-game time than Sharandar, where the off periods were at least something that took mere minutes per day, or you could say "eh, I'll just do the reservoir, so what if it adds a few weeks".
If the book drop rates in the dungeon and skirmish hadn't been garbage, we wouldn't be talking about this. When we previewed the campaign, we honestly thought the books at the vendor were intended for the phenomenally unlucky or devout solo players, not the primary way of obtaining them. How wrong we were.
Neverwinter Census 2017
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IF THE CASUAL PLAYERS STOP PLAYING, THEN THE MEMBER WHO DO PAY WON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYMORE TO HAVE TOP GEAR.
Please think about that, Cryptic.
No worries all... open lockboxes for the new relic and sigils and cult secrets will be raining from the skies!! Moar books for all
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