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Killing flames nerf?

candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
edited October 2014 in The Nine Hells
I've tested it and seens that it no longer procs creeping death. Can anyone else confirm that?
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  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    also hellish rebuke doesn't procs creeping death
  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Eldritch blast also doesn't procs it.
  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Member Posts: 601 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    These powers never caused Creeping Death and if they did it was a bug. Creeping Death is only triggered by necrotic damage according to the tooltip. Killing Flame, Hellish Rebuke, and Eldritch Blast are all fire damage.
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  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    it used to trigger it, killing flames was the most powerfull necrotic damage we had, as you can see on any SW build/guide
  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    candinho2 wrote: »
    it used to trigger it, killing flames was the most powerfull necrotic damage we had, as you can see on any SW build/guide

    Except it was a bug, it was never suppossed to. It should have been fire damage and not necrotic.
  • gabrieldourdengabrieldourden Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,212 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Pretty much.
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  • inthere23inthere23 Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I switched to temptation because lifedrinker enchant didn't proc it either, has that at least been fixed?
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  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    inthere23 wrote: »
    I switched to temptation because lifedrinker enchant didn't proc it either, has that at least been fixed?

    Lifedrink no longer proc creeping death, but used to
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    candinho2 wrote: »
    it used to trigger it, killing flames was the most powerfull necrotic damage we had, as you can see on any SW build/guide
    I played SW from the day of release on Preview. I don't remember KF ever being anything other than fire damage. There WAS a bug early on where Creeping Death was proccing from ALL damage types and not just necrotic damage. Maybe that's what you're remembering?

    In any case, that bug was fixed on Preview and CD has only ever procced from necrotic damage on Live. That's why there are all those feats in the Fury tree for triggering necrotic damage from other damage types.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    That's why there are all those feats in the Fury tree for triggering necrotic damage from other damage types.

    which actually don't trigger it according to my parses.
  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    which actually don't trigger it according to my parses.

    Yep, it dont procs CD, not a single feat procs it. wich forces SW ro rely on WB to be able to proc CD, or use weak encounters only, Btw if u use WB ->VE-> any other curse consume skill WB ends before applying the effect
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    charononus wrote: »
    which actually don't trigger it according to my parses.
    I think they broke it when they fixed the non-necrotic triggering bug. That's why necrotic damage boons and enchants don't trigger it when really they should.
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  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    candinho2 wrote: »
    Yep, it dont procs CD, not a single feat procs it. wich forces SW ro rely on WB to be able to proc CD, or use weak encounters only, Btw if u use WB ->VE-> any other curse consume skill WB ends before applying the effect
    Weak encounters?

    Run WC->WB->DT and watch enemies melt in seconds. That sequence will give you a full 5 stacks of the DT buff/debuff and a huge number of CD stacks. I was pumping out ridiculous amounts of damage using that rotation on my Fury 'lock.
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  • kattefjaeskattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    inthere23 wrote: »
    I switched to temptation because lifedrinker enchant didn't proc it either, has that at least been fixed?

    Weapon enchant procs of any kind don't proc it any more- maybe that was related to the old bug where all damage did so?
  • jondbxjondbx Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    Weak encounters?

    Run WC->WB->DT and watch enemies melt in seconds. That sequence will give you a full 5 stacks of the DT buff/debuff and a huge number of CD stacks. I was pumping out ridiculous amounts of damage using that rotation on my Fury 'lock.

    Last time I parsed, that rotation was not giving any stacks of creeping death.
  • championshewolfchampionshewolf Member Posts: 601 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    jondbx wrote: »
    Last time I parsed, that rotation was not giving any stacks of creeping death.

    There's a reason I trust ACT about as far as I can throw it since it relies on collecting information from the game client and since the game client doesn't report data properly that makes the data from ACT inaccurate at best.
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  • charononuscharononus Member Posts: 5,715 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    jondbx wrote: »
    Last time I parsed, that rotation was not giving any stacks of creeping death.

    You can watch the stacks pile up from it if you use it on a boss mob. I haven't looked at that specifically on a parse, but you really can watch that rotation add creeping death stacks.
  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Actually, there is some feat in Fury tree called Executioner's Gift. That's what procs Creeping death.

    Case closed.
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  • veshorokveshorok Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 127 Bounty Hunter
    edited September 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    Actually, there is some feat in Fury tree called Executioner's Gift. That's what procs Creeping death.

    Hm..i thought the description was referring to necrotic type of at-wills and encounters..
    it'd be really good if any encounter deals additional necrotic damage..
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  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    Weak encounters?

    Run WC->WB->DT and watch enemies melt in seconds. That sequence will give you a full 5 stacks of the DT buff/debuff and a huge number of CD stacks. I was pumping out ridiculous amounts of damage using that rotation on my Fury 'lock.

    I know, and i also use that rotation, but, if i need to keep me alive on high damage mobs/boss or big pulls, i use VE, wich if used ater WB, the the next curse consume skill will ends WB so if u use WB->VE->DT u'll notice that there're no DT stacks and no more WB effect.
  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    vasdamas wrote: »
    Actually, there is some feat in Fury tree called Executioner's Gift. That's what procs Creeping death.

    Case closed.
    lol it procs CD just for you, cause i've that feat and never saw it procing CD
  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    So for those of you checking ACT and/or just watching your combat info in the chat window, what actually procs Creeping Death?
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  • cayappcayapp Member Posts: 826 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Well the issue with reading what procs creeping death is not easy to figure out, as the combat log does not show it, only shows creeping death hitting for damage.
  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    cayapp wrote: »
    Well the issue with reading what procs creeping death is not easy to figure out, as the combat log does not show it, only shows creeping death hitting for damage.

    right - that's the problem I'm having. I don't know what procs it therefore I can't try to make efficient use of it. I know that I see it once in a while when attacking but I have no idea what I've just done to make it proc.
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  • angrymanagementangrymanagement Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    championshewolf wrote: »
    There's a reason I trust ACT about as far as I can throw it since it relies on collecting information from the game client and since the game client doesn't report data properly that makes the data from ACT inaccurate at best.

    Get the 2.2 Neverwinter plugin. Combatlog seems to be pretty accurate & that's what ACT uses. If your using an older neverwinter add-in, the damage can be misgrouped to powers/players.
  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    cayapp wrote: »
    Well the issue with reading what procs creeping death is not easy to figure out, as the combat log does not show it, only shows creeping death hitting for damage.
    Creeping Death has a stack icon on the target buff/debuff bar. It should be possible to do testing on dummies to strip out what feats/powers add to that stack.
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  • twilightwatchmantwilightwatchman Member Posts: 2,007 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    Creeping Death has a stack icon on the target buff/debuff bar. It should be possible to do testing on dummies to strip out what feats/powers add to that stack.
    Did some limited testing last night and confirmed that Critical Promise and Blades of the Vanquished Armies do not currently proc Creeping Death. However, there is an incoming fix on Preview that should address this. Apparently a number of powers/feats were not correctly flagged as Necrotic and so were not triggering CD. This patch should fix that. Which will be a significant boost to Fury DPS methinks.
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  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    twilightwatchman wrote: »
    Apparently a number of powers/feats were not correctly flagged as Necrotic and so were not triggering CD. This patch should fix that. Which will be a significant boost to Fury DPS methinks.
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  • kolatmasterkolatmaster Member Posts: 3,111 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    PS - Are there notes for this patch? If there is I somehow missed them... lol
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  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    kolatmaster wrote: »
    PS - Are there notes for this patch? If there is I somehow missed them... lol

    In the general balance changes thread for upcoming stuff to be pushed to preview. Which means they may not get scheduled to go into a weekly fix any time soon.
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