If it's any consolation, I never buy from 1AD undercutters because those people are *unscrupulous*.
Yes, me too.
When I first started playing, the first Guide to the AH I read said that undercutting by 1 AD just makes you look cheap and crooked, so don't do it.
So I don't do it and don't buy from those that do. I think that buying for 1 AD less makes ME look cheap and crooked.
I always post things at a reasonable % lower than the lowest already up if I want a quick sale. Also to guarantee a sale, as sometimes I have had items posted back after 5 days as no one wanted it, even at my wonderful, low, low bargain price.
I also check how long things have been up, as that might tell me whether the lowest posted price is still too high.
I also agree the sorting functions and the item categories need some work done on them. The AH can display only 400 items at once, and there are often far more than that.
EG, if you want something with Deflect and Critical Strike, it often does not work. If you use both of those, it will show items with one or the other, not just those with both.
And if you use the word "Parrying" in the search function and use the property filter for "Critical Strike", you get everything with "Parrying" in the name, not just those with Critical Strike as well as Deflection.
A more Advanced Search function would help. Something like MS Access, being able to use AND and OR operators would help a lot.
I also agree the sorting functions and the item categories need some work done on them. The AH can display only 400 items at once, and there are often far more than that.
This is something that irks me a little. If they are going to keep that limit, then they need to prioritize those 400 items better. I ran into this when I noticed I couldn't find some things I was selling.
For example: I noticed a simple search for footman with no category selected shows the leadership asset. But it doesn't show the cheapest ones. If you select a category, then it shows the cheaper ones.
I can only assume its the search putting other items with the word footman in the name into those 400 slots. But its still showing you some of the footman assest. So even if that's the case, why wouldn't the AH show you the cheaper ones? Seems like it would be natural for the AH to prioritize in a way that shows buyers the best deals. But it doesn't.
Oh to make one more comment about the AH, if you want example of how it is more of a biased environment take a look at things like marks of potency, greater marks pretty much always sell HIGHER than the bizarre vendor sells them for, all this is doing is playing in the ignorance of new players or people that just don't pay attention to where things are. Blue marks also get sold higher ... so there is abuse of sorts that happen in the AH ... the idea of "its a shame to let a sucker keep his money" is probably the worst excuse of human behavior there is. Players only want exploitation and they want things now ... neither is a recipe for a balanced system when the driving force is left in their hands ... take away choice ... they don't deserve it, just set prices or only allow AH to list items to be traded for other items.
Leave AD accumulation for dailies and buying of things from market vendors and other AD costing things (crafting).
LMAO, have you also bought my bag of holes? Sucker!
This is something that irks me a little. If they are going to keep that limit, then they need to prioritize those 400 items better. I ran into this when I noticed I couldn't find some things I was selling.
Yes, I noticed that a while back. I think it was with Blackdagger Equipment Caches. I could not find any on the AH, so I had to guess the price I should ask. So I put them up in bundles of 1, 5, 10 and 20, with a better discount for the bigger bundles. I figured that a new player without much gear or AD might want to take the chance - at least he could get some gold from selling the gear if it was no use to him, and I'd get a few extra AD as I already had 400 gold.
But when I went back the next day, I could not find them! So no wonder I could not find any in the first place - some items are invisible to the search engine. They got posted back to me in the mail. Other gear caches sold well, though.
I also learned the lesson of having a decent reserve price. Some git bought my Rank 8 Lightning enchant at the last minute for an absolute fortune less than it was worth. I did not have enough AD to set the reserve price at 85% of the buyout, and I paid the price!
Disagree on the first. The AH cut is an AD sink. It also forces players to price their stuff more appropriately. Not a very bright idea to change it.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited September 2014
While tangentially on the subject of how to guarantee your stuff goes unsold, one that particularly drives me bonkers is people with several of a slow-selling, big-ticket item who decide it's an awesome idea to post them all at once. Even better when they undercut themselves, putting each lot up with an incrementally lower price... bizarre.
While tangentially on the subject of how to guarantee your stuff goes unsold, one that particularly drives me bonkers is people with several of a slow-selling, big-ticket item who decide it's an awesome idea to post them all at once. Even better when they undercut themselves, putting each lot up with an incrementally lower price... bizarre.
This is probably the only way to test the market. We have absolutely no data about market prices (i'll just leave this hint here) and running empirical tests at our own expense is the only way to find out how much average buyers will pay for an item.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited September 2014
I don't mean a major spread that would indicate any kind of logical testing, I mean 5 auctions in a row with prices like
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Like the only internal logic applying is that each sequential auction MUST be priced lower than the previous one, even if they are all posted by the same entity.
Not sure if maybe it comes from rounding off the suggested AH pricing, possibly, as I know this sometimes adjusts itself downwards from my asking prices when I'm posting a few lots of some kind of consumable. but I don't think the spread is big enough for that to account for it.
While tangentially on the subject of how to guarantee your stuff goes unsold, one that particularly drives me bonkers is people with several of a slow-selling, big-ticket item who decide it's an awesome idea to post them all at once. Even better when they undercut themselves, putting each lot up with an incrementally lower price... bizarre.
Did you check the times? It is possible what happens is that someone undercuts them and they post a second just below that, etc....
Eventually the lowest priced items get won and all you are left with is a succession of posted items by the same buyer with slightly different buyouts.
While tangentially on the subject of how to guarantee your stuff goes unsold, one that particularly drives me bonkers is people with several of a slow-selling, big-ticket item who decide it's an awesome idea to post them all at once. Even better when they undercut themselves, putting each lot up with an incrementally lower price... bizarre.
Sometimes I undercut myself, but not in a purposeful row like that. I mean I put stuff up in bulk for one price. If I wind up needing AD in a hurry for something I might put a lesser amount up undercutting everyone (including myself). Then need to do it again if I'm in a huge hurry and someone just undercut me. Its better than relisting the bulk sale and scrapping its posting fee.
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Yes, me too.
When I first started playing, the first Guide to the AH I read said that undercutting by 1 AD just makes you look cheap and crooked, so don't do it.
So I don't do it and don't buy from those that do. I think that buying for 1 AD less makes ME look cheap and crooked.
I always post things at a reasonable % lower than the lowest already up if I want a quick sale. Also to guarantee a sale, as sometimes I have had items posted back after 5 days as no one wanted it, even at my wonderful, low, low bargain price.
I also check how long things have been up, as that might tell me whether the lowest posted price is still too high.
EG, if you want something with Deflect and Critical Strike, it often does not work. If you use both of those, it will show items with one or the other, not just those with both.
And if you use the word "Parrying" in the search function and use the property filter for "Critical Strike", you get everything with "Parrying" in the name, not just those with Critical Strike as well as Deflection.
A more Advanced Search function would help. Something like MS Access, being able to use AND and OR operators would help a lot.
This is something that irks me a little. If they are going to keep that limit, then they need to prioritize those 400 items better. I ran into this when I noticed I couldn't find some things I was selling.
For example: I noticed a simple search for footman with no category selected shows the leadership asset. But it doesn't show the cheapest ones. If you select a category, then it shows the cheaper ones.
I can only assume its the search putting other items with the word footman in the name into those 400 slots. But its still showing you some of the footman assest. So even if that's the case, why wouldn't the AH show you the cheaper ones? Seems like it would be natural for the AH to prioritize in a way that shows buyers the best deals. But it doesn't.
Yes, I noticed that a while back. I think it was with Blackdagger Equipment Caches. I could not find any on the AH, so I had to guess the price I should ask. So I put them up in bundles of 1, 5, 10 and 20, with a better discount for the bigger bundles. I figured that a new player without much gear or AD might want to take the chance - at least he could get some gold from selling the gear if it was no use to him, and I'd get a few extra AD as I already had 400 gold.
But when I went back the next day, I could not find them! So no wonder I could not find any in the first place - some items are invisible to the search engine. They got posted back to me in the mail. Other gear caches sold well, though.
I also learned the lesson of having a decent reserve price. Some git bought my Rank 8 Lightning enchant at the last minute for an absolute fortune less than it was worth. I did not have enough AD to set the reserve price at 85% of the buyout, and I paid the price!
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This is probably the only way to test the market. We have absolutely no data about market prices (i'll just leave this hint here) and running empirical tests at our own expense is the only way to find out how much average buyers will pay for an item.
506430
506440
506450
506460
506470
Like the only internal logic applying is that each sequential auction MUST be priced lower than the previous one, even if they are all posted by the same entity.
Not sure if maybe it comes from rounding off the suggested AH pricing, possibly, as I know this sometimes adjusts itself downwards from my asking prices when I'm posting a few lots of some kind of consumable. but I don't think the spread is big enough for that to account for it.
Neverwinter Census 2017
All posts pending disapproval by Cecilia
Did you check the times? It is possible what happens is that someone undercuts them and they post a second just below that, etc....
Eventually the lowest priced items get won and all you are left with is a succession of posted items by the same buyer with slightly different buyouts.
Sometimes I undercut myself, but not in a purposeful row like that. I mean I put stuff up in bulk for one price. If I wind up needing AD in a hurry for something I might put a lesser amount up undercutting everyone (including myself). Then need to do it again if I'm in a huge hurry and someone just undercut me. Its better than relisting the bulk sale and scrapping its posting fee.