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Leadership Progression Analysis - Best Route for AD Gain?
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So, do you think it is better to level Leadership more slowly to gain more AD along the way to Level 20, using a lot of Fight Off Spellplagued (400 AD gain; 120 LS XP gain) and Battle Undead (400 AD gain; 80 LS XP gain) or focus on getting to level 20 by using mostly War Games Training (240 LS XP gain) and Tactical Training (160 LS XP gain)?
Of course, if Protect Diamond Shipment ever comes up, I always go for that no matter what!
Which method do you think yields the most AD gain over a 3-month period of working Leadership no more than 2 times a day (5 am and 5pm)? And some days I can't even get the 5pm time slot available due to real life stuff.
Of course, if Protect Diamond Shipment ever comes up, I always go for that no matter what!
Which method do you think yields the most AD gain over a 3-month period of working Leadership no more than 2 times a day (5 am and 5pm)? And some days I can't even get the 5pm time slot available due to real life stuff.
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myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
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I have kind of used that road myself, but I still wonder if I would end up making more AD using the high-AD-gain tasks over the high-LS-XP-gain tasks over a 3-month period.
And two of the toons I have are not level 60, so they only have 4 open slots (they have no other professions at level 20 as well).
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
(I should remember to do that on my Warlock, having said that.. )
Level-up Leadership first. Level 1 through 6: Always take "Gather Astral Diamonds" whenever it appears. When I have more than three slots: I always "Hire a mercenary" to start building a pool.
Once you have a truckload of Mercenaries, start upgrading them to guards when that task appears.
Turn your guards into Footman ASAP.
Buy Worn Armor and Worn Weaponry from Professions Vendor (they're cheap and all you need). You'll want at least 12 sets of each eventually - 18 Sets to use all nine slots once they're open.
If there are additional slots after doing these, I *always" go for the straight "Professions XP" tasks (Yellow XP icon) - which are tiered as 80, 160, and 240 - to get Leadership ranked-up as fast as possible (don;t bother adding additional Mercenary/Guard/Footman assets to a task, the most time you'll save is like 5 minutes: Pffft).
The *moment* you unlock the task to get Mining Claim: do them. This is your highest of all high priorities. Stock them up the very moment you can. This should always be your first three tasks in leadership, THEN go for straight Leadership XP when you have additional slots. THEN always hire Mercenaries/upgrade to Guards/Footman - at least until you have 18 of them (two for each of nine slots eventually)
Exception: Always take the Rare task that requires 1 Mining Claim for 1,600 AD/12-Hours - those really are rare.
Even when you can start claiming 1,200 AD for 3 Mining Claims - SKIP IT, Focus on Leadership XP - get it to level 20.
At level 20:
Always do freebie 1,600 AD task (no assets except armor and weapons) first 3 slots.
Always do 1,200 AD Task for 3 Mining Claims in second three slots UNLESS the 1,600 AD/1 Mining Claim Rare task appears.
Always do the task that GIVES 1 Mining Claim, unless the rare task that gives 2 Mining claims appears.
Use ALTS for other professions (They always do "freebie" 1,600 AD Leadership task, then do other Professions).
If you really want to farm leadership - get ahold of Purple Heroes - they can cut a 12-hour task down to 6-Hours when you use two of them. So as you earn your AD, reinvest it into Armor and Weaponry (only buy the "Worn" stuff, green, blue, purple mean nothing in leadership at this time.) - Then if you can, buy heroes in AH when you can afford them.
Welcome to Professions AD Grinding.
lvl 4, Protect Caravan, 50 AD/hr
lvl 10, Battle Undead, 66.7 AD/hr
lvl 12, Collect Taxes, 100 AD/hr - need 1 district map
lvl 16, Fight Off Spellplagued, 66.7 AD/hr + green barrel
lvl 17, Deliver Metals, 150 AD/hr - need 1 mining claim
lvl 18, Resell Goods at Bazaar, 50 AD/hr + large chest - need 3 bill of sale
lvl 20, Destroy Enemy Camp, 133.3 AD/hr + large chest
I typically use the lvl 16 task until I get a district map or two from a green barrel, then I do collect taxes. Same way with lvl 18 task with mining claims, but you have to have bills of sale also.
I level whatever Armorsmithing and Weaponsmithing are up for my class, along with alchemy first to get the 3 professions unlocked along with the time and rank 3 results so I can have max slots (save for the ones that are related to leveling).
I don't do the AD ones much, but I did write a guide with some math in it:
To get from level 19 to 20 Leadership takes 38,400 XP, the breakdown below utilizes 8 profession slots and how often I run each task and which tasks.
- Tactical Training: 3 slots used, run 1 time per day = 480 XP
- Patrol the Mines: 3 slots used, run 4 times per day = 1440 XP (Note: you can run it more times, this is just an estimate of how often I run it)
- War Games Training: 3 slots used, run 2 times per day = 1440 XP (Can be run a 3rd time if I'm not bothered by RL)
- Fight Off Spellplagued: 2 slots used, run 3 times per day = 960 XP
38,400 XP minus 4320 XP per day equals roughly 8 days from level 19 to 20, more or less.
So yeah, and considering I'm about to get my 8th character with level 20 leadership soon (been a little slow lately) I'm happy.
At level 20 leadership you'll open up Destroy Enemy Camp which is 1600 rough AD, Large Chest of Goods and 20 silver, but runs for 12 hours. Since you can only run each leadership task (with the exception of hiring people, save for Footmen) 3 times, you'll be able to gain 4800 rough AD per time (or 9600 per day). If you hoarded a bunch of Mining Claims, you can do Deliver Metals for the price of 3 Mining Claims and gain 1200 AD and 20 silver every 8 hours, and if you're diligent, 3x a day for that would net you 10,800 rough AD per day. Between those two, plus 3x a day invoking for 2k rough AD (for a 60) you would have 22,400 rough AD refined per day. Of course, I almost forgot about Collect Taxes which gives you a small chest of goods, 15 silver and 800 rough AD for 8 hours for the price of just one District Map. With those professions run, you'd be able to hit your refining cap, at least until you run out of maps and mining claims. Of course, you do have a chance of mining claims from the large chest of goods and district maps from the barrel of goods, so there's that. For lesser gains, however, if you do dailies to make up for some of your rough ADs, Fight off Spellplagued and Battle Undead both run for 6 hours and net you 400 RAD each without costing any resources. If you have the AD, or the keys, I would suggest, if you want to earn AD solely from Leadership, that you buy some better workers (blue or purple). I mentioned keys because the Rusted Iron Lockbox drops Leadership Packs and so does the Nightmare Lockboxes. In the long run, the better assets would more than pay for themselves and, since they're not bound, can be sent to alts or friends as you'd like.
Basically, my setup is this:
3x Destroy Enemy Camp 2x a day = 9600 RAD
3x Fight Off Spellplagued 3x a day = 3600 RAD
3x Battle Undead 3x a day = 3600 RAD
Total of 16,800 RAD a day, and throw in 2k RAD from Invoking 3x a day and it's 18,800
I also do Protect Diamond Shipment if it comes up since 1600 RAD at the cost of 1 Mining Claim is a deal to me. Occasionally I might run Collect Taxes if I get tons of District Maps from the boxes and barrels.
With assets, I generally go with (for 9 slots) 3 Heros (Epic), 6-9 Adventurers(Blue), and 6-9 Man-at-Arms (Green).
With that setup my earnings go to:
3x Destroy Enemy Camp 3x a day = 14400 RAD (1 Hero & 1 Adventurer equates to less than 7 hours)
3x Fight Off Spellplagued 4x a day = 4800 RAD
3x Battle Undead 4x a day = 4800 RAD
Total of 24,000 RAD a day, and throw in 2k RAD from Invoking 3x a day and it's 26,000
I have many alts, I am a class and race rainbow.
3x destroy enemey camp
3x fight of spell plagued
2x rotating
The 2 rotating are made up of the 3 depending on the resources i have
Resell Goods at Bazaar
Deliver Metals
Collect Taxes
I run this setup as it gives good AD rate as well as lots of barrels and chests to restock the resources.
gives me an average of:
3x destroy enemey camp = 1600X3X2 = 9600
3x fight of spell plagued = 400X3X3 = 3600
2x rotating = 800 X2X2 = 3200
average total of 15400 per day if I am available to switch at the 6/8 hour marks. Which is usually doable. set before work, set at work, set before going to bed.
As for the OP, you should get to 20 as fast as possible. Destroy enemy camp is just too good. Patrol and War games give you the most leadership xp per hour with no inputs. Chart region is actually the best per hour, but requires 3 local maps.
^^ This. The fastest way it to get as many local maps as possible and run continuously 3 x Chart Region task with 3 x Patrol the mines + 1-3 others, depending on how many slots you have (buy/borrow some assets to unlock the 100% speed and tier 3 result slots).
Assumptions:
* only using "common" tasks because the "rare" tasks are too variable
* 5 slots available (lvl 60 character with no other level 20 professions)
* start at Leadership Level 16 = 115,200 LXP until Level 20
* work Leadership two times each day
* results for a 180-day time period
* Max LXP = only use War Games Training (240 LXP; 0 AD) and Tactical Training (160 LXP; 0 AD)
* Max AD = only use Fight Off Spellplagued (120 LXP; 400 AD) and Battle Undead (80 LXP; 400 AD)
* Once Level 20 is reached, 3 slots will use Destroy Enemy Camp (1600 AD; LXP not relevant now)
Again, this is only a simple analysis . . .
Max LXP to Level 20 Option:
3 slots War Games Training and 2 slots Tactical Training twice per day = 2080 LXP per day
Level 20 in 55.5 days with ZERO AD gained during that time
After level 20 - Destroy Enemy Camp (3 slots) and Fight Off Spellplagued (3 slots) = 12,000 AD per day
124.5 days remaining after reaching level 20 = 1,494,000 AD in 180 days
Max AD to Level 20 option:
3 slots Fight Off Spellplagued and 2 slots Battle Undead twice per day = 1040 LXP and 4000 AD per day
Level 20 reached after 111 days PLUS 444,000 AD earned
69 days remaining after reaching level 20 = 828,000 AD + 444,000 AD = 1,272,000 AD in 180 days
Hybrid Option 1:
3 slots Fight Off Spellplagued and 2 slots War Games Training twice per day = 1680 LXP and 2400 AD per day
Level 20 reached after 69 days PLUS 165,600 AD earned
111 days remaining after reaching level 20 = 1,332,000 AD + 165,600 AD = 1,497,600 AD earned in 180 days
Hybrid Option 2:
3 slots War Games Training and 2 slots Fight Off Spellplagued twice per day = 1920 LXP and 1600 AD earned per day
Level 20 reached after 60 days PLUS 96,000 AD earned
120 days remaining after reaching level 20 = 1,440,000 AD + 96,000 AD = 1,536,000 AD earned in 180 days
Looks like the differences are not huge between 3 of the different options for AD gains after 6 months. . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Fully agree with this. My 1st toon to level 20 leadership took forever because I was doing every task that offered AD and making my own leadership assets. Leadership takes a long time to get to 20th level no matter what but it's faster if you take the tasks that will give you the most Leadership experience (LS XP) per hour AND that fits your schedule.
Also, I would not recommend making your own white LS guys (mercs, guards, etc.) other than the 1st one you're given. Why? It takes 18 hours to make one which ties up that slot when you could be gaining LS XP. To make the level 2 white asset (guard), it's 4 level 1 guys at 18 hours each, plus 18 hours to combine them into a guard. Repeat this again to turn 4 level 2 assets into a level 3 asset and you can see how this will severely slow your progress to level 20 LS. Do anything (Rhix quests, Neverember quests, dungeons, etc.) to make money and purchase some rank 3 assets from the AH. LS is a long grind but it's a good financial investment.
Those assets to unlock an additional slot to get the 100% speed increase are expensive . . . would take quite a bit of time to make-up the AD that were spent on the assets . .
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
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Guard Duty - > Martial Training
to 7
Protect Caravan -> Martial Training
to 9
Protect Caravan -> Tactical Training
to 10
Chart Region -> Protect Caravan -> Tactical Training
to 13
Chart Region -> Battle Undead -> Tactical Training
to 16
Chart Region -> Protect Diamond Shipment -> Patrol the Mines -> War Games Training -> Battle Undead
to 20
Chart Region -> Protect Diamond Shipment -> Patrol the Mines -> Fight Off Spellplagued -> War Games Training
at 20
Destroy Enemy Camp -> Protect Diamond Shipment -> Seek Out Maps -> Collect Taxes -> Marks of Gratitude consuming tasks -> Fight Off Spellplagued
You may be wondering, why is Chart Region so important? Or thinking, Seek Out Maps and Collect Taxes at rank 20, buh? I run Chart Region because it's the fastest LXP (Leadership XP) task there is at 40 LXP/hour, it also rewards a district map. As does Seek Out Maps, and district maps are consumed by Collect Taxes which is the common task with the third highest AD/time rate (at 100 AD/hr, Destroy Enemy Camp is 133/hr, and Deliver Metals is 150/hr).
But Chart Region also uses a lot of materials (local maps) and is tedious to queue up every 1-2 hours. So again, those were general guidelines.
Okay, Panic.
I can't find these tasks? Can anyone tell us the name of these tasks, rare or common, that give automatic 100%success and automatic 100%speed?
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One unlocks at 100% speed increase...which is all kinds of mislead and mathematically confusing/incorrect. What it requires you to do is use to purple person profession assets on a single project to complete it in half the time it would normally take.
The other is to get a rank three result on profession task. This one is also somewhat weird and can't be unlocked through doing leadership. You have to run (and level up) one of the other professions and use one of the rare tasks or - if it's Weaponsmithing/Artificing you can use one of the stock [Weapon] of Aryuvandil tasks - when you select to do that task it gives you a selection of possible outcomes - T1 is a +6 epic weapon without any enchantment slots IIRC. T2 is that same weapon with a single enchantment slot. T3 is the [Weapon] of Aryuvandil with an enchantment slot and a weapon enhancement slot. You have to get that T3 result to unlock this slot and, so far as I'm aware that requires at least one blue profession tool and three green tools to even have a chance at doing so. IIRC if you have 4 purple tools you have a 50/50 chance of getting a T2 or T3 result.
So what others are saying about the level 3 Alchemy tasks is wrong.
You HAVE to possess several PURPLE assets in order to unlock those two slots.
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The speed increase slot definitely does not require any purple assets. I don't have any purple crafting people, and have unlocked that slot on all my toons with 4 blue Master Alchemists (25% speed increase each).
Yeah, so a few purple, or at least 4 blue. In other words, you either have to open lockboxes or buy the blue/purple assets of the AH for a hefty price.
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I watched the AH like a hawk and picked up the odd cheap green workers and when I had enough, upgraded them to blue... ditto my purple mortar/stone/crucible are all upgraded from greens and blues, bought cheap. I haven't looked at the prices recently, though, so I don't know if that is still the most economical approach.
Blues start at 25k AD a piece. How long would it take to recoup the money spent opening up that extra slot, by using that extra slot for leadership tasks? Is it worth it?
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Actually if you're diligent with it you can recoup your AD pretty quickly if you manage to get some Purple Leadership assets. Which is where I got the 2x Purple number from - I used Leadership to unlock it and kind of forgot you can stack up to three more persons on many other profession tasks.
I have six purple Leadership assets on my main and over the last week I've started to run higher and higher and surpluses of AD that I can't refine each day as I've actually started to pay attention and select tasks with high AD-per-time-unit payouts.
That said getting the AD to get those guys does take quite a while as I think they were going for something like 300-400k AD a piece when I picked them up.
Sorry, I play since open beta and the epic alchemy assets where around 15k AD, when I bought them. I did not check prices lately, so I did not know, that they increased significantly.
You could just ask friends to lent them to you for a few days. My alchemists only see the light of day, when I unlock slots for a new toon.
So Deliver Metals requires 3 mining claims to start which means running Patrol the Mines 3 times first (more efficient then the Rare 12 task called Raid Enemy Mines that rewards 2 mining claims). So now you have invested 12 hours into gaining 3 mining claims and so you can start Deliver Metals which will now take 8 hours and reward you with 1,200 AD.
You have now spent 12+8= 20 hours to gain 1,200 AD which is 1,200AD/20hrs = 60AD/hr
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In comparison, Fight Off Spellplagued and Battle Undead both give you 400 AD in return for 6 hours of spent time which is 400AD/6hr = 66.67AD/hr.
If you wish to compare Deliver Metals to Spellplagued and Undead you can look at it like this. Deliver Metals takes a total of 4 tasks, 20hrs and gives you 1,200AD. Spellplagued and Undead can give you 1,200AD in 18 hours and only 3 tasks leaving you free to not need to be near your computer/logged into gateway as often.
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I like using Collect Taxes when I can. Using the lv 10 rare task Seek Out Maps you gain 2 District maps (which are then used in Taxes) in 6 hours. then Taxes uses 1 District map and takes 8 hours and rewards you with 800AD. So we use 3 hours from the Seek Out Maps (because we get 2 maps but only need 1) and the 8 hours from Taxes and get a total of 11hrs used for 800AD reward. 800AD/11hrs = 72.72AD/hr.
So this works out to 1,600AD per 22 hours. Granted, because Seek Out Maps is a rare task it is not always available so when I see it I take over taking Spellplagued/Undead.
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For reasons of efficiency you should not really do anything but these tasks (and of course Destroy Enemy Camp and Protect Diamond Shipment when it appears (cancel a Spellplagued/Undead so you can take advantage of the Diamond Shipment). Of course you will need to do Patrol the Mines once in a while so that you can keep up a supply of mining claims to use with Protect Diamond Shipment so just weave those in among your other tasks, perhaps save starting Collect Taxes for before you go to bed and do a Patrol the Mines in the hours previous.
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More problems arise though when your main character(s) have multiple hundreds of thousands of Raw AD that you can't possibly refine in the near future. To my mind there is no point in doing leadership for it anymore as it is locked away behind a lengthy time gate. So what I do is do the leadership tasks that can help my other alts like Seek Out Maps and Patrol the Mines and then send those resources to my alts so that they don't need to waste time doing those tasks themselves.
What you can also do is start collecting Refugees and using them in the lv 15 rare task Build Shelters. The Mark of Gratitude that you gain with this task can be sold for about 2,000-2,500 AD right now (do NOT use it in the other level 20 rare tasks where it is a component as it is very inefficient (3 marks = 45 refugees = 90 hours @ 6 hours per 3 refugees and then the extra resources on top of that). But people buy them so you can make money off that
Right, don't forget to open the brown/green/blue/purple chests that you gain from doing leadership. The brown (from Taxes) and the green (from Spellplagued) seem crappy but over time the RP they gives can really add up and the potions/common profession resources can be saved and sold for a few extra AD once you get a stack.
TL,DR? Deliver Metals sucks because Math - better options exist
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