Unless you are one of the players who has billions of duplicated AD
Moot point and academic at best.
Even if you are a player with billions of AD (obvious exaggeration here) - it's still a sink and that AD will be removed from the economy. You are just not thinking this through, but that's okay. The overall point is this: It doesn't matter if you are a legitimate player, exploiter, gold farmer or bot: whomever wins the bid on these will 1) be stuck with it and 2) throw all that AD into a black hole (which is good for the economy as a whole).
Any argument otherwise is an exercise in futility.
Even if you are a player with billions of AD (obvious exaggeration here) - it's still a sink and that AD will be removed from the economy. You are just not thinking this through, but that's okay. The overall point is this: It doesn't matter if you are a legitimate player, exploiter, gold farmer or bot: whomever wins the bid on these will 1) be stuck with it and 2) throw all that AD into a black hole (which is good for the economy as a whole).
Any argument otherwise is an exercise in futility.
Given these are BoE how will the lucky winners be stuck with the item?
They can always trade it for several other extremely high value items and make a profit that way or (even if it is against the ToS) just sell it for real money to goldsellers or other players?
AD will be removed from the system which is good, but the lucky winners will most likely end up making a very nice return in AD or real cash on this.
Even if you are a player with billions of AD (obvious exaggeration here) - it's still a sink and that AD will be removed from the economy. You are just not thinking this through, but that's okay. The overall point is this: It doesn't matter if you are a legitimate player, exploiter, gold farmer or bot: whomever wins the bid on these will 1) be stuck with it and 2) throw all that AD into a black hole (which is good for the economy as a whole).
Any argument otherwise is an exercise in futility.
These are peanuts. Not really high enough to be a noticeable impact on AD amount in general.
Especially with the 5 auction only. More are more effective as just a handful.
0
ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
AD will be removed from the system which is good, but the lucky winners will most likely end up making a very nice return in AD or real cash on this.
Here's the most likely scenario. Five people drop crazy amounts of AD to "win' Sgt. Knox. After they win, they try to flip him for even more AD, only to find out no one really cares THAT much about something that's purely a curiosity.
Ultimately, Sgt. Knox gets resold at a much, much lower price and the original buyer laments his misfortune.
You have to understand, at the end of the day, a Sgt. Knox companion is really just a big bag of "who really cares, not me" to almost everyone.
Here's the most likely scenario. Five people drop crazy amounts of AD to "win' Sgt. Knox. After they win, they try to flip him for even more AD, only to find out no one really cares THAT much about something that's purely a curiosity.
Ultimately, Sgt. Knox gets resold at a much, much lower price and the original buyer laments his misfortune.
You have to understand, at the end of the day, a Sgt. Knox companion is really just a big bag of "who really cares, not me" to almost everyone.
I have to disagree.
People paid over 25 million AD for the first Angels just for the 'Wow look at me factor' even knowing that in a few days to a couple of a weeks at most they would become much more common. So never underestimate the desire for certain players to want to show off. And Knox will be far, far more exclusive than Angels.....
Here's the most likely scenario. Five people drop crazy amounts of AD to "win' Sgt. Knox. After they win, they try to flip him for even more AD, only to find out no one really cares THAT much about something that's purely a curiosity.
Ultimately, Sgt. Knox gets resold at a much, much lower price and the original buyer laments his misfortune.
You have to understand, at the end of the day, a Sgt. Knox companion is really just a big bag of "who really cares, not me" to almost everyone.
Not sure about that. There are a lot of people with tons of diamonds (we shall not discuss how they got them lest the thread be locked).
I saw the auction house pattern yesterday with regards to certain items and I saw exploiters buyout all of one item and put them up again at 1000% inflated price. Weird things happen when you have entities with billions of diamonds.
Even if you are a player with billions of AD (obvious exaggeration here) - it's still a sink and that AD will be removed from the economy. You are just not thinking this through, but that's okay. The overall point is this: It doesn't matter if you are a legitimate player, exploiter, gold farmer or bot: whomever wins the bid on these will 1) be stuck with it and 2) throw all that AD into a black hole (which is good for the economy as a whole).
Any argument otherwise is an exercise in futility.
How much exactly do you think these Sgt Knox companions will go for? I think your point is moot (ironically) unless it will go for billions of diamonds and the player gets stuck with it.
Silly Event. He isnt an amazing companion and you cant use his abilities in domination. The people in this game that have tons of AD are mostly PVP players. This will have little value.
If the lord's polar bear only sells for 7m and people paid 200 bones for it than this might go to 20-30m but thats a big maybe. Not to mention it has little resale value. This will do nothing to fix the economy but will <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and alienate those players who have more meager budgets and would of wanted it for show or pve.
I could be wrong, we will see.
0
adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited August 2014
I could easily see someone just bidding 100.000.000 right away, just be sure to get one of those.
Having said this, they really should be made BoP, or at the very least BoA - absolutely not under any circumstances BoE.
Given these are BoE how will the lucky winners be stuck with the item?
If you pay 50 Million AD and win one, how will you sell it? The AH? I don't think so - because you'd have to sell it for 60-Million to make a profit and anyone with that kind of AD who wants one would have ensured they won the auction. Hence: winner is "stuck" with it. Of course weirder things have happened and there are a lot of low-information gullible people around. -shrugs-
CONTEXT and COMPREHENSION are your friends. Meet them, greet them, and get to know them.
These are peanuts. Not really high enough to be a noticeable impact on AD amount in general.
Especially with the 5 auction only. More are more effective as just a handful.
This is true. But would you rather have the minuscule 500 Million AD (presumption, I know) removed from the over-abundant economy or none at all?
How much exactly do you think these Sgt Knox companions will go for? I think your point is moot (ironically) unless it will go for billions of diamonds and the player gets stuck with it.
I don't forsee those happening.
It doesn't matter how much they go for. The point is whoever wins the auction will be the ones wanting it the most. They can try to flip them, but any potential takers already have theirs. This is the point and hardly a moot one.
It doesn't matter how much they go for. The point is whoever wins the auction will be the ones wanting it the most. They can try to flip them, but any potential takers already have theirs. This is the point and hardly a moot one.
I am pretty sure that more than 5 people will want this, and to a lot of people nowadays 100 million AD is chump change.
For a laugh, just check how several PvP guilds have managed to be all have fully upgraded Mod 4 gear (easily 30+ million AD) without batting an eyelid...
0
truelokasterMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1Arc User
edited August 2014
Responding the "Who cares", I do... I've been collecting companions since open beta and it is a shame that an AD millionaire (a.k.a. exploiter) will have it and I won't have the faintest change to get it.
If you pay 50 Million AD and win one, how will you sell it? The AH? I don't think so - because you'd have to sell it for 60-Million to make a profit and anyone with that kind of AD who wants one would have ensured they won the auction. Hence: winner is "stuck" with it. Of course weirder things have happened and there are a lot of low-information gullible people around. -shrugs-
CONTEXT and COMPREHENSION are your friends. Meet them, greet them, and get to know them.
Yes they are.
Which is why just in case there was anyone following the thread who was missing these attributes I specifically said:
Also the real worry is that if it is BoE, 'lucky' people or gold-sellers will buy them and then trade / sell for real money it for far more in terms of other items or real cash.
To make it even more clear - if these sell for less than 90 million, they can be later resold on the AH for a profit. As pretty much as everyone knows, limited time event items tend to increase in price as time goes on as people who have missed them for whatever reason are prepared to pay a premium later on. And items do not get any more limited than this.
And even if they sell for 90-100 million AD any winners can still trade these companions character-to-character for several high value items collectively worth more than 100 million...
As pretty much as everyone knows, limited time event items tend to increase in price as time goes on as people who have missed them for whatever reason are prepared to pay a premium later on.
I do concur with this. In order to flip one the owner will have to sit on it for a month or two or three, etc. Certainly more than 5 people will want one. My point is simply: if you lose the bid and one is being flipped for even more AD, and you HAVE that AD to buy the flip, how did you lose the auction to begin with? (Sure, there is the possibility you are out-sniped, but that's a real risk the sniper is taking.)
Now if a winner sits on it for a month or two, other people may, by then, earned, farmed, bought enough AD to then afford it when it is flipped. But that's the only logical scenario that can play out. However, reading all these forums I think we all know that there are a lot of illogical people around here. Hahahaha!
jennyavarielMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 167
edited August 2014
If the 'winner' ( let's just call them exploiters, and be done with it ) of these things want to sell, they won't bother selling for AD. If they *have* 100M to buy one already, why would they *need* more AD?
If someone isn't buying it for personal use, they're buying it for use later as a trade item.
WTT [ super rare Sgt Knox !!! ] for your [ insert some other super rare thing here ]
I think they'll end up getting banked. There were a bunch of Lords Armored Bears up on the market. I don't see many of them riding around PE though. It'll be the same deal here. Knox exists, but he's sitting in a box somewhere, since he's really just 'too good to use'.
Poor Knox, it's sad to see him fallen so far. We could all ignore the fact that he didn't even get to stand in the main hall, but instead had a lonely awning off to the side. We didn't even complain when he was forced to stand on an old wooden crate. But to know, that he is so broke that he needs to play gimp to some rich adventurer, with Rhix as his pimp. And you know that shifty Kobold is going to be keeping most of the money. Well, it's just to sad for words.
Knox you used to be so cool, where did it all go wrong? Or is it a case of the man, just trying to keep a poor half-Orc down?
If you pay 50 Million AD and win one, how will you sell it? The AH? I don't think so - because you'd have to sell it for 60-Million to make a profit and anyone with that kind of AD who wants one would have ensured they won the auction. Hence: winner is "stuck" with it.
As doubtlessly numerous others have pointed out by now, they'll be sold for real money. And almost certainly by gold sellers.
What a farce.
@Venture-1@Venture from City of Heroes if you remember that far back. Yes, *that* Venture. Yes, I probably trashed your MA arc. For me it was Tuesday.
Responding the "Who cares", I do... I've been collecting companions since open beta and it is a shame that an AD millionaire (a.k.a. exploiter) will have it and I won't have the faintest change to get it.
HAHA. You think the people who abused the ad glitch are mere millionaires?
It doesn't matter how much they go for. The point is whoever wins the auction will be the ones wanting it the most. They can try to flip them, but any potential takers already have theirs. This is the point and hardly a moot one.
My point is, only exploiters will mostly likely benefit from this.
Comments
That hot piece o' @ss doesnt have the orc fang visible either..
You would think a lot of things that are obvious in terms of exploiting. Yet so many are still active.
Besides, one account can only hold 100M and whatever they have in the ZAX exchange. So we're talking about an army of ALTs.
I thought it was a cap of 100 million AD per character in an account?
Of course for legitimate players, I very much doubt it would matter either way of course.....
People wont really be buying it with zen..
And AD could be made out of thin air.. So, it's just an AD sink most probably
Moot point and academic at best.
Even if you are a player with billions of AD (obvious exaggeration here) - it's still a sink and that AD will be removed from the economy. You are just not thinking this through, but that's okay. The overall point is this: It doesn't matter if you are a legitimate player, exploiter, gold farmer or bot: whomever wins the bid on these will 1) be stuck with it and 2) throw all that AD into a black hole (which is good for the economy as a whole).
Any argument otherwise is an exercise in futility.
Given these are BoE how will the lucky winners be stuck with the item?
They can always trade it for several other extremely high value items and make a profit that way or (even if it is against the ToS) just sell it for real money to goldsellers or other players?
AD will be removed from the system which is good, but the lucky winners will most likely end up making a very nice return in AD or real cash on this.
These are peanuts. Not really high enough to be a noticeable impact on AD amount in general.
Especially with the 5 auction only. More are more effective as just a handful.
Here's the most likely scenario. Five people drop crazy amounts of AD to "win' Sgt. Knox. After they win, they try to flip him for even more AD, only to find out no one really cares THAT much about something that's purely a curiosity.
Ultimately, Sgt. Knox gets resold at a much, much lower price and the original buyer laments his misfortune.
You have to understand, at the end of the day, a Sgt. Knox companion is really just a big bag of "who really cares, not me" to almost everyone.
I have to disagree.
People paid over 25 million AD for the first Angels just for the 'Wow look at me factor' even knowing that in a few days to a couple of a weeks at most they would become much more common. So never underestimate the desire for certain players to want to show off. And Knox will be far, far more exclusive than Angels.....
Not sure about that. There are a lot of people with tons of diamonds (we shall not discuss how they got them lest the thread be locked).
I saw the auction house pattern yesterday with regards to certain items and I saw exploiters buyout all of one item and put them up again at 1000% inflated price. Weird things happen when you have entities with billions of diamonds.
How much exactly do you think these Sgt Knox companions will go for? I think your point is moot (ironically) unless it will go for billions of diamonds and the player gets stuck with it.
I don't forsee those happening.
If the lord's polar bear only sells for 7m and people paid 200 bones for it than this might go to 20-30m but thats a big maybe. Not to mention it has little resale value. This will do nothing to fix the economy but will <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and alienate those players who have more meager budgets and would of wanted it for show or pve.
I could be wrong, we will see.
Having said this, they really should be made BoP, or at the very least BoA - absolutely not under any circumstances BoE.
If you pay 50 Million AD and win one, how will you sell it? The AH? I don't think so - because you'd have to sell it for 60-Million to make a profit and anyone with that kind of AD who wants one would have ensured they won the auction. Hence: winner is "stuck" with it. Of course weirder things have happened and there are a lot of low-information gullible people around. -shrugs-
CONTEXT and COMPREHENSION are your friends. Meet them, greet them, and get to know them.
This is true. But would you rather have the minuscule 500 Million AD (presumption, I know) removed from the over-abundant economy or none at all?
You can decide that one for yourself, of course.
It doesn't matter how much they go for. The point is whoever wins the auction will be the ones wanting it the most. They can try to flip them, but any potential takers already have theirs. This is the point and hardly a moot one.
I am pretty sure that more than 5 people will want this, and to a lot of people nowadays 100 million AD is chump change.
For a laugh, just check how several PvP guilds have managed to be all have fully upgraded Mod 4 gear (easily 30+ million AD) without batting an eyelid...
Yes they are.
Which is why just in case there was anyone following the thread who was missing these attributes I specifically said:
To make it even more clear - if these sell for less than 90 million, they can be later resold on the AH for a profit. As pretty much as everyone knows, limited time event items tend to increase in price as time goes on as people who have missed them for whatever reason are prepared to pay a premium later on. And items do not get any more limited than this.
And even if they sell for 90-100 million AD any winners can still trade these companions character-to-character for several high value items collectively worth more than 100 million...
I do concur with this. In order to flip one the owner will have to sit on it for a month or two or three, etc. Certainly more than 5 people will want one. My point is simply: if you lose the bid and one is being flipped for even more AD, and you HAVE that AD to buy the flip, how did you lose the auction to begin with? (Sure, there is the possibility you are out-sniped, but that's a real risk the sniper is taking.)
Now if a winner sits on it for a month or two, other people may, by then, earned, farmed, bought enough AD to then afford it when it is flipped. But that's the only logical scenario that can play out. However, reading all these forums I think we all know that there are a lot of illogical people around here. Hahahaha!
If someone isn't buying it for personal use, they're buying it for use later as a trade item.
WTT [ super rare Sgt Knox !!! ] for your [ insert some other super rare thing here ]
I think they'll end up getting banked. There were a bunch of Lords Armored Bears up on the market. I don't see many of them riding around PE though. It'll be the same deal here. Knox exists, but he's sitting in a box somewhere, since he's really just 'too good to use'.
It's pretty inconsistent..
in here :
http://neverwinter.wikia.com/wiki/Sergeant_Knox
he's listed as human
Knox you used to be so cool, where did it all go wrong? Or is it a case of the man, just trying to keep a poor half-Orc down?
'nuff said.
As doubtlessly numerous others have pointed out by now, they'll be sold for real money. And almost certainly by gold sellers.
What a farce.
HAHA. You think the people who abused the ad glitch are mere millionaires?
My point is, only exploiters will mostly likely benefit from this.
Lawl.