ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited August 2014
Ugh...they went back to showing the ugly cloth wrapped underwear. Any chance of an art update for these? I agree we needed to add a top to the women, but the sleeker bottom was nicer, and fix better under a lot of outfits.
But the ugly burlap wrapped underwear is terrible, and it's undyable. It pretty much ruins the point of the Emperor Pants and Shirts.
Any chance for at least an art update on the undergarments when using these items?
Ugh...they went back to showing the ugly cloth wrapped underwear. Any chance of an art update for these? I agree we needed to add a top to the women, but the sleeker bottom was nicer, and fix better under a lot of outfits.
But the ugly burlap wrapped underwear is terrible, and it's undyable. It pretty much ruins the point of the Emperor Pants and Shirts.
Any chance for at least an art update on the undergarments when using these items?
Agreed I'm not much of a fan of it and wish we could at least dye it.
Ugh...they went back to showing the ugly cloth wrapped underwear. Any chance of an art update for these? I agree we needed to add a top to the women, but the sleeker bottom was nicer, and fix better under a lot of outfits.
But the ugly burlap wrapped underwear is terrible, and it's undyable. It pretty much ruins the point of the Emperor Pants and Shirts.
Any chance for at least an art update on the undergarments when using these items?
I just came on to comment about this as well. The T1 pvp armor my SW has on has a heart shaped opening in the front (not unacceptably revealing either) and now it looks like she has a dirty ace bandage on. I agree that it ruins the point of the emperor shirts to have a bra that looks like a sport bra (ragged and dirty, at that). I get that you don't want to leave the full nudity option, but go for a skimpy bra that still leaves room for creativity in appearance. Thanks
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited August 2014
Or a way to included the underwear if the chest slot is empty.
I get that you're going to have 12 year olds running around PE going "hurr hurr hurr" in their undies, but that's fine. It makes it easy to me to continue expanding the /ignore list.
But if this change goes live, I'm not going to waste the 300k+ AD to make the set. When it's purely a cosmetic change that's, quite frankly, hideous, I'm not going to pay for it. I'll just keep dying my pants and shirt to better coordinate.
Or a way to included the underwear if the chest slot is empty.
I get that you're going to have 12 year olds running around PE going "hurr hurr hurr" in their undies, but that's fine. It makes it easy to me to continue expanding the /ignore list.
But if this change goes live, I'm not going to waste the 300k+ AD to make the set. When it's purely a cosmetic change that's, quite frankly, hideous, I'm not going to pay for it. I'll just keep dying my pants and shirt to better coordinate.
Yeah, both of these options would be acceptable to me. I don't like the underwear showing under my outfits... and it's especially terrible if they're baby poo brown colored. I liked the old underwear (it does peek out from under some of the armor pieces currently in game) and would prefer either a small bikini/bra top or invisible unless shirtless type deal as well. At the very very least, dyable would be a decent compromise. Ugly brown dirty burlap just looks out of place with the beautiful armor we're given.
ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited August 2014
Yes, the two pictures...one was of the original Emperor's Shirt/Pants on test. The other is a version of the outfit on live (with pants and shirts showing). Here's the current version of the Emperor's Shirt/Pants. Notice that you have the ugly burlap undergarments back, versus the sleeker look in the first picture.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited August 2014
The little panties are what USE to be the Emperor's Pants on female toons, and you could dye them to whatever color you wanted. Now they're the old, undyable burlap wraps...
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reagenlionel1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2014
I am unpleased with the change to the emperor clothing. And thus. I no longer care for them. The old way was better and was more useful asthetically.
basically served as invisible clothing to wear under armor so you didnt have to unequip your shirt and pants to have the ideal style you want.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited August 2014
Same. I'm not going to spend 150k+ AD each on them...I'd rather just dye my pants and shirt to match.
If what's shown in the pic above is Pants/Shirt and not underwear (I'm wondering if you guys are confusing the terms), what's the problem? They're still 100 times better than any shirt or pants out there now as far as scantiness goes....
The bandage wrap underwear is yuck and you cant even dye it. And the bandage wrap bra makes no difference than just taking off the shirts to begin with. They're bad for many types of armor that expose those areas. An example of this is wearing Blighted Cloth Armor and the Epic versions.
They were right on the money with the original incarnation of the emperor shirt and pants.
Edit: correction. Burlap wraps.
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
edited August 2014
Really!
What you had was just great....I made a set for my DC, who is using armor transformed to the Dark Armor of Lolth, and the result was....quite nice.
Now, I imagine that someone may have perceived that there might be a problem with topless female characters running around, because without the armor the effect used to be like this:
But really...the recent change completely destroys my interest in the transformation - the "solution" to make the shirt show the ugly "burlap bra" totally destroys the effect - I see no point in bothering with the Emperor transformation in that case.
Now, if you cannot stomach the risk of teenagers running around as topless Barbie-like, nípple-less females, the best solution would be the following:
Make the transformed shirt show the "burlap-bra" only if no armor is worn, but make it completely invisible beneath armor.
With armor, the effect should really be like as if you are wearing no shirt.
Hoping for improvements...
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited August 2014
Give it matching pasties to go with the tanga-style panties. Not topless, just... top-is-less.
TI don't know of ANYONE who actually -wants- their shirt showing under their armor. At all. Some may want the pants, but that's rare, and even then only if their chosen armor doesn't come with any kind of covering below the waist (a very small segment of the available armors).
This totally depends on the armor you use. Most of mine at the moment would actually look really weird and horrible with no shirt or pants, or would have very small amount of bare skin oddly showing through small gaps because their armor covers most of them anyway. I have frequently transmuted and dyed everything so that the shirt/pants are a fully incorporated part of the look, and making them invisible by default would absolutely destroy my creations.
I think there should be a functional option, but I no more want to *not* see my shirt on most of my characters than you and your friends want to see yours. It should be a choice.
Further edit: Do I even need to mention that there were plenty of bravos and thank yous posted when the cloth and leather tunics were released which allowed female CWs and TRs to cover up their bare bellies if they wished? Apparently I do.
They should have made the visible/not visible thing a upgrade like the glove upgrade for armor sets , you upgrade your pants and shirt then when you are wearing a full gear set the option to make it visible / not visible becomes available in the pant/shirt tooltip and as soon as you remove a piece of gear it defaults back to visible to save anybody who is easily offended.That way you get the choice to either have it fully invisible or fully visible or a mix of both .
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
I think there should be a functional option, but I no more want to *not* see my shirt on most of my characters than you and your friends want to see yours. It should be a choice.
I agree here. The original Emperor's models gave us this choice. And you could pick to be skimpy up top, bottom or both. Or stay more covered without transmuting.
That's pretty much lost now.
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reagenlionel1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I agree here. The original Emperor's models gave us this choice. And you could pick to be skimpy up top, bottom or both. Or stay more covered without transmuting.
That's what the fuss from the top was about? All it looks like is a barbie doll; its not that big of a deal.
There are two "issues" here.
Issue #1: Originally, if an emperor shirt is worn by a female character, without armor, the character would seem topless, as in the second picture above. This bothers some people, so the emperor shirt was changed to show the "burlap bra" instead.
Fine, except that this caused...
Issue #2: Many people would have used the emperor shirt with non-covering armor - it is kind-of pointless with plate mail, but worked beautifully with certain armor pieces like the Dark Armor of Lolth (see my first picture above), the Hellfire armor (see photo earlier in this thread) and other similar armor pieces. However, now the "burlap bra" is visible, which kind-of spoils the effect many people were trying to create. This is obviously not an issue for male characters, but it is really, really annoying for the female ones.
The best solution to both issues would be what I proposed earlier, although I don't know if it is technically possible...
Have the "burlap bra" show on female characters if no armor is worn, but disable it underneath armor.
Basically, what we had at first was nice, although a bit expensive...what we have now is simply not worth creating.
I can understand why they made the bra come back, although it's fugly as hell, but not why they changed the underwear showing with the emperor's bottoms back to the hideous undyable default. There wasn't anything wrong with those bottoms...
And uh, yeah, I'd definitely not want my pants/shirt visuals disabled by default. My TR's armor transmutes show a lot of his underclothes, especially his pants. Like, almost all of his pants:
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But the ugly burlap wrapped underwear is terrible, and it's undyable. It pretty much ruins the point of the Emperor Pants and Shirts.
Any chance for at least an art update on the undergarments when using these items?
Agreed I'm not much of a fan of it and wish we could at least dye it.
I just came on to comment about this as well. The T1 pvp armor my SW has on has a heart shaped opening in the front (not unacceptably revealing either) and now it looks like she has a dirty ace bandage on. I agree that it ruins the point of the emperor shirts to have a bra that looks like a sport bra (ragged and dirty, at that). I get that you don't want to leave the full nudity option, but go for a skimpy bra that still leaves room for creativity in appearance. Thanks
I get that you're going to have 12 year olds running around PE going "hurr hurr hurr" in their undies, but that's fine. It makes it easy to me to continue expanding the /ignore list.
But if this change goes live, I'm not going to waste the 300k+ AD to make the set. When it's purely a cosmetic change that's, quite frankly, hideous, I'm not going to pay for it. I'll just keep dying my pants and shirt to better coordinate.
Yeah, both of these options would be acceptable to me. I don't like the underwear showing under my outfits... and it's especially terrible if they're baby poo brown colored. I liked the old underwear (it does peek out from under some of the armor pieces currently in game) and would prefer either a small bikini/bra top or invisible unless shirtless type deal as well. At the very very least, dyable would be a decent compromise. Ugly brown dirty burlap just looks out of place with the beautiful armor we're given.
basically served as invisible clothing to wear under armor so you didnt have to unequip your shirt and pants to have the ideal style you want.
The bandage wrap underwear is yuck and you cant even dye it. And the bandage wrap bra makes no difference than just taking off the shirts to begin with. They're bad for many types of armor that expose those areas. An example of this is wearing Blighted Cloth Armor and the Epic versions.
They were right on the money with the original incarnation of the emperor shirt and pants.
Edit: correction. Burlap wraps.
What you had was just great....I made a set for my DC, who is using armor transformed to the Dark Armor of Lolth, and the result was....quite nice.
Now, I imagine that someone may have perceived that there might be a problem with topless female characters running around, because without the armor the effect used to be like this:
But really...the recent change completely destroys my interest in the transformation - the "solution" to make the shirt show the ugly "burlap bra" totally destroys the effect - I see no point in bothering with the Emperor transformation in that case.
Now, if you cannot stomach the risk of teenagers running around as topless Barbie-like, nípple-less females, the best solution would be the following:
Make the transformed shirt show the "burlap-bra" only if no armor is worn, but make it completely invisible beneath armor.
With armor, the effect should really be like as if you are wearing no shirt.
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Completely agree...what's the point having a fancy armor that shows a nice bit of skin, and then destroy the effect like this
This totally depends on the armor you use. Most of mine at the moment would actually look really weird and horrible with no shirt or pants, or would have very small amount of bare skin oddly showing through small gaps because their armor covers most of them anyway. I have frequently transmuted and dyed everything so that the shirt/pants are a fully incorporated part of the look, and making them invisible by default would absolutely destroy my creations.
I think there should be a functional option, but I no more want to *not* see my shirt on most of my characters than you and your friends want to see yours. It should be a choice.
Further edit: Do I even need to mention that there were plenty of bravos and thank yous posted when the cloth and leather tunics were released which allowed female CWs and TRs to cover up their bare bellies if they wished? Apparently I do.
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I agree here. The original Emperor's models gave us this choice. And you could pick to be skimpy up top, bottom or both. Or stay more covered without transmuting.
That's pretty much lost now.
Exactly that.
That's what the fuss from the top was about? All it looks like is a barbie doll; its not that big of a deal.
There are two "issues" here.
Issue #1: Originally, if an emperor shirt is worn by a female character, without armor, the character would seem topless, as in the second picture above. This bothers some people, so the emperor shirt was changed to show the "burlap bra" instead.
Fine, except that this caused...
Issue #2: Many people would have used the emperor shirt with non-covering armor - it is kind-of pointless with plate mail, but worked beautifully with certain armor pieces like the Dark Armor of Lolth (see my first picture above), the Hellfire armor (see photo earlier in this thread) and other similar armor pieces. However, now the "burlap bra" is visible, which kind-of spoils the effect many people were trying to create. This is obviously not an issue for male characters, but it is really, really annoying for the female ones.
The best solution to both issues would be what I proposed earlier, although I don't know if it is technically possible...
Have the "burlap bra" show on female characters if no armor is worn, but disable it underneath armor.
Basically, what we had at first was nice, although a bit expensive...what we have now is simply not worth creating.
And uh, yeah, I'd definitely not want my pants/shirt visuals disabled by default. My TR's armor transmutes show a lot of his underclothes, especially his pants. Like, almost all of his pants:
http://www.iankunx.net/veldrin5.jpg
You really want to see ugly green-brown underwear and bare legs? :P (And bare upper arms)