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nwnghost
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These 2 armor sets are and remain simply the best choice for any mid-endgame Cleric and Wizard because their bonus effectively increases party damage by 30% each.
In order to make other armor sets competitive and to stop making PvE content so trivial, I would strongly recommend reducing the bonus such that each High Prophet Stack shreds 3% defense (down from 10%) and High Vizier no longer stacks up to 3 times -> 1 stack of 250 defense only.
This would go a long way towards making PvE content less trivial, other armor sets viable and reduce reliance on "must have" class builds in a party.
In order to make other armor sets competitive and to stop making PvE content so trivial, I would strongly recommend reducing the bonus such that each High Prophet Stack shreds 3% defense (down from 10%) and High Vizier no longer stacks up to 3 times -> 1 stack of 250 defense only.
This would go a long way towards making PvE content less trivial, other armor sets viable and reduce reliance on "must have" class builds in a party.
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How about they just delete all the characters and instead make us play pac man.
Seriously. I'm on the fence about not playing anymore after the CW devastation. Ruin the 2 decent sets in the game and they might as well just shut it down.
You must be joking....
They got smarter with the HR and made M1/M2 sets viable for them, mainly because of toned down 4-pieces on T2.
They're due for a buff. It is known. And it is in the works. Hopefully it wont take till Mod 5 to see it.
And please don't act like DC's are weak. They are the 2nd most requested class in groups that don't vastly outgear the content. GWF's come into play when they can bring top tier dps while tanking. Once that happens is when groups stop asking for DC's.
DC's are not weak. The content is the problem. They do lack build choices through. Which probably has partly to do with the fact that they have a dumb amount of damage abilities for a support class.
Hopefully these 14k GS dungeons will help this problem. And they don't take half a year to bring out something new before everyone has 1.5xGS of the current content.
Better than a flat 30% damage boost? That sound even worse.
We could be in mod 20 and that set bonus would still be #1 unless they retraced it into another set or made one with a higher %. And remember. This only takes up 4 slots. It's not like all of your equipment will be outdated. Just 4 pieces. Even if you would suffer a damage loss. The 30% you'd give yourself form this set bonus would cover it as long as you can keep it up.
I do understand what you mean. A lot of sets out there are some trash bonuses or are far to restricted by internal cooldowns.
But I fear the set that is worth considering next to a 30% groupwide damage bonus does not sound very balanced. And neither is HP/HV.
Problem with the above statement, in regards to DCs, is that Player definition of Buff is completely different than the Devs view of it.
DCs luck, with the upcoming "buffs" that are supposedly coming, DCs will have more armor penetration stat gear and have their healing completely taken away. <--- no joke this could happen *sarcasm...or is it?*
Hell the new mod5 armor for DCs still has armor penetration as a stat, after the majority of the DCs on the forum have asked, pleaded, and maybe even begged for that stat to be done with on DC gear.
Give us a better armor with appropriate stats, as other classes have!
They changed it for recovery.
Ah yes. Actually devs like to apply nerfs because they're sadists that like to drink kids's tears and see players going away from their game.
I think the devs should add some sets that increase the damage of all your party by 50% for all classes, and everyone will be happy killing bosses with one encounter combo.
He was talking about the OP, not the devs.
And based on what I've seen the OP post in the feedback threads for the new module, I'm pretty convinced he's just a very sly troll.
So depending of enchant + lvl off armor penetration you are using you can easely goes with an other set
you don't understand how HV, HP, Terror anf plague fire work
By all means, I don't think or suggest that DC's are weak. I have 2....1 AC build for PVP and DO for PVE. My DO is an INT build for faster casting. I have given up thinking that I will do any sigificant damage (ever) and focus on being able to quickly/constantly buff/debuff my team. And I am completely OK with that. I use the HP set strictly and run CN without any problem all the time. I have no problem running single/solo content, though it obviously takes longer than on my CW.
But, in agreement with the majority of other posts...I am tired of new DC sets coming out with Arm Pen and Life Steal stats! It's just silly!! The dev's should embrace how DC's have to played to be helpful/useful in a party setting and give us some other options.
I don't care about my GS......if I did, I would run my MH set or any of the other 4 sets I have in my inventory. What I care about is using a set that actually helps me help the group complete content! The reality is, for good or bad, the amount of healing a DC can do with a high GS group is just supplemental to what they receive from their own LS. So, give me a set that helps me buff/debuff better than a set that's been out for 2 modules.....or I will continue to always run HP in PVE.
Cheers,
When I went on /lfg to try a pug on DK someone actually asked me by PM if I had HV.
The current bonuses of these sets are not in the "bonus" tier, it's even better than some enfeeblement encounter powers. By seeing the other sets you notice that they're supposed to be just a plus, and it's totally the opposite with HV and HP.
Just because he has a bad reputation it doesn't mean his argument is bad.
Anyway, the thing is that the classes should rely on their powers and builds, not on the 4-part bonuses of their sets; the way it is right now is just silly. DCs without this set simply have way less utility, and the HV bonus is much better than any other CW set bonus.
The importance of these sets are so high that if you nerf one of them right now, you'll have to increase the performance of the class itself. And this is exactly what I suggest to do, since about 3/4 of the competitive players of these classes play with these sets.
thanks, can you enlighten me then because as far as i understand all things it seems to work as i descript below but maybe i'm wrong
HV set as far as i understand shot defense value : defense value give a % of damage resist that cumulate with armor % resist + eventually some gift or feat and give total damage resist. also the higher point you goes une defense value, the lower each extra point will give for damage absorption. here as far as i understand defense can not goes under 0 but maybe i'm wrong same for damage absorption seems it canno't goes under 0. the ignore feat resist ignore part of the resist of oponen
terror enchant work same as HV set and shot also defense value
plague shot damage resist (same for the ignore resist).
And finally exist one last effect (don't know the english name sorry but it the one that you get with the debuf ray or the last power of thauma way). this one directly increase damage.
So well can you correct the point(s) were i mistake
regards
If an enemy has 10 debuffs of -20% defense, all damage against that enemy will be increased by 200%.
There was a bug with High Vizier before where you could get 50+ stacks of the debuff in one enemy; the damage increase continues regardless of defense value.
ok so seems to be an uncaped value then + it seems to work same as mitigation
By the way can you then explain me what the difference between defense, neutra and mitigation because then + it seems to work same as mitigation as you are describe it
This is the #1 thing I miss from SWTOR. Their way of gearing is by far the best I've seen in an MMO.
If you don't know. Each piece of gear has slots. An chest piece for example would have an Armoring, Modification and an Enhancement. No matter what armor you were wearing. These 3 things made up the stats. This also made it doubled as how you would change your appearance without requiring different stats. The only down side is that a lot of the BiS pieces came from the same item for every class. So you'd have no one wanting to roll on Gloves and everyone rolling on Boots. Which also forced you to pull the slotted item you wanted out of a different armor to put in your new armor. Instead of just getting the mod you wanted. Even with that hassle. It is still easily the best gearing system I've seen.
Goes further into other problems the Devs are creating with their armors. Everyone's so high on their soft caps from most items that you may as well just make T3 gives a total of 3k to everything and put the rest of the points into power/defense. It's becoming pointless to stack anything else. I'd say Mod5 will require a level increase to reset these soft caps.
Because some people want to see balance in the game. Instead of one all-powerful set that will be BiS no mater how undergeared it makes them. This is a problem in a lot of set bonuses. A lot are either too strong or too weak. This is also often because of poor internal cooldowns.
Yes, people are being forced to use it. If you're taking a CW to CN are you taking the one that increases everyone's damage by 30% or the one that deals 5% more damage than the other CW? Oh wait. The other CW gets the 30% bonus too. This is a problem we're having with class balance too. Why take anything but a CW or GWF for damage? Balance is very important.
In short. If it's not Armor Pen. It actually increases the damage the target takes instead of reducing it's defenses.
NW has a lot of really bad tooltips and does not do a very good job clarifying almost anything. The fact a 30% damage boost get though internal testing makes me wonder if Cryptic doesn't even understand these sets. If it was 30% armor pen I could see it being considered balanced compared to other sets of their tear. It would mean the whole group would need zero armor pen in their stats. Not that it's easy to get rid of it.
You must be joking....by the way the CW was forgotten until the new trailer of the M4. ridiculous
In monsters, defense decrease = mitigation decrease.
I don't know what is the mitigation value decreased when the defense decrease is made with a numeric value though (e.g. 450 defense instead of 10%).
High Vizier is so mandatory for a CW that nerfing it means you're nerfing the class. In my opinion this is wrong and should be changed.
this overall sums up all of the problems with these sets.
That's why you bring other sets up. You don't throw a hissy fit and punch the guy sitting next to you. That's what the pro-nerf everything crowd does.
You can give imaginary new sets +1000 power per piece and people will still want someone to use HP/HV instead because it is a 30% damage buff for you and everyone else in the party.
The only way they could make a more desirable set, is to make one which grants even more damage to the entire party, which would be a horrible idea.
It is because these 2 sets are too powerful, that noone in the endgame would really consider using something different 99% of the time.
This game has enough power creep. We overpower the content so much it's disappointing. Nerfs are needed before buffs in this case. I can at least agree 4pc bonuses are overall very bad. My HR has a set that grants a 20% chance on critical strike to make my next encounter deal an extra 1700 damage. You may think that sounds fine. But wait, there's more. It has a 1min internal CD. Not only is there a timer between activation. It's activation requirements are quite bad that anyone actually at the gear level of T2 probably wouldn't even see the ICD often.
Heck. Undoubtedly CW's are being balanced around this set right now. If it was nerfed they'd probably need a buff. That's how bad this set is for the health of the game. The class would likely NEED a buff to compensate it.
And if the idea of all the sets being equal is fine to you as well. Then why not nerf this one to their level? They'd still be equal.
We're not asking for CW nerfs. We're asking for one armor set to not be so dominating. And you can't just make other sets equal it's power. If you really don't understand this go look up power creep.