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Are you tired of the word "perma" ?
anatas07
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Are you tired or chasing ghosts that you can't hit ?
Are you tired or chasing ghosts that you can't hit ?
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Exactly that. If there was a strong alternative, I can guarantee you, there would be fewer permas. The TRs I know don't find it particularly fun to run around on a point in stealth and would much prefer a more exciting play style, as long as it doesn't involve them getting destroyed the moment they leave stealth.
So there ARE other options, it depends on what each person values more.
There are a number of perma alternatives that are perfectly "viable" depending on how you look at the word. To many TRs, "viable" means that they are able to kill any class in a 1v1 and can contest a node for minutes on end even while fighting multiple enemies. For other classes, that type of power would be considered a hell of a lot more than "viable"...Non perma is perfectly viable, its just that perma is better and most TRs don't want to play a build anything short of optimal (and I don't blame them, why shouldn't they?)
Most TRs have been spoiled by perma and think that "its just our best option because Cryptic took away all of our one-shot abilities" when in reality, its an OP option and these TR want to be OP...other classes would kill to have a build as "viable" as non-perma can be. Players like this want more than viability though, they want dominance, if it were about viability there would be more people playing non-perma.
Take away perma-stealth and TRs would still be doing as well if not better than most classes...
Edit : For clarity, I suppose people have varying opinions on what perma actually is. To me, perma is using BnS, SS, and ItC to stay immune/invisible permanently.
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But until then.... you'll keep being "haunted by ghosts".
lol........ okay
This is the problem with players. They don't seem to understand that without stealth, a TR will die incredibly fast. Their defences are so low that they need the stealth. That's why they use it. You can't suggest the removal of stealth without suggesting some other significant changes to their class that allow them to "stand and fight." Hell, I could kill a TR without stealth on my BiS DC.
Yes i can suggest it. And yes i know why they use it. And, with all things being equal why should an armor less rogue be able to stand and fight a full plate knight?
Why would they want to do such a stupid thing? Fighting fair is for suckers, especially in the D&D universe.
It's ludicrous to give one class leather armor and another class plated armour if the class with leather armor doesn't have anything to compensate for its lack of defences. I'd say that's pretty obviously unfair/imbalanced. I don't care if stealth is completely removed from TRs, but I'm not stupid enough to recognize that if this were to happen, some serious form of compensation would have to occur, otherwise you've entirely destroyed the class. That's... just... so... obvious...
I'm not particularly a fan of TRs, but I am a fan of class balance. Hence, I am not opposed to suggestions that might change stealth or anything else, but they need to be accompanied by a strategy to maintain a TR's viability.
You mean like how there are "perfectly viable" GWF build alternatives in mod2~mod3 (depending on how you look at the word), but for some reason they all go only Iron Vanguard, because to many GWFs "viable" means that they are able to kill any class in a 1v1 and can contest a node for minutes on end even while fighting multiple enemies...?
Just like how GWFs are a hell of a lot more than "viable", and hence, glass-cannon GWFs should be perfectly viable.. but its just that Iron Vanguard builds are better and most GWFs don't want to play anything else, right?
So most GWFs are spoiled by playing invincibility builds, and think that "its just our best option because Cryptic gave us all of the game's best goodies to us, so there's no reason not to use it"... when in reality, its an OP build and these GWFs want to be OP.. other classes would kill to have a build as "viable" as a GWF can be. Players like this want more than viability though, they want dominance, if it were about viability there would be more people playing Swordmasters in mod2.
Take away the bullchi* gap closers and chain proning, and GWFs would still be doing as well, if not better than most classes.
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...it's frustrating to look in the mirror, ain't it? :rolleyes: I mean, if these lines of complaints were coming from a DC or a CW I'd understand... but a GWF apologist's diss on permas... imagine that.
(ps) Changes are coming to TRs as well. It's just that developers say they didn't have enough time to fix DCs and TRs.. so don't fret too much. TR days are limited. There are probably going to be just as much 'shocking' changes to TRs to make enough players QQ like there's no tommorrow, so just wait it out a bit.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Currently in pvp if a TR is out of stealth he is as good as dead. Every class has mitigation and stealth is ours. Now that said, I don't think being in stealth for 5 minutes was ever the plan for the class. Just as other builds started doing worse and worse, TR moved to be more defensive. Until they change the fundamentals of stealth/TR class, perma aren't going anywhere. And really they shouldn't have to. You are the most value to your team by holding a node. The best way to do that as a TR is using stealth to your advantage.
The OP says he is chasing a ghost. There are many ways of killing the ghost, learn them
Name one that isn't, at the very least, semi-Perma. Or Rustlord's reflect build that requires BiS gear and boons.
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Perma rogues are good if they keep a long distance from you but its easy to chase one down and knock them out of stealth or get in a good frontline surge if you can see where they are plus many of them break stealth and go impossible to catch and try duelist flurry then i just back off so they miss and wait for it to run out and then kill them.
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They are also not the strongest build in pvp at the moment. I imagine the person who started this post is a glass cannon build cw
And anybody saying about other viable builds... have you even played a TR, most likely not since anything other than perma vs a top end gwf will have you dead in less than 10seconds.
"Are you tired or chasing ghosts that you can't hit ?"
Why would you chase a ghost, you should be standing on the cap..... puglife
Yeah...sure they would. I ran stabby stabby executioner since beta, but got so tired of not being able to do anything (I don't have perfects and rank 10's with 3 legendary artifacts), so I eventually moved to a perma type build just to compete in PVP.
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Thank you.
TR's play perma/semi perma because there is no other viable choice. You looked at Shocking-Slap-on-the-Wrist lately? You looked at any TR powers lately? Encounters are used to support stealth, Dalies are situational at best, we have one decent At-Will that is reliable when landed and many of TR powers suffer from inferior animation ( sic 'Dazzling-bore-your-oppent-to-death' because they can certainly out manouver this Daily; even in dungeons it is a hi-risk strategy - assuming you can pull it off). Balance would be nice. Name a reliable Daily for 1v1 damage. Yes Lurkers can be useful but even that is highly situational - don't expect to see much of your surroundings for example. Even Bloodbath was nerfed in the last patch. No-one is particularly fond of TRs but least you are balanced enough to consider the TR pariah class.
Why do CW's get four encounter slots anyway? TR's only get three and two of those you need need to maintain stealth; one left over "damage" lol.
Perma.
i dont like it either but what other word could be used ? infi-stealth ? lol we will just have to put up with it ^^
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That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
But its true, it is permanent stealth so its the right word its just because it gets used a lot is why people find it annoying but im glad it isn't a more annoying word is all.
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Yes! Exactly what I mean!
Why you take everything so personally dude? :rollseyes: Why do you think everyone one here is in a class war? Where did I say that this same logic doesnt also apply to other classes? I didnt.
My point is that while TRs (and yea GWFs or HRs who pull the same **** about their own OP abilities) always cop out with "oh we need perma to be viable" they use that word viable to really mean dominant. Being able to beat any class 1v1, being able to contest a node vs multiple enemies for an entire match, that is dominating ... NOT being viable. What wizard can do that same thing? What GF? What Cleric!? LOL . Don't tell me TR needs perma in order to be viable. Without perma TR will struggle in PvP no more than CW/GF/DC already struggle. Thats all I am saying.
Now relax and stop making personal enemies on a forum based off of what class people play...
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