And yet somehow I'm more likely to not give a s#1t about your opinion. Imagine that. Ok bye.
No one cares about you, you have to come here to find your meaning of life by assaulting me, that is just pathetic. You are being a baby that cry for attention at least I give out a OPINION and what you do is to rage on me because I may say something to you before that upset you? Jokes on you.
I know exactly who you are in game, and you are a trash. So plz stop embarrassing yourself by even opening your mouth, just go sit and time out until you become less dumb thx.
Some people fail to realize that not all of us play to be in the top 1% of pvpers, some of us just play to have fun, and want a way to be competitive, not the best of all.
No one cares about you, you have to come here to find your meaning of life by assaulting me, that is just pathetic. You are being a baby that cry for attention at least I give out a OPINION and what you do is to rage on me because I may say something to you before that upset you? Jokes on you.
I love how people comment on things that they have no idea about.
Let me ask everybody a question:
One day a millionaire come up to you and teach you the secret of success, then a street drug seller come up to you and share his success formula, now you have to pick one as your golden rule of life, which one should you pick?
In short, is OP a good TR, or is he even a good PVP player? My guess he doesn't fit neither of the case, he is just another PVE/PVP causal player that share his opinion in forum, which btw that opinion is ridiculously misleading.
I say that cause I play with and against the top tier players in PVP scene, which gives me the knowledge to comment, but can OP say the same about himself?
TL;DR
OP is having another daydream section, any TR that is not full perma build or semi pema build suck monkey balls in PVP period
Posts like these aren't opinions. It's you needlessly belittling others to make a show of how important you are.
In a game no less. You know me? That's neat. You think I'm trash, well, good for you.
As I said before, based on how you treat others your "opinion" holds little sway for me.
I didn't "rage on you" (...gross). Although I may have too succinctly stated what I meant.
Which was; When you stoop as low as to insult people and categorize them (especially when you really don't know them) to get your thoughts across any self respecting adult will dismiss you instantly.
I don't know you and based on your attitude I likely won't ever care to.
There is too much of, "I do it this way, and I am awesome - so if you don't do it my way - you are garbage,trash, stupid, ****, and idiot, worthless"
If someone wants to play their character the way they want to play it, how does that effect you at all? All of the "best" "Elite" "top" "pro" pvpers, you shouldn't even have one thing to say to any of these off builds or discussions. We all know that you and the way you do things is obviously the best and ONLY way to do anything. We are all just too stupid and noobish to realize it or admit - obviously.
If anyone should be telling these guys not to do their weird builds it would be us other people that have done weird builds. But you know that would never happen. Because we love the idea of people trying new and different things.
As Quitegonejin said earlier, none of us that have been posting WK builds have ever said anything about it being the greateset or best (Much unlike anyone who advocates top pvp perma) If anything there is an air of "Try this at your own risk" that is involved with any of these builds and concepts. If you are too afraid and under-confident in your skills to not rely on your gimmicky crutch like build then stay with it. Just also do us all a favor and stay out of discussions that you have nothing to bring to the table.
People who use the easiest build, with top end gear that is obviously cash fed and only queue in premades, you are about the most cowardly people in games, period. So just stay in your little 1% top end pvp populace and just live happily there, we would all sure appreciate it.
Also to add a note, as people have said in this thread that a TR that isnt Perma or semi perma, is trash. Well lets take a look at TR's in general. If you aren't always in stealth you arent perma - no one is always in stealth. If you are sometimes in stealth you can be considered semi-perma correct? Since no one is in stealth 100% of the time and no one is out of stealth 100% of the time.
EVERY TR IS A SEMI PERMA INVIS BUILD, THATS HOW THE MECHANIC WORKS!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
so lets talk. i would like to be clear once for all trying to explain myself with the best english i can.
you want to play your tr, you dont want to be "the best" but you want to have fun while still being competitive.
your class has is damage nerfed quite a bit so vorpal is not the best choice but hey you want to have fun, ok vorpal.
what make a person to have fun in pvp? A challenge, you want to fight and you ( i hope ) want to win.
but hey pugs are like a disease they are everywhere and to win i am the one that has to carry them.
how can i carry dem pugs?
i must be the one to avoid their node base to be always red.
and how how can i do it? i dont have to die often and i still need to do some reliable damage....
mmmm...what my class has to offer...lemme look...stealth.....feat about being stealth.... more run speed while im in stealth....mmmm more damages while im in stealth...
mmm... probably stealth is the things that will allow me to do damages and survive. Guess what? it is.
you cant even land an at will without being stealthed... and to the ones " i dont need stealth i have deflect too OP": a gwf can land all his combo and kill you even if you deflect all (or in the next 5 sec).
so lets face the reality:
1)you are not going to kill a 45k gwf .
2)you are not going to kill a low geared SMART gwf.
3)hell you are not going to kill any good HRs this is sure.
4)and you are not going to kill a 90% time stealthed tr. why? because what you are going to do when you exit from your stealth and i still have 6-7 seconds? Jump. OH let's jump it's really FUN
Now i will give you the real reason for you to play like this:
you pretend to play a class in pve AND in pvp. this is not possible, is never gonna happen.
you need a good roll (and **** i dont have it) , you need good and pvp oriented feats.
> pvp with WK? NO.
LAST THING:
playing a stealth based build is not cheating the system.
Is not "i will sure win" if i play like this.
you will still die, you will still have challenge, you will still have problem with gwf and hr but you will feel more like "this can be fair fight" against those can commit tons of errors without paying too much for them.
First of all , guessing how the flow of combat will go is a big NO NO. Who says I am in staelth at all while you are? I dont stealth until a perma is visible. Everyone plays differently, and what is fun for some isn't for others.
What will happen when stealth gets changed and you no longer can rely on it so hard?
Will it take that to make you start thinking and testing different ways?
I am not sure anyone said the stealth system is cheating the system, that is ludicrous. It is just the way it works right now. Right now being the key term here.
So if I am following the logic correctly(correct me if I am wrong , please) To do good in pvp you need pvp feats? sounds good to me. And in your eyes, Movement speed, and longer stealth are pvp feats?
I don't play PvE at all except to do dailys. I play WK for PVP because it is fun for me, just as you can't see how being a WK could be fun, I can't understand how being invisible and safe for 90% of a match is fun, challenging, invigorating or anything really. And with the way vp works now, it is obvious why people are invisible most the time. I will ask again once more, what is it to any of you, or us, or me, how other people are building their character and playing it? No skin off of anyones teeth.
People want to have fun,and for a lot of us that involves not being a clone of everyone else and doing everything the same exact way down to gear/artifacts/build feats/skill rotation
If you try to play a Combat TR, MI or WK, and you are trying to play it like it is a stealth build - then there is the reason why you are getting horrible results. Would you use your perma build to focus on out of stealth attacks, or pure utility skills, or range attacks? Obviously not. Just as I will not play my WK as a perma, becase I am not built for it.
There is no way to say one build will beat another build, hands down. There are too many variables and outside factors to get any true answer to that kind of question. I know how I play my build, you know how to play yours. The biggest difference? Everyone knows how you play your build. Everyone knows what you are going to do, and usually when you are going to do it. Being invisible against any good player isn't even effective anymore. if you are really as good as you think you are - this statement needs no explaining. Getting a perma out of stealth is getting easier and easier, for everyone who plays a lot of PvP.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
you have absolutely right. WHEN and IF perma will not be a thing anymore i will be in trouble. why ? because there is no other viable options and i really tried all your stuffs for months.
Now to remove it they have to entirely rework the class not changing 2-3 things here and there.
Will it happen?
1)they will do it good offering a viable option on par with other classes. seems reasoning but you know...cryptic.
2) they will just screw up and i will stop playing the tr until good times come.
3)they will not move a single finger because they realize the complexity of the matter and the worry about losing more players.
this doesnt change things: semi-perma is the only viable builds even if not as fun as (far from it) being able to shot people was.
I can't understand how being invisible and safe for 90% of a match is fun, challenging, invigorating or anything really.
Off-topic: Just to chime in on this, I personally think it's fun, challenging, and invigorating being invisible and safe 90% of the time in a match when you are up against a groups of players who know how to fight and effectively kill permas. Getting a kill in that 5 vs. 1 is a work of art, the way I see it. It's difficult, but being able to pull it off is satisfying.
top permas now will be top combat tr tomorow if they nerf perma.
and combat trs now will spec to something not worth HAMSTER just so they have excuse when they lose
TR subforums is like a criminals community. Not a single day without fight and heavy argumentation
Good thing the mods looking at here is like a god's bless...otherwise the threads would be cleaned up/closed quickly :P
Technically, its more like a band of neighborhood thugs chiming into a bunch of kids having fun playing basketball at the local ballcourt. They cut in and blurt out; "You runts want to see what real ball playing is?" and then just yank the ball away from your hands, start crapping shi* all over the court with their "l33T" style, and then raise the middle finger, destroy the ball with a knife, and yammer; "Don' be no f***ing showing your faces around heah, becuz you runts nevah gonna be playin' like us in dah big leagues!".
And then they take a spit, and walk away congratulating each other how they "teached" someone how to play ball.
...
But then again, l33T players tend to be sociopaths with inflated egos and warped sense of pride, so its not really surprising. LOL
Wish they'd understand most other people don't give a rat's f*** about them and their stuck-up "viability" or "premades", but unfortunately, the concept that most people don't care neither about them nor about their small league of elite players, seem to constantly elude their minds.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Perhaps he forgot to add the logs of x3 GPF, P.terror and divine glow debuffs casted on him at the same time? lol
Doubt any TR would pull such damage on non-crit strike even on heavily debuffed target.
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No one cares about you, you have to come here to find your meaning of life by assaulting me, that is just pathetic. You are being a baby that cry for attention at least I give out a OPINION and what you do is to rage on me because I may say something to you before that upset you? Jokes on you.
I know exactly who you are in game, and you are a trash. So plz stop embarrassing yourself by even opening your mouth, just go sit and time out until you become less dumb thx.
Posts like these aren't opinions. It's you needlessly belittling others to make a show of how important you are.
In a game no less. You know me? That's neat. You think I'm trash, well, good for you.
As I said before, based on how you treat others your "opinion" holds little sway for me.
I didn't "rage on you" (...gross). Although I may have too succinctly stated what I meant.
Which was; When you stoop as low as to insult people and categorize them (especially when you really don't know them) to get your thoughts across any self respecting adult will dismiss you instantly.
I don't know you and based on your attitude I likely won't ever care to.
If someone wants to play their character the way they want to play it, how does that effect you at all? All of the "best" "Elite" "top" "pro" pvpers, you shouldn't even have one thing to say to any of these off builds or discussions. We all know that you and the way you do things is obviously the best and ONLY way to do anything. We are all just too stupid and noobish to realize it or admit - obviously.
If anyone should be telling these guys not to do their weird builds it would be us other people that have done weird builds. But you know that would never happen. Because we love the idea of people trying new and different things.
As Quitegonejin said earlier, none of us that have been posting WK builds have ever said anything about it being the greateset or best (Much unlike anyone who advocates top pvp perma) If anything there is an air of "Try this at your own risk" that is involved with any of these builds and concepts. If you are too afraid and under-confident in your skills to not rely on your gimmicky crutch like build then stay with it. Just also do us all a favor and stay out of discussions that you have nothing to bring to the table.
People who use the easiest build, with top end gear that is obviously cash fed and only queue in premades, you are about the most cowardly people in games, period. So just stay in your little 1% top end pvp populace and just live happily there, we would all sure appreciate it.
Also to add a note, as people have said in this thread that a TR that isnt Perma or semi perma, is trash. Well lets take a look at TR's in general. If you aren't always in stealth you arent perma - no one is always in stealth. If you are sometimes in stealth you can be considered semi-perma correct? Since no one is in stealth 100% of the time and no one is out of stealth 100% of the time.
EVERY TR IS A SEMI PERMA INVIS BUILD, THATS HOW THE MECHANIC WORKS!
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
you want to play your tr, you dont want to be "the best" but you want to have fun while still being competitive.
your class has is damage nerfed quite a bit so vorpal is not the best choice but hey you want to have fun, ok vorpal.
what make a person to have fun in pvp? A challenge, you want to fight and you ( i hope ) want to win.
but hey pugs are like a disease they are everywhere and to win i am the one that has to carry them.
how can i carry dem pugs?
i must be the one to avoid their node base to be always red.
and how how can i do it? i dont have to die often and i still need to do some reliable damage....
mmmm...what my class has to offer...lemme look...stealth.....feat about being stealth.... more run speed while im in stealth....mmmm more damages while im in stealth...
mmm... probably stealth is the things that will allow me to do damages and survive. Guess what? it is.
you cant even land an at will without being stealthed... and to the ones " i dont need stealth i have deflect too OP": a gwf can land all his combo and kill you even if you deflect all (or in the next 5 sec).
so lets face the reality:
1)you are not going to kill a 45k gwf .
2)you are not going to kill a low geared SMART gwf.
3)hell you are not going to kill any good HRs this is sure.
4)and you are not going to kill a 90% time stealthed tr. why? because what you are going to do when you exit from your stealth and i still have 6-7 seconds? Jump. OH let's jump it's really FUN
Now i will give you the real reason for you to play like this:
you pretend to play a class in pve AND in pvp. this is not possible, is never gonna happen.
you need a good roll (and **** i dont have it) , you need good and pvp oriented feats.
> pvp with WK? NO.
i do really love what trs were ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6nLETM70AI ) but time changed.
LAST THING:
playing a stealth based build is not cheating the system.
Is not "i will sure win" if i play like this.
you will still die, you will still have challenge, you will still have problem with gwf and hr but you will feel more like "this can be fair fight" against those can commit tons of errors without paying too much for them.
What will happen when stealth gets changed and you no longer can rely on it so hard?
Will it take that to make you start thinking and testing different ways?
I am not sure anyone said the stealth system is cheating the system, that is ludicrous. It is just the way it works right now. Right now being the key term here.
So if I am following the logic correctly(correct me if I am wrong , please) To do good in pvp you need pvp feats? sounds good to me. And in your eyes, Movement speed, and longer stealth are pvp feats?
I don't play PvE at all except to do dailys. I play WK for PVP because it is fun for me, just as you can't see how being a WK could be fun, I can't understand how being invisible and safe for 90% of a match is fun, challenging, invigorating or anything really. And with the way vp works now, it is obvious why people are invisible most the time. I will ask again once more, what is it to any of you, or us, or me, how other people are building their character and playing it? No skin off of anyones teeth.
People want to have fun,and for a lot of us that involves not being a clone of everyone else and doing everything the same exact way down to gear/artifacts/build feats/skill rotation
If you try to play a Combat TR, MI or WK, and you are trying to play it like it is a stealth build - then there is the reason why you are getting horrible results. Would you use your perma build to focus on out of stealth attacks, or pure utility skills, or range attacks? Obviously not. Just as I will not play my WK as a perma, becase I am not built for it.
There is no way to say one build will beat another build, hands down. There are too many variables and outside factors to get any true answer to that kind of question. I know how I play my build, you know how to play yours. The biggest difference? Everyone knows how you play your build. Everyone knows what you are going to do, and usually when you are going to do it. Being invisible against any good player isn't even effective anymore. if you are really as good as you think you are - this statement needs no explaining. Getting a perma out of stealth is getting easier and easier, for everyone who plays a lot of PvP.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
Now to remove it they have to entirely rework the class not changing 2-3 things here and there.
Will it happen?
1)they will do it good offering a viable option on par with other classes. seems reasoning but you know...cryptic.
2) they will just screw up and i will stop playing the tr until good times come.
3)they will not move a single finger because they realize the complexity of the matter and the worry about losing more players.
this doesnt change things: semi-perma is the only viable builds even if not as fun as (far from it) being able to shot people was.
Off-topic: Just to chime in on this, I personally think it's fun, challenging, and invigorating being invisible and safe 90% of the time in a match when you are up against a groups of players who know how to fight and effectively kill permas. Getting a kill in that 5 vs. 1 is a work of art, the way I see it. It's difficult, but being able to pull it off is satisfying.
and combat trs now will spec to something not worth HAMSTER just so they have excuse when they lose
Technically, its more like a band of neighborhood thugs chiming into a bunch of kids having fun playing basketball at the local ballcourt. They cut in and blurt out; "You runts want to see what real ball playing is?" and then just yank the ball away from your hands, start crapping shi* all over the court with their "l33T" style, and then raise the middle finger, destroy the ball with a knife, and yammer; "Don' be no f***ing showing your faces around heah, becuz you runts nevah gonna be playin' like us in dah big leagues!".
And then they take a spit, and walk away congratulating each other how they "teached" someone how to play ball.
...
But then again, l33T players tend to be sociopaths with inflated egos and warped sense of pride, so its not really surprising. LOL
Wish they'd understand most other people don't give a rat's f*** about them and their stuck-up "viability" or "premades", but unfortunately, the concept that most people don't care neither about them nor about their small league of elite players, seem to constantly elude their minds.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
TR = one-key OS-er
Ahahahahahaahahahahah this is probably a lashing blade + lurker.
What class are you playing?
Lashing Blade didn't have 16K base damage LOL even with Lurkers.
Doubt any TR would pull such damage on non-crit strike even on heavily debuffed target.
WTB Class Reroll please