My current computer is now over 5 years old and i want to buy a new one.
I know i will have a great improvement (generally, because of the new Setup) in the FPS and Quality. Currently i play with the lowest settings because i want 40 - 60 FPS. With a new Computer i want maximum quality AND FPS.
A big question is: What is the perfect system for Neverwinter?
P.S.: Sorry for my bad english.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
My current computer is now over 5 years old and i want to buy a new one.
I know i will have a great improvement (generally, because of the new Setup) in the FPS and Quality. Currently i play with the lowest settings because i want 40 - 60 FPS. With a new Computer i want maximum quality AND FPS.
A big question is: What is the perfect system for Neverwinter?
P.S.: Sorry for my bad english.
The Cryptic engine tends to stress the CPU more than the video card, so consider a higher end i5, an i7 or maybe something like an AMD FX-series processor. Beyond that, any decent video card will do - look for GDDR5 and something like an Nvidia card that has "50" or higher as its last 2 digits, (like a 560, 750, etc).
As for RAM - I would suggest 8GB or more for a new system, based upon your budget. If you're building something with triple-channel RAM, 6GB, (3 x 2GB), should suffice.
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited June 2014
There is no "perfect" system.
The better place to start is figuring out a budget and what are good parts you can afford in that budget. I mean if you wanted to go way, way over the top you could spend a few thousand on a computer but that's not really necessary.
You could build a computer system that is far superior to any console for $500 (which is saying a lot since Sony and MS realized they need to sell consoles at a major loss to make them attractive to begin with). You could also spend about 1500 and get a really upper end machine like me which is just a notch above sensible. If you go in the middle at around a thousand dollars you will get a very good gaming experience for just about every game on the market.
To top it off "perfection" also includes a sensibility aspect to most people. At some point while putting parts together there is a diminishing returns wall where putting additional money only comes with a few FPS improvement. For instance I have a GTX 780 and not a GTX 780Ti and the reason I went with this approach was because the Ti is generally 1-5 FPS better in most tests and is a lot more than a standard 780.
So what you should take out of this long winded post is that before anybody can begin to give advice we have to first know how you define perfect and know what price point you consider a reasonable investment in a computer. However, as I kind of brushed upon earlier, around a thousand dollars is about the best price to performance you will get from a home-built desktop (not budgeting for peripherals)
ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited June 2014
Just to address some points raised by Bioshrike's post...
The GTX 500 series is discontinued and thus are sold at a very, very bad price to performance rating. It's unlikely you will want to buy one of those. 600 series is hit or miss these days but honestly the 700 series, despite being the newest generation, has been out long enough to give the best price to performance. The GTX 750Ti is a couple of hundred dollars and is basically an improved and cheaper version of the GTX 670.
Also Intel is likely to release their new CPU's between this summer and winter. No hard date has been given yet. This will mean that the Haswell based i5's and i7's will generally see a decent price drop/sale in order to get the newer generation in the door. Something to consider if you go for an Intel based system.
Additionally when you take a non-biased approach AMD loses out on paper but in game FPS it's very comparable. Really only a few FPS difference where it counts in games. The hyperthreading gives Intel massive edges in test scores but games really do not take advantage of those systems. So while AMD does lose on paper they do offer comparable gaming experience for a lot less money.
I am running a 4770K (Haswell) but there were other considerations as to why I went Intel with my latest build. Looking from just a gaming perspective AMD will suit gamers just fine. Now if you want to screen capture or render videos that type of process would be better managed with an Intel CPU hands down.
I can spend 1.000 to 1.500 Bucks.
Normaly i am not a FPS-Fetish but after a 15 years with several computer systems that can manage most to all of the actuall Games with high graphics but low to moderate frame rate i want high graphics with 60 FPS, i hate this micro laggs of the graphics and stop motions films.
I have a 1980x1024 Monitor (1080x) and need no new other equipment. Another big question is, which operation system should i use in the future? Stay at Windows 7 or switch to the new Windows 8.1?
P.S.: Thank you for your help!
Platypus wielding a giant hammer, your argument is invalild!
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited June 2014
I have an older system atm; an AMD FX-6300 6-core running at 3.5-4.1Ghz per core, 16GB of DDR3 1600 RAM, and a GTX 460 (factory overclocked). I can run the game pretty well, (but the game really only ever takes advantage of 2 cores). I do a lot of multi-tasking, (like flipping back to the gateway to manage professions on my other characters, checking the wiki, etc), so those other cores come in handy.
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i have a 5 years old pc with:
- intel i7-930
- GPU ATI-RADEON HD 5770 1GB
- intenso SSD 120Gb
- 8GB RAM DDR3
- mb ASUS P6ST-se
and i can run NW in full high quality without problems... =D
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chaoscourtesanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
Just want to add.. NW uses your HDD a lot. Slow read/write will hurt your experience- a LOT. I have to rebuild my system because while it is very much overkill for this, I made a mistake in going with the raid level I went with (was more concerned with storage and redundancy than performance when I built it,) and the slow HDD makes life miserable. My setup is awesome for storage. But terrible for gaming, all because of slow disks.
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Since 2 Days i am playing with my New Computer and it is really funny to play with super graphics and FPS between 40-60
But sometimes my frames break in to 30 or below, happens most of the time in PE or Icewinddale.
Now the question is why and can i do something about it?
I know one option in the graphic settings is "bad" in german it's called "Trümmereffekt" it's about the rubble of the "Ball" of the CW or the Barrels that you can move. So i set it offline.
But which Settings are unneccessary too and only slow down my PC? Any idea? (I think there was a guide about the graphic settings, but can't find him).
P.S.: Sorry for my bad english
Platypus wielding a giant hammer, your argument is invalild!
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited July 2014
Lower your max physical debris to 100 or so. Decrease Shadows. Decrease reflections.
Those are the big three which will cause FPS drops.
bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2014
I find that debris and shadows eat up the most performance. PE, in particular, just has a lot of players, companions, mounts, and so on, so it'll be more sluggish there than other areas. Depending upon the time of day and overall population, the IWD zones can have a lot of traffic as well.
Sometimes, reducing the character draw distance can help a lot as well.
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I tested now something out.
The engine of neverwinter makes really problems if there are more than 5 to 10 players on the whole map. I was on the Preview Server in PE with the same Settings. Had 60 FPS with almost max. Settings and my computer was fine (He was like: LOL, are you kidding? That is easy!)
On the Live Server (Dragon), same Settings, 30-40 FPS and my computer has quite a struggle. (Besides PE has a some sort of Bug/Lag line, if you go out of the "hall of heros" at the second pillar row, my system freezes for 1 sec (instant lose of FPS) and then continue normaly, same on the Preview Server, but only on the third pillar row (had the same problem with the old system, something massive is loading in the background)
I think this is the reason why we will never have raids with 40 characters... if you compare it with an epic hero encounter in IWD (Beholder) no normal user can play properly, i go down to 20-30 FPS with 40 players, 20 monsters and one giant boss monster. The whole engine need a big overhaul. In other games like TERA (recently installed it to compare) i had not such a trouble, most of the time i had 60-80 FPS and my computer had no struggle to keep it up. Okey its a bit older then Neverwinter, but seriously... it has almost the same quality of graphic and animation (in some aspects of graphic it looks even better).
Platypus wielding a giant hammer, your argument is invalild!
What's funny is that my PC is 5 years old with a quad core AMD processor (forget the type), 4 Gig of RAM, and a pretty low-end video card (probably along the lines of Nvidia 400 series). The default settings of the game are near the top of the respective sliders with that old set-up. I sometimes get lag in boss battles involving lots of players, but it generally runs pretty lag-free!
Well I do have a SSD, so that probably helps a lot!
I think you'll be fine with a good AMD 6-core processor, 8 Gig of RAM, and a Nvidia GTX780 video card. It won't break the bank either.
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The Cryptic engine tends to stress the CPU more than the video card, so consider a higher end i5, an i7 or maybe something like an AMD FX-series processor. Beyond that, any decent video card will do - look for GDDR5 and something like an Nvidia card that has "50" or higher as its last 2 digits, (like a 560, 750, etc).
As for RAM - I would suggest 8GB or more for a new system, based upon your budget. If you're building something with triple-channel RAM, 6GB, (3 x 2GB), should suffice.
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums
The better place to start is figuring out a budget and what are good parts you can afford in that budget. I mean if you wanted to go way, way over the top you could spend a few thousand on a computer but that's not really necessary.
You could build a computer system that is far superior to any console for $500 (which is saying a lot since Sony and MS realized they need to sell consoles at a major loss to make them attractive to begin with). You could also spend about 1500 and get a really upper end machine like me which is just a notch above sensible. If you go in the middle at around a thousand dollars you will get a very good gaming experience for just about every game on the market.
To top it off "perfection" also includes a sensibility aspect to most people. At some point while putting parts together there is a diminishing returns wall where putting additional money only comes with a few FPS improvement. For instance I have a GTX 780 and not a GTX 780Ti and the reason I went with this approach was because the Ti is generally 1-5 FPS better in most tests and is a lot more than a standard 780.
So what you should take out of this long winded post is that before anybody can begin to give advice we have to first know how you define perfect and know what price point you consider a reasonable investment in a computer. However, as I kind of brushed upon earlier, around a thousand dollars is about the best price to performance you will get from a home-built desktop (not budgeting for peripherals)
The GTX 500 series is discontinued and thus are sold at a very, very bad price to performance rating. It's unlikely you will want to buy one of those. 600 series is hit or miss these days but honestly the 700 series, despite being the newest generation, has been out long enough to give the best price to performance. The GTX 750Ti is a couple of hundred dollars and is basically an improved and cheaper version of the GTX 670.
Also Intel is likely to release their new CPU's between this summer and winter. No hard date has been given yet. This will mean that the Haswell based i5's and i7's will generally see a decent price drop/sale in order to get the newer generation in the door. Something to consider if you go for an Intel based system.
Additionally when you take a non-biased approach AMD loses out on paper but in game FPS it's very comparable. Really only a few FPS difference where it counts in games. The hyperthreading gives Intel massive edges in test scores but games really do not take advantage of those systems. So while AMD does lose on paper they do offer comparable gaming experience for a lot less money.
I am running a 4770K (Haswell) but there were other considerations as to why I went Intel with my latest build. Looking from just a gaming perspective AMD will suit gamers just fine. Now if you want to screen capture or render videos that type of process would be better managed with an Intel CPU hands down.
Normaly i am not a FPS-Fetish but after a 15 years with several computer systems that can manage most to all of the actuall Games with high graphics but low to moderate frame rate i want high graphics with 60 FPS, i hate this micro laggs of the graphics and stop motions films.
I have a 1980x1024 Monitor (1080x) and need no new other equipment. Another big question is, which operation system should i use in the future? Stay at Windows 7 or switch to the new Windows 8.1?
P.S.: Thank you for your help!
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums
CPU
Intel Core i7-4790 4x 3.60 GHz
RAM
16384MB DDR3 Dual Channel 1600MHz (2x 8GB)
GPU
2048 MB NVIDIA Geforce GTX 770, Gainward Phantom, 2x DVI, HDMI, Display Port
PC Mainboard 1150
MSI Z97-G43 (Chipsatz: Z97/ATX)
PC 1. Harddrive
1000GB SATA III 7200upm
PC 2. Harddrive
250GB SATA III Samsung 840 EVO SSD
PC Soundcard
Creative Sound Blaster Z bulk, PCIe
He should have enough power to handle Neverwinter with a proper frame rate
(Total amount of 1.100 €)
- intel i7-930
- GPU ATI-RADEON HD 5770 1GB
- intenso SSD 120Gb
- 8GB RAM DDR3
- mb ASUS P6ST-se
and i can run NW in full high quality without problems... =D
Roland Mac Sheonin GF | Tarron Direheart SW |
On the SSD will he my OS and 2-3 of my favorite games (which Includes Neverwinter).
But sometimes my frames break in to 30 or below, happens most of the time in PE or Icewinddale.
Now the question is why and can i do something about it?
I know one option in the graphic settings is "bad" in german it's called "Trümmereffekt" it's about the rubble of the "Ball" of the CW or the Barrels that you can move. So i set it offline.
But which Settings are unneccessary too and only slow down my PC? Any idea? (I think there was a guide about the graphic settings, but can't find him).
P.S.: Sorry for my bad english
Those are the big three which will cause FPS drops.
Sometimes, reducing the character draw distance can help a lot as well.
"Is it better to be feared or respected? I say, is it too much to ask for both?" -Tony Stark
Official NW_Legit_Community Forums
The engine of neverwinter makes really problems if there are more than 5 to 10 players on the whole map. I was on the Preview Server in PE with the same Settings. Had 60 FPS with almost max. Settings and my computer was fine (He was like: LOL, are you kidding? That is easy!)
On the Live Server (Dragon), same Settings, 30-40 FPS and my computer has quite a struggle. (Besides PE has a some sort of Bug/Lag line, if you go out of the "hall of heros" at the second pillar row, my system freezes for 1 sec (instant lose of FPS) and then continue normaly, same on the Preview Server, but only on the third pillar row (had the same problem with the old system, something massive is loading in the background)
I think this is the reason why we will never have raids with 40 characters... if you compare it with an epic hero encounter in IWD (Beholder) no normal user can play properly, i go down to 20-30 FPS with 40 players, 20 monsters and one giant boss monster. The whole engine need a big overhaul. In other games like TERA (recently installed it to compare) i had not such a trouble, most of the time i had 60-80 FPS and my computer had no struggle to keep it up. Okey its a bit older then Neverwinter, but seriously... it has almost the same quality of graphic and animation (in some aspects of graphic it looks even better).
Intel i5 4690
Nvidia 750ti over clocked
8 ram
Win 7
Z97 mobo
Corsair 650w psu
120 gb ssd
1 tb sata hd
Will post fps and results in a few for you- entire build came in at 1100-
Ok just updated entire patch--- results were incredible
All settings on max and in PE getting over 45 FPS.
Well I do have a SSD, so that probably helps a lot!
I think you'll be fine with a good AMD 6-core processor, 8 Gig of RAM, and a Nvidia GTX780 video card. It won't break the bank either.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."