Elitists everywhere. If someone wants to pvp with low gs, so what? He should be able to do so without being called this or that. Everyone was fresh 60 once, and there are more fun ways to spend AD on than some gear you'll farm yourself anyway eventually (personally I find farming my gear much more satysfying than buying it, but I do not expect a pvp-er to understand that, everyone knows that [insert a bunch of insulting pvp-er stereotypes here]).
Oh and overddrive, I also do not care about gs as long as my team mates show at least some signs of thinking, I do not think that yelling helps much however. Your team mates most likely don't even speak english. Or, they do as I do whenever I hear a tactical advice in a typical pvp language, which sounds like: "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING YOU ***ed ****TARDS! GO THERE AND DO THAT MORONS!!!!" and do the opposite just to HAMSTER you off more.
It's all well and good if you are just trying it for the first time at 8k, what bothers me is that some people who don't even like pvp run alts that they never intend to gear up through pvp matches just to get the daily AD reward, and then get an attitude about people who expect them to try.
You can get 12K GS, with Rank 5s, in a week of invoking and doing dailies. You don't need to do any P2W. All you have to do is:
- invoke regularly
- do all AD dailies each day to reach refine cap. AD will be used to buy Rank 5 enchants and blue PvP gear/cheap epics
- do the quest for class artifact. Refine to blue
- get the free artifact. Make sure it's Waters of Elahzad, not anything else Refine to blue. Use it to heal yourselves some.
- run Shar and DR for 1-2 boons. Use invocation 6/7 to get DR items.
But most important:
Talk to somebody that PvPs regularly from your class, or ask in forums for advice. You need to understand what is your role first.
That's all.
Coming with 8K GS is an open insult towards your teammates. Learn some respect.
Dont curse the 8k GS player, curse the (not existing) ELO. Last time i checked my GWF was page 15ish on the leaderbord and I got 6k GS mates. I hoped, that they would give ELO a new go for mod 3, no such luck.
Sometimes I am surprised, what low GS players can do for the team, if they bother to try. I get angry, if the 5-9k GS DC does not heal and the HR, TR or CW stay far away/ in stealth, to leech some kills, running around in packs to capture all the points, not bothering with defending or contesting them. I die, they die and then they stay on the base, yay to that.
IF a low GS player uses his buff/ debuff skills he can help his team. If he thinks, that he is the killing machine waiting to happen it is a free ride for the enemy team.
I often think ltp, if I see what other players do but it should go, teach to play cryptic. Give ppl some introduction to PvP and a hint how to gear up. If they would recommend the forum to fresh lvl 60 chars some mistakes woud not be made.
Elitists everywhere. If someone wants to pvp with low gs, so what? He should be able to do so without being called this or that. Everyone was fresh 60 once, and there are more fun ways to spend AD on than some gear you'll farm yourself anyway eventually (personally I find farming my gear much more satysfying than buying it, but I do not expect a pvp-er to understand that, everyone knows that [insert a bunch of insulting pvp-er stereotypes here]).
Oh and overddrive, I also do not care about gs as long as my team mates show at least some signs of thinking, I do not think that yelling helps much however. Your team mates most likely don't even speak english. Or, they do as I do whenever I hear a tactical advice in a typical pvp language, which sounds like: "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING YOU ***ed ****TARDS! GO THERE AND DO THAT MORONS!!!!" and do the opposite just to HAMSTER you off more.
lol generalizations indicate a lack of thinking ("typical pvper's"), but your post did make me laugh in a way I think you intended. I start with "lets all please go to node 2, the middle node, to start." and progress to, "ok I am the only one who went to node 2 so we effectively gave the other team 2/3 of the match at the very start. Please fight on the actual nodes. Please. Thank you." to "fight on the nodes" to "fight on the **** nodes" to "this note is almost all blue and there are no enemies, nodes 2 and 3 are turning red, please go there where your needed" to "dammit fight on the nodes" to "ffs fight on the nodes, why do you people even enter a pvp match??" The language thing....when it is an all (insert non-english speaking nationality) team, I dont know what the heck they are saying but I still go to 2 first, I still dont rush to uncontested nodes my team is capping, and I still rush to nodes that the enemy is capping.
It is just common courtesy to not be absolutely horrible at something and make no effort what so ever. It is not a solo game. The other players should be taken into consideration.
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8K GS? That's what, green gear and no enchants? I didn't know it was still possible for a level 60 to have such low GS after leveling normally.
You can get 12K GS, with Rank 5s, in a week of invoking and doing dailies. You don't need to do any P2W. All you have to do is:
- invoke regularly
- do all AD dailies each day to reach refine cap. AD will be used to buy Rank 5 enchants and blue PvP gear/cheap epics
- do the quest for class artifact. Refine to blue
- get the free artifact. Make sure it's Waters of Elahzad, not anything else Refine to blue. Use it to heal yourselves some.
- run Shar and DR for 1-2 boons. Use invocation 6/7 to get DR items.
But most important:
Talk to somebody that PvPs regularly from your class, or ask in forums for advice. You need to understand what is your role first.
That's all.
Coming with 8K GS is an open insult towards your teammates. Learn some respect.
This is painfully true. So many times one gets yelled at when another is losing, for being "pay to win". Its like no, just make any kind of effort to win at all. There is an EPIC gap in effort that is reflected directly in the gs and skill gap.
made a new character reached lvl 60 a few days ago.
8k gs went pvp
while we in the game i get a msg from 1 of my teammates:"why u come here with such low gs"?
for real?
r u serious?!
i have the right to play pvp just as any other "god mode 14k gs"!
i do my best to try to help party, besides everybody started from low gs so now we low gs guys cant pvp???
u want high gs go q with your guild or make a pvp party
if u q u pug and thats what u get!!!!
If you collect all the ADs that were given to you for free each day you logged in until the day you reached 60, that would be more than enough to buy blues that costs like what, 150? 200? AD a piece, and that would be enough to reach over 10k GS at least. You could log in and play the 4 games Rhix gives you, 1 the DomBat master gives you, and in a couple of months you'll be equipped with Profound level gear, even without high rank enchantments that would be enough to push you over 12k.
Entering a playing field with low GS is certainly not a sin, but not even tryin is.
You say that's what people get when they queue for PuG games. You're right. But the same applies to yourself as well. That response is what you get if you queue into a PvP match with that lazy HAMSTER of a gear.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
To all the trolls who insist to enter pvp with greenies and whities and complaining you all are f2p players without buying 5k zen, let me help you a bit.
When you first enter Neverwinter, you can invoke around level 11, that will give you 1450 RAD. If you speed level via quest in 2 days without sleeping, you will have at least 1450 + 1000 AD without doing other dailies. Blue items is around 100 to 140 AD per piece, so you can buy 10 pieces without any serious problem, leaving your shirt and pants blank. Even you enter pvp the moment you reach level 60, it is possible to gear up yourself properly to reach 9k or 10k.
You don't even need rank 5, some rank 4s will do. PvP and play in the correct style will account you 4k AD, extra 4k more if you score a win. You have 8k AD now and at least 1k glory. Buy some pvp pots and some r5s now excluding 3 dark enchants. There you go, you are a welcomed-newbie-with-appropriate-gs, but you MUST listen to other commands, even they want you to suicide. I hate those who insult me for having 0 kills and tons of deaths AND didn't follow my instructions.
NEVER GO TO BLUE BASE when an enemy is trying to cap it, go to other red nodes instead. Always try to fight on node if the node is red and no allies on it, even you will die soon. In the beginning of the match, you follow the other 3 to mid, giving the most pro allies to cap your base, there is always a very good and fast backcapper in the enemy team to rush to your base and try killing everyone so pls just let the elite in your team to face him. Well, you got the hints and tips, you are an elite now but with low gs and lesser experience.
As someone who just recently started playing and hit 60 with a TR I pretty much spend my time doing the daily campaign stuff for boons and then pvp. As soon as I hit 60 I replaced almost all my gear with epics from the AH or pvp vendors. Took me a few days to complete the battlefield scavenger set (T1?) but I didn't get the pvp jewelry. Also using the cloak from the pvp campaign. Reading this thread made me realize I need shirt and pants, but with everything I have I'm around 8.6k GS. I believe I'm running R5 dark enchants and silver(+glory?) and plan on looking into higher ranks soon and dropping the silver. Everything is slow going as I play entirely solo and have to play in pugs since I haven't found a guild and no friends to play with, and I haven't done any dungeons or skirmishes because I especially hate pugging pve content. I hate the requirements for getting into Gauntlgrym but realize I would probably get destroyed, but at least I would have a chance to grind out the set if I could get in.
I don't think you can judge just based on GS alone, although greens and any non 60 gear should be a wtf moment.
I sell blues for ~100 AD each so I know there's no excuse for not having at least that level of quality.
All my AD (60kish) is from daily quests, putting blues on AH, and professions so I don't have much to work with, but where do I go from here? I have 14k glory which isn't much but could get a couple small upgrades. Is the skull worth it? I'm working on the waters and have it in the 40's. Also have a HR(should have kept the GWF) at 55, should finish 60 tomorrow so I can do the other artifact quest (you do need 2 60's to get it right?).
It's all well and good if you are just trying it for the first time at 8k, what bothers me is that some people who don't even like pvp run alts that they never intend to gear up through pvp matches just to get the daily AD reward, and then get an attitude about people who expect them to try.
Magenubbie: Ok, yes, I see what you mean. THIS is what I was speaking against, this quote up above? That's what I was referring to. "I'm just here for the daily, I don't care if I'm any good." People who are 8k and clueless-but-learning I'll happily teach! People who are 8k, clueless, and don't care because they just need their 4 domination events for the daily...THAT is what makes me crazy. Or people who are there (in Domination runs) again and again in greens as they try to grind for PvP gear and get MAD at me when I suggest getting some blues from auctions to help them for now. I don't expect people to be rolling in AD, but the level 60 blues are generally 200 AD or /less/. It's not exactly going to break the bank to at LEAST get out of the level 50-odd greens they have on!
Also, I just realized that we've had a disagreement AND came to an understanding on a /forum/...is that allowed? I think we're supposed to have a flame war or something.
As someone who just recently started playing and hit 60 with a TR I pretty much spend my time doing the daily campaign stuff for boons and then pvp. As soon as I hit 60 I replaced almost all my gear with epics from the AH or pvp vendors. Took me a few days to complete the battlefield scavenger set (T1?) but I didn't get the pvp jewelry. Also using the cloak from the pvp campaign. Reading this thread made me realize I need shirt and pants, but with everything I have I'm around 8.6k GS. I believe I'm running R5 dark enchants and silver(+glory?) and plan on looking into higher ranks soon and dropping the silver. Everything is slow going as I play entirely solo and have to play in pugs since I haven't found a guild and no friends to play with, and I haven't done any dungeons or skirmishes because I especially hate pugging pve content. I hate the requirements for getting into Gauntlgrym but realize I would probably get destroyed, but at least I would have a chance to grind out the set if I could get in.
I don't think you can judge just based on GS alone, although greens and any non 60 gear should be a wtf moment.
I sell blues for ~100 AD each so I know there's no excuse for not having at least that level of quality.
All my AD (60kish) is from daily quests, putting blues on AH, and professions so I don't have much to work with, but where do I go from here? I have 14k glory which isn't much but could get a couple small upgrades. Is the skull worth it? I'm working on the waters and have it in the 40's. Also have a HR(should have kept the GWF) at 55, should finish 60 tomorrow so I can do the other artifact quest (you do need 2 60's to get it right?).
Low gs pugs like you are golden. With this kind of productive attitude you will be at 16k gs and stomping pvp in no time at all. The only thing you seem to be lacking is a guild/tight circle of friends. That can really help. Hit me up if you see me in game.
I personally pay more attention to skill then GS. I've recently respecced alt CW to test Thaum. build, and obviously it was something little over 8 GS but less then 9 GS (all blues and 50 lvl shirt/pants, no boons). Surprisingly I was matched with pretty even teams, so mostly I ended up on winning sides and few times on top of the rank list. In a week I could effort 2 grym pieces without buying any purples from AH (and I could go 5 matches a day max). There was even a moment when I enjoyed PvP on her more then on my main CW. So much for arrogant ones, rushing to ban low GSs from PvP. I think matching mechanics helps (when it works). Though you still can get unlucky and be teamed against stronger opponents. But even so, you can always use it as an opportunity to test something - like irritating others with repel (which I don't like too much, but sometimes... ) or trying to keep them occupied on their own cap.
Bids he then the spruces to singer him an anthems!
And the Woodsie Lord binders them fleshes to stone!
I still do not get it why all you "you must not PVP below 15k GS," have the 8k GS players always assigned to you.
You know about the queuing system you know how it works, why don't you take the 3 minutes it takes to form a party in PE and enter with that?
Do you like to be dispointed? do you test if they already ninja'd in a useful matchmaking system?
You know what CAN happen, you queue, and then you complain. I wonder why!
Yes, anyone who CAN enter PvP should do that with the toon and gear score he likes.
You know there are people out there who don't bother. You will meet them if you do not try to avoid them.
They do not mind to meet you, but you do mind to be grouped with them. So it is your duty to take steps to avoid them if they or their attitude offends you.
There is green level 60 gear in the game, if you were not allowed to use it it should be patched out of the system.
And just because you can make the 24k easily with leadership and salvaging a few purples, does not mean everyone else has AD in abundance.
One year ago I also tried to save my AD for something bigger, and spending it on cheap blues would have pushed my saving goal further away than necessary. So I only wore what was there.
Also, the AH screen tells me that the green ring in the AH is superior to the purple ring I am wearing atm, so there is some game mechanic not working at all, too, to consider!
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Yes, I would think if a Pro met a bloody n??b, in a MMO, that the following would happen:
"I see you have suboptimal gear for PvP. Let me help you out a bit. Come with me to the AH after the match, I think I can help you get good gear. It's only 1k AH, and I have many of those."
Strangely, this more or less happened to me in Corrupted Souls a long time back.
A stranger bought me my first blues, as I never bought anything on the AH, not knowing what is good or bad, bein new to the game.
And having developed the mentality that you don't buy gear, it drops anyway. And I was used to outlevel a gear faster than I can put it on.
So, a new 60, will certainly be careful what to buy, and due to lack of knowledge, be very careful when deciding what to buy.
And the mechanics in this game (e.g. dimishing returns) are hard to comprehend and not at all explained in the game.
So how can you blame someone for not spending his money before he knows what he really needs?
Everyone should be free to enter any content they are eligible for.
If you end up in a pug with 8k peeps in greens, and this makes you angry: that is not their fault for bringing greens to PvP, it is your fault for getting angry at this, and more pertinently, your fault for queueing for pug pvp.
Essentially, if you queue up for PvP on your own, you KNOW what kind of experiences you might get. If an 8k player offends you that much, stop queueing for pug pvp.
I still do not get it why all you "you must not PVP below 15k GS," have the 8k GS players always assigned to you.
You know about the queuing system you know how it works, why don't you take the 3 minutes it takes to form a party in PE and enter with that?
Do you like to be dispointed? do you test if they already ninja'd in a useful matchmaking system?
You know what CAN happen, you queue, and then you complain. I wonder why!
Yes, anyone who CAN enter PvP should do that with the toon and gear score he likes.
You know there are people out there who don't bother. You will meet them if you do not try to avoid them.
They do not mind to meet you, but you do mind to be grouped with them. So it is your duty to take steps to avoid them if they or their attitude offends you.
There is green level 60 gear in the game, if you were not allowed to use it it should be patched out of the system.
And just because you can make the 24k easily with leadership and salvaging a few purples, does not mean everyone else has AD in abundance.
One year ago I also tried to save my AD for something bigger, and spending it on cheap blues would have pushed my saving goal further away than necessary. So I only wore what was there.
Also, the AH screen tells me that the green ring in the AH is superior to the purple ring I am wearing atm, so there is some game mechanic not working at all, too, to consider!
I am one of the ones that says it is not all about gear but about the desire to win. I like to pug when I get low gs people in my party who want to win. I love that, even if we lose. They tried and tried and probably did better than they previously thought they could. When we win it is the most fun gaming can offer. You see the entire losing team sitting atop the scoreboard BUT THEY LOST. The died less and killed more but they lost. Score one for the underdogs. That is good fun. The opposite is true when you have low gs people who dont even try. And sorry, if someone is 8k or less they arent trying. 8k is doable at level 50, at level 60 you pretty much stumble into it if you have been doing anything at all to actually improve your character along the way. Just a little more effort and thats 10k. After some grinding its 12, 14.
Everyone should be free to enter any content they are eligible for.
If you end up in a pug with 8k peeps in greens, and this makes you angry: that is not their fault for bringing greens to PvP, it is your fault for getting angry at this, and more pertinently, your fault for queueing for pug pvp.
Essentially, if you queue up for PvP on your own, you KNOW what kind of experiences you might get. If an 8k player offends you that much, stop queueing for pug pvp.
I would never say that low gs people should be banned from pvp or that there should be gs requirement. I would say two things:
1. There should be q for pugs and a q for a ranked ladder.
2. Low gs/unwilling to win people are free to join pvp and I am free to make it suck for them if they screw me during the match by being stupid. Yes I know what kind of experience I am going to get. People who q without a clue should know they are going to have a bad experience also.
1. There should be q for pugs and a q for a ranked ladder.
2. Low gs/unwilling to win people are free to join pvp and I am free to make it suck for them if they screw me during the match by being stupid. Yes I know what kind of experience I am going to get. People who q without a clue should know they are going to have a bad experience also.
"There should be" many things. Balance between classes, all should hail my name in devotion, a perfect game, but there is not at the moment.
If someone can not cope with the RNG that puts him together with strangers don't use the queue but form a pre-made according to your preference.
If you consider everyone not in all blues or purples a clueless person it shows your mindset and your acceptance of others.
Are there some people seriously defending entering 60 PvP in greens or less?
Seriously?
Domination is a team game. Queueing with such patently inadequate gear means you have no respect for anyone you might be teamed with. Explain why I should in turn treat these people with the respect they so clearly lack for others?
I don't want to 'flog' anybody. I just want people to make a little effort and show some respect by getting at least some cheap starter gear before entering 60 PvP. It really isn't much to ask. And if there are people who can't be bothered to do that then I can't be bothered with them.
Simple.
And for the record, I only check GS if things start going south fast. Like if the entire team melts in a picosecond during the first battle or somesuch. This sometimes helps as if I know our GWF is wearing the equivalent of paper armour I know not to rely on him to hold point and instead rotate in to help him out.
I will always try and make the best of a bad situation but these players are often the first to AFK at the campfire as they realise they have no chance whatsoever.
How do you know they lack respect? What is there to respect if they don't know what they are getting into? The gear they have might do perfectly for PvE, so why not at least try PvP?
I didn't PvP while lvling. I have some nasty experiences with low lvl PvP, so why would I have bothered myself with it if the alternative was an amazing -but short- PvE experience? My first PvP was on the day I got my first char to 60. I had no desire to come out on top, nor did I expect to with 9k GS and no experience. I just wanted to see what it's like. Those few matches taught me more about PvP than anything I read on the forums. So I farmed Sharandar, got better gear, learned how other classes play and improved on my own playstyle. Now I'm full profound on 3 characters and I mostly enjoy PvP even if I don't do it on a regular basis.
In short, not all of us came here with a pre-made plan of what and how we were going to play. You can't deny those people part of the game that's freely accessible just because they don't live up to your standard. As I said earlier, trolls and people who want to be carried is an entirely different matter.
I've played MMOs for years. In fact I started playing when the only multiplayer online game was text based and housed on the server of the University of Sussex running over the predecessor to the Internet. In all that time, this is the first game where I have played PvP. And yet I knew I would need some respectable gear before entering. More importantly, I was aware that in a TEAM game I did not want to let down my team mates by being completely useless. Well - more useless than just my inexperience made me anyway.
The information is not hard to come by. The gear is not hard to come by. All it takes is a little thought and a handful of AD.
When I geared up my GWF toon I had a 14k+ GS pretty fast, due to high con/HP. In GG I looked for a FD group, because without a T2 set etc. I woud have slowed a DK group down. I even declined a DK invitation explaining, that my GS does in no way reflect my actual gear.
AFTER gearing up I did DK with my GWF. You can go wherever you want, if you reach the min GS, should you do it? No. If you que for groupplay, you will have 4 teammates. Nobody wants to fail because his teammates are not up to the task, why should you be the exeption to the rule?
One of the above posts said, that good players should not do PuGs, if they dont want to get matched with lower geared players. If all 15k+ GS players woud heed your advice, the forums woud be overrun with complains about OP premades crushing poor PuGs. One or two good players give a PuG a fighting chance. Without them they are glory food.
I understand your frustration. For us who've been playing for a while it's all perfectly logical.
But imagine yourself a solo player who came here for the PvE connection to DnD. PvP is neither the main reason to play, nor particularly interesting at the moment. Now, you are competitive and will go for BiS you can afford. Not everybody is like that.
Some people -probably a lot of people- like to experiment before deciding what to buy. Personally I find practical lessons much more instructive than reading some build on the forums. Or some basic instructions on how to PvP. I want to experience it. I want to see how other people play my class (and learn why some builds work as they say on the forums) and what classes are my natural nemesea.
I learned more in 1 day of random PuG matches than the forums ever taught me about PvP, and more importantly, about the people who PvP. It was only then when I thought I could do better than most, and probably be killed by a lot. These odds were acceptable so I decided to invest in PvP. I'm not going to waste my time doing boring merry-go-rounds in GG for no reason. Until I know what I'm getting into and decided if I want to or not, I'm not wasting my time getting gear.
Yes, newbies can be "annoying" if you're all hyped up for a good match and you end up with 4 new guys. That's what you get when playing the same game with other people. Some are better than others, some are just trolls, some people are just curious. Welcome to MMO games. When that happens you can do either of 2 things: shrug it off and maybe talk to the newbie while sharing a pipe at the campfire (and maybe end up with a new friend) or go over the top flaming people for their curiosity. I prefer the former over the latter.
PS: you sound like you're about my age if you can still remember texed based "MMO"'s. Don't forget that,thanks to some bending of the law by Cryptic, this game is 13+. Not everybody's an adult in here. Where it's common sense for us to think ahead, 13-14 year olds do not.
Some fair points, but I still think that going into 60 PvP wearing gear I swapped out during levelling is bordering on criminal negligence.
I exclusively solo due to time constraints. My route into PvP in NW was for reasons of gear/relic/AD grinding and not from love of PvP - quite the opposite if anything. Then I got hooked. So I was experimenting when I first entered PvP but I took the time to do some basic planning ahead and spend a little AD on L60 blue gear I would need anyway for Sharandar/DR. It really doesn't seem to me to be too much to expect.
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Oh and overddrive, I also do not care about gs as long as my team mates show at least some signs of thinking, I do not think that yelling helps much however. Your team mates most likely don't even speak english. Or, they do as I do whenever I hear a tactical advice in a typical pvp language, which sounds like: "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING YOU ***ed ****TARDS! GO THERE AND DO THAT MORONS!!!!" and do the opposite just to HAMSTER you off more.
I will say this:
You can get 12K GS, with Rank 5s, in a week of invoking and doing dailies. You don't need to do any P2W. All you have to do is:
- invoke regularly
- do all AD dailies each day to reach refine cap. AD will be used to buy Rank 5 enchants and blue PvP gear/cheap epics
- do the quest for class artifact. Refine to blue
- get the free artifact. Make sure it's Waters of Elahzad, not anything else
- run Shar and DR for 1-2 boons. Use invocation 6/7 to get DR items.
But most important:
Talk to somebody that PvPs regularly from your class, or ask in forums for advice. You need to understand what is your role first.
That's all.
Coming with 8K GS is an open insult towards your teammates. Learn some respect.
Sometimes I am surprised, what low GS players can do for the team, if they bother to try. I get angry, if the 5-9k GS DC does not heal and the HR, TR or CW stay far away/ in stealth, to leech some kills, running around in packs to capture all the points, not bothering with defending or contesting them. I die, they die and then they stay on the base, yay to that.
IF a low GS player uses his buff/ debuff skills he can help his team. If he thinks, that he is the killing machine waiting to happen it is a free ride for the enemy team.
I often think ltp, if I see what other players do but it should go, teach to play cryptic. Give ppl some introduction to PvP and a hint how to gear up. If they would recommend the forum to fresh lvl 60 chars some mistakes woud not be made.
lol generalizations indicate a lack of thinking ("typical pvper's"), but your post did make me laugh in a way I think you intended. I start with "lets all please go to node 2, the middle node, to start." and progress to, "ok I am the only one who went to node 2 so we effectively gave the other team 2/3 of the match at the very start. Please fight on the actual nodes. Please. Thank you." to "fight on the nodes" to "fight on the **** nodes" to "this note is almost all blue and there are no enemies, nodes 2 and 3 are turning red, please go there where your needed" to "dammit fight on the nodes" to "ffs fight on the nodes, why do you people even enter a pvp match??" The language thing....when it is an all (insert non-english speaking nationality) team, I dont know what the heck they are saying but I still go to 2 first, I still dont rush to uncontested nodes my team is capping, and I still rush to nodes that the enemy is capping.
It is just common courtesy to not be absolutely horrible at something and make no effort what so ever. It is not a solo game. The other players should be taken into consideration.
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This is painfully true. So many times one gets yelled at when another is losing, for being "pay to win". Its like no, just make any kind of effort to win at all. There is an EPIC gap in effort that is reflected directly in the gs and skill gap.
Jugger Conq GF
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If you collect all the ADs that were given to you for free each day you logged in until the day you reached 60, that would be more than enough to buy blues that costs like what, 150? 200? AD a piece, and that would be enough to reach over 10k GS at least. You could log in and play the 4 games Rhix gives you, 1 the DomBat master gives you, and in a couple of months you'll be equipped with Profound level gear, even without high rank enchantments that would be enough to push you over 12k.
Entering a playing field with low GS is certainly not a sin, but not even tryin is.
You say that's what people get when they queue for PuG games. You're right. But the same applies to yourself as well. That response is what you get if you queue into a PvP match with that lazy HAMSTER of a gear.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
When you first enter Neverwinter, you can invoke around level 11, that will give you 1450 RAD. If you speed level via quest in 2 days without sleeping, you will have at least 1450 + 1000 AD without doing other dailies. Blue items is around 100 to 140 AD per piece, so you can buy 10 pieces without any serious problem, leaving your shirt and pants blank. Even you enter pvp the moment you reach level 60, it is possible to gear up yourself properly to reach 9k or 10k.
You don't even need rank 5, some rank 4s will do. PvP and play in the correct style will account you 4k AD, extra 4k more if you score a win. You have 8k AD now and at least 1k glory. Buy some pvp pots and some r5s now excluding 3 dark enchants. There you go, you are a welcomed-newbie-with-appropriate-gs, but you MUST listen to other commands, even they want you to suicide. I hate those who insult me for having 0 kills and tons of deaths AND didn't follow my instructions.
NEVER GO TO BLUE BASE when an enemy is trying to cap it, go to other red nodes instead. Always try to fight on node if the node is red and no allies on it, even you will die soon. In the beginning of the match, you follow the other 3 to mid, giving the most pro allies to cap your base, there is always a very good and fast backcapper in the enemy team to rush to your base and try killing everyone so pls just let the elite in your team to face him. Well, you got the hints and tips, you are an elite now but with low gs and lesser experience.
I don't think you can judge just based on GS alone, although greens and any non 60 gear should be a wtf moment.
I sell blues for ~100 AD each so I know there's no excuse for not having at least that level of quality.
All my AD (60kish) is from daily quests, putting blues on AH, and professions so I don't have much to work with, but where do I go from here? I have 14k glory which isn't much but could get a couple small upgrades. Is the skull worth it? I'm working on the waters and have it in the 40's. Also have a HR(should have kept the GWF) at 55, should finish 60 tomorrow so I can do the other artifact quest (you do need 2 60's to get it right?).
Magenubbie: Ok, yes, I see what you mean. THIS is what I was speaking against, this quote up above? That's what I was referring to. "I'm just here for the daily, I don't care if I'm any good." People who are 8k and clueless-but-learning I'll happily teach! People who are 8k, clueless, and don't care because they just need their 4 domination events for the daily...THAT is what makes me crazy. Or people who are there (in Domination runs) again and again in greens as they try to grind for PvP gear and get MAD at me when I suggest getting some blues from auctions to help them for now. I don't expect people to be rolling in AD, but the level 60 blues are generally 200 AD or /less/. It's not exactly going to break the bank to at LEAST get out of the level 50-odd greens they have on!
Also, I just realized that we've had a disagreement AND came to an understanding on a /forum/...is that allowed? I think we're supposed to have a flame war or something.
-liz
Low gs pugs like you are golden. With this kind of productive attitude you will be at 16k gs and stomping pvp in no time at all. The only thing you seem to be lacking is a guild/tight circle of friends. That can really help. Hit me up if you see me in game.
Jugger Conq GF
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You know about the queuing system you know how it works, why don't you take the 3 minutes it takes to form a party in PE and enter with that?
Do you like to be dispointed? do you test if they already ninja'd in a useful matchmaking system?
You know what CAN happen, you queue, and then you complain. I wonder why!
Yes, anyone who CAN enter PvP should do that with the toon and gear score he likes.
You know there are people out there who don't bother. You will meet them if you do not try to avoid them.
They do not mind to meet you, but you do mind to be grouped with them. So it is your duty to take steps to avoid them if they or their attitude offends you.
There is green level 60 gear in the game, if you were not allowed to use it it should be patched out of the system.
And just because you can make the 24k easily with leadership and salvaging a few purples, does not mean everyone else has AD in abundance.
One year ago I also tried to save my AD for something bigger, and spending it on cheap blues would have pushed my saving goal further away than necessary. So I only wore what was there.
Also, the AH screen tells me that the green ring in the AH is superior to the purple ring I am wearing atm, so there is some game mechanic not working at all, too, to consider!
"I see you have suboptimal gear for PvP. Let me help you out a bit. Come with me to the AH after the match, I think I can help you get good gear. It's only 1k AH, and I have many of those."
Strangely, this more or less happened to me in Corrupted Souls a long time back.
A stranger bought me my first blues, as I never bought anything on the AH, not knowing what is good or bad, bein new to the game.
And having developed the mentality that you don't buy gear, it drops anyway. And I was used to outlevel a gear faster than I can put it on.
So, a new 60, will certainly be careful what to buy, and due to lack of knowledge, be very careful when deciding what to buy.
And the mechanics in this game (e.g. dimishing returns) are hard to comprehend and not at all explained in the game.
So how can you blame someone for not spending his money before he knows what he really needs?
Everyone should be free to enter any content they are eligible for.
If you end up in a pug with 8k peeps in greens, and this makes you angry: that is not their fault for bringing greens to PvP, it is your fault for getting angry at this, and more pertinently, your fault for queueing for pug pvp.
Essentially, if you queue up for PvP on your own, you KNOW what kind of experiences you might get. If an 8k player offends you that much, stop queueing for pug pvp.
I am one of the ones that says it is not all about gear but about the desire to win. I like to pug when I get low gs people in my party who want to win. I love that, even if we lose. They tried and tried and probably did better than they previously thought they could. When we win it is the most fun gaming can offer. You see the entire losing team sitting atop the scoreboard BUT THEY LOST. The died less and killed more but they lost. Score one for the underdogs. That is good fun. The opposite is true when you have low gs people who dont even try. And sorry, if someone is 8k or less they arent trying. 8k is doable at level 50, at level 60 you pretty much stumble into it if you have been doing anything at all to actually improve your character along the way. Just a little more effort and thats 10k. After some grinding its 12, 14.
Jugger Conq GF
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I would never say that low gs people should be banned from pvp or that there should be gs requirement. I would say two things:
1. There should be q for pugs and a q for a ranked ladder.
2. Low gs/unwilling to win people are free to join pvp and I am free to make it suck for them if they screw me during the match by being stupid. Yes I know what kind of experience I am going to get. People who q without a clue should know they are going to have a bad experience also.
Jugger Conq GF
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If someone can not cope with the RNG that puts him together with strangers don't use the queue but form a pre-made according to your preference.
If you consider everyone not in all blues or purples a clueless person it shows your mindset and your acceptance of others.
Seriously?
Domination is a team game. Queueing with such patently inadequate gear means you have no respect for anyone you might be teamed with. Explain why I should in turn treat these people with the respect they so clearly lack for others?
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Today you want to flog him.
I don't like that attitude.
It shows that this game has a very large elite problem.
Simple.
And for the record, I only check GS if things start going south fast. Like if the entire team melts in a picosecond during the first battle or somesuch. This sometimes helps as if I know our GWF is wearing the equivalent of paper armour I know not to rely on him to hold point and instead rotate in to help him out.
I will always try and make the best of a bad situation but these players are often the first to AFK at the campfire as they realise they have no chance whatsoever.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
The information is not hard to come by. The gear is not hard to come by. All it takes is a little thought and a handful of AD.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
AFTER gearing up I did DK with my GWF. You can go wherever you want, if you reach the min GS, should you do it? No. If you que for groupplay, you will have 4 teammates. Nobody wants to fail because his teammates are not up to the task, why should you be the exeption to the rule?
One of the above posts said, that good players should not do PuGs, if they dont want to get matched with lower geared players. If all 15k+ GS players woud heed your advice, the forums woud be overrun with complains about OP premades crushing poor PuGs. One or two good players give a PuG a fighting chance. Without them they are glory food.
I exclusively solo due to time constraints. My route into PvP in NW was for reasons of gear/relic/AD grinding and not from love of PvP - quite the opposite if anything. Then I got hooked. So I was experimenting when I first entered PvP but I took the time to do some basic planning ahead and spend a little AD on L60 blue gear I would need anyway for Sharandar/DR. It really doesn't seem to me to be too much to expect.
Aelar Hawkwind - Archer
Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder