On a sidenote, what's up with the many CW's coming out of the woodworks wanting to facetank melee classes? It does not really make sense. Pyjama vs sword = the sword wins, end of the story.
Lol.
Greatest wizard eats armies of swords for breakfast!
magic wins, end of story!
- a destro GWF afraid that Unstoppable gonna be nerfed for PvP. Wait what? Destro in PvP. This is like going with PvE CW in PvP and saying "people kill me in my bad spec, but nerf them, I don't wanna change".
- a PvE GWF explaining his successes in PUG PvP with his wife's badly specced/geared toon (spec is on Youtube for anybody to see, and is a joke). That CW would not last 5 seconds against my properly specced and played PvP GWF.
- a former GF that complained about CWs being overpowered. Now he rolls a CW, and complains about CWs being undepowered
- last but not least, a person that thinks the meatball combo, for some unknown reason... is cheap
Should I go on?
CW was OP, prior to "TENACITY"! When Tenacity was implemented control can no longer be used as a defense component leaving CW with nothing for defense other than trying to dodge and run away...
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You both are missing the point! Most of us don't care if GWF are GODS, all we want is a way to fight them tactfully and have a modicum of a chance at being successful.
CW need are control back now these classes all have immunities, escapes, and deflections.
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
CW was OP, prior to "TENACITY"! When Tenacity was implemented control can no longer be used as a defense component leaving CW with nothing for defense other than trying to dodge and run away...
So as i see all your problem is around tenacity and not about the GWF ,the hole thread have no point ,and no goal .This title must be changed cuz its an offense aganst GWFs from CWs .
You all shoud start a new thread Called CW counter Tenacity!
Also i feel sorry for Control wizards they want they name back as GWF(cannot deal dmg any more after IWD) and Guardian Figther cannot guard protect others .
So as i see all your problem is around tenacity and not about the GWF ,the hole thread have no point ,and no goal .This title must be changed cuz its an offense aganst GWFs from CWs .
You all shoud start a new thread Called CW counter Tenacity!
They are in the same, Tenacity = No Counter to GWF
GWF having Unstoppable + Tenacity = Dead CW
CW needs counter to Unstoppable because Tenacity removed it.
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Really? Its seems to me they got buffs in every weekly patch...
with this buffs and new improved power gwf is still a lot weaker then before on dps also cw is geting huge buff with new power mostly if cw have 6-7k power and it is spellstorm cw it will get some 30% damage improvment and if perfect vorpal even more
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
edited April 2014
As i sayd before many times the key to win & counter is to debuff GWF soo much so actualy he dont have any dmr then y hit the win button ice knife. How need controll if you can kill it in 1 rotation ? Trust in others this is the counter .
I know nobody want to change they play style but each patch force us to change builds and skills even to buy multiple time retrain tokens. This affect all classes not yust CWs actualy this is the first time CWs need to rethink they build if they want to go more pvp based game style.
As i sayd before many times the key to win & counter is to debuff GWF soo much so actualy he dont have any dmr then y hit the win button ice knife. How need controll if you can kill it in 1 rotation ? Trust in others this is the counter .
I know nobody want to change they play style but each patch force us to change builds and skills even to buy multiple time retrain tokens. This affect all classes not yust CWs actualy this is the first time CWs need to rethink they build if they want to go more pvp based game style.
This is ridiculous! The only GWF I am killing in 1 rotation is one with a 8k GS with no tenacity and 20k hp
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I think they need to change how unstoppable works. Being in unstoppable should stop all CC effects being applied, however GWF shouldn't be allowed to activate unstoppable while CC'ed.
I think they need to change how unstoppable works. Being in unstoppable should stop all CC effects being applied, however GWF shouldn't be allowed to activate unstoppable while CC'ed.
no they dont if they do it gwf would be dead in few sec in mobs swarms u know it is not easy for melee class as is for ranged melee mobs have tons of prones and cc and huge hp while ranged die in sec and have no cc or cc resist
why would they change unstoppable ? because some cw want to own everyone in 1vs1 if they should balance game like this then gf need mega nerf since i cant easy own him 1on1 the best is to remove shiled from it ?or tr can stealth run from me then it should be the best to remove stealth from it to? and dc can give aoe shiled and i cant the best is to remove this skill from it ?or hr have range and dps as cw but cw should have the best range and dps ? and hr have more dodge then my cw should they remve dodge from hr so it cant dodge like i can?
your logic guys is flawed if some class have something it dose not mean u should have it to gwf got owned by good gf very easy and i do not see gwf players crying for nerf of gf on forums
no they dont if they do it gwf would be dead in few sec in mobs swarms u know it is not easy for melee class as is for ranged melee mobs have tons of prones and cc and huge hp while ranged die in sec and have no cc or cc resist
why would they change unstoppable ? because some cw want to own everyone in 1vs1 if they should balance game like this then gf need mega nerf since i cant easy own him 1on1 the best is to remove shiled from it ?or tr can stealth run from me then it should be the best to remove stealth from it to? and dc can give aoe shiled and i cant the best is to remove this skill from it ?or hr have range and dps as cw but cw should have the best range and dps ? and hr have more dodge then my cw should they remve dodge from hr so it cant dodge like i can?
your logic guys is flawed if some class have something it dose not mean u should have it to gwf got owned by good gf very easy and i do not see gwf players crying for nerf of gf on forums
This entire post is speculative foolishness! Nobody wants to POWN 1v1 we wont to have a chance though... Unstoppable is the greatest tab feature in the game Immune to CC, Faster attack speed, resist 50% damage~ Regenerate Hp I mean Really?
All we are asking for in this thread is for CW CC work, or CW be given a counter that can be used against it? I mean does anyone have trouble killing a CW other then a DC healer?
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Lol.
Greatest wizard eats armies of swords for breakfast!
magic wins, end of story!
CW was OP, prior to "TENACITY"! When Tenacity was implemented control can no longer be used as a defense component leaving CW with nothing for defense other than trying to dodge and run away...
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Really? Its seems to me they got buffs in every weekly patch...
and destro in pvp normaly die in matter of seconds
CW need are control back now these classes all have immunities, escapes, and deflections.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
So as i see all your problem is around tenacity and not about the GWF ,the hole thread have no point ,and no goal .This title must be changed cuz its an offense aganst GWFs from CWs .
You all shoud start a new thread Called CW counter Tenacity!
Also i feel sorry for Control wizards they want they name back as GWF(cannot deal dmg any more after IWD) and Guardian Figther cannot guard protect others .
They are in the same, Tenacity = No Counter to GWF
GWF having Unstoppable + Tenacity = Dead CW
CW needs counter to Unstoppable because Tenacity removed it.
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
with this buffs and new improved power gwf is still a lot weaker then before on dps also cw is geting huge buff with new power mostly if cw have 6-7k power and it is spellstorm cw it will get some 30% damage improvment and if perfect vorpal even more
I know nobody want to change they play style but each patch force us to change builds and skills even to buy multiple time retrain tokens. This affect all classes not yust CWs actualy this is the first time CWs need to rethink they build if they want to go more pvp based game style.
This is ridiculous! The only GWF I am killing in 1 rotation is one with a 8k GS with no tenacity and 20k hp
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
no they dont if they do it gwf would be dead in few sec in mobs swarms u know it is not easy for melee class as is for ranged melee mobs have tons of prones and cc and huge hp while ranged die in sec and have no cc or cc resist
why would they change unstoppable ? because some cw want to own everyone in 1vs1 if they should balance game like this then gf need mega nerf since i cant easy own him 1on1 the best is to remove shiled from it ?or tr can stealth run from me then it should be the best to remove stealth from it to? and dc can give aoe shiled and i cant the best is to remove this skill from it ?or hr have range and dps as cw but cw should have the best range and dps ? and hr have more dodge then my cw should they remve dodge from hr so it cant dodge like i can?
your logic guys is flawed if some class have something it dose not mean u should have it to gwf got owned by good gf very easy and i do not see gwf players crying for nerf of gf on forums
This entire post is speculative foolishness! Nobody wants to POWN 1v1 we wont to have a chance though... Unstoppable is the greatest tab feature in the game Immune to CC, Faster attack speed, resist 50% damage~ Regenerate Hp I mean Really?
All we are asking for in this thread is for CW CC work, or CW be given a counter that can be used against it? I mean does anyone have trouble killing a CW other then a DC healer?
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Once again!!!!!!1 What nerf request? Did you even read any of the thread?
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!