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Lillend - a safe way to get Lightfoot Thief?

pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
edited April 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
Could somebody confirm that if you beat an epic dungeon using a Lillend, you have a much increased chance of getting a Lightfoot Thief? I have noticed them being bought out from auction house rapidly (currently only 16 bids for a Lillend on AH). They're also quickly increasing in price.

Did somebody here get the Lightfoot Thief and was using a Lillend in boss battle?

If so, did they get more than one Lightfoot Thief this way? I mean is there a 1 Lightfoot Thief minimum because it's worth a lot and I don't know if it's better to sell it for a small AD fortune (I've heard some sold it for 8+ mil AD) and try to get another, or to keep it and get heaps of extra damage (how much damage exactly is it? I've read somewhere that if it's upgraded to epic it gives a x5 stack instead of 3).
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Unlikely...
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited April 2014
    There's always going to be rumors like these, usually if it's too good to be true, then it probably is.
  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    There is about a 99% chance that lillend's have no effect on drops from SCW.

    As far as lillend's increasing in price. That is to be expected since the event where lillend drops is no longer running so no new lillends are dropping.

    Edit: You asked about how much damage the lightfoot thief's active bonus. At level 60 it does 68 damage per tick with a blue quality thief and 114 damage per tick with a purple quality. But it looks like that will changing with mod 3. I noticed currently on the preview server it is affected by damage resistance while currently on live it isn't.
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    dardove wrote: »
    There is about a 99% chance that lillend's have no effect on drops from SCW.

    As far as lillend's increasing in price. That is to be expected since the event where lillend drops is no longer running so no new lillends are dropping.

    Edit: You asked about how much damage the lightfoot thief's active bonus. At level 60 it does 68 damage per tick with a blue quality thief and 114 damage per tick with a purple quality. But it looks like that will changing with mod 3. I noticed currently on the preview server it is affected by damage resistance while currently on live it isn't.

    Ah, thank you for the info. So basically it's a huge DPS boost, especially in long dungeons, like Castle Never?
  • nameexpirednameexpired Member Posts: 1,282 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    As I still have 3 Lillends I can sell I certainly can confirm that, using my uniquely trained but well rested Lillend healer companions, you have a 300% increased chance to get a Lightfoot Thief in the SCA.
    If you use all 3 of my Lillend healer companions that is a 900% increase, which is nearly equal to a nearly certain drop of the Lightfoot thief. He is just around the corner!

    Contact me in game via mail for trade arrangements, but in order to even consider reading your mail it is advised to attach to your mail a full set of HV armor.

    Looking forward to trade with you!
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  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    So 300% increase would make that a 3% chance to get a lightfoot thief?
  • demidogzdemidogz Member Posts: 259 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    As I still have 3 Lillends I can sell I certainly can confirm that, using my uniquely trained but well rested Lillend healer companions, you have a 300% increased chance to get a Lightfoot Thief in the SCA.
    If you use all 3 of my Lillend healer companions that is a 900% increase, which is nearly equal to a nearly certain drop of the Lightfoot thief. He is just around the corner!

    Contact me in game via mail for trade arrangements, but in order to even consider reading your mail it is advised to attach to your mail a full set of HV armor.

    Looking forward to trade with you!

    I believe you, really.
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    Did anyone get lightfoot thief to drop from boss when they used Lillend (or knows someone who has)? Or get lightfoot thief to drop more than once?
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    pyciorek wrote: »
    Did anyone get lightfoot thief to drop from boss when they used Lillend (or knows someone who has)? Or get lightfoot thief to drop more than once?

    The thing is when you're asking questions like that, there may someone who does and it's just a coincidence. Lillends also see, around the same price to me.
  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    It's a rumour. Just like "Refilling companion's stamina with zen increases the drop chance of the companion" -_ -

    The only thing that matters is luck. I wish I could see a screenie with the companion's drop though...
  • nameexpirednameexpired Member Posts: 1,282 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    pyciorek wrote: »
    So 300% increase would make that a 3% chance to get a lightfoot thief?
    ... and where is it written that there is a 1% chance for the lightfoot thief? Or are you trying to sell to me some dubious speculation as fact? Some say-so?

    Certainly those trained in the art of mathematics might have an advantage. But then again, knowing thy rules for calculation does not necessarily give you an advantage in people!
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  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    I've read somewhere that the chance to get Lightfoot Thief is 1%. If a Lillend increases that chance by 300% it's 4% (1% + 3%) or if it's a 300% chance of what it would be with other companions, it's 3%.

    This is not an official information, though.
  • onecoolscatcatonecoolscatcat Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    In my case it took a few hundred SC runs before getting a lightfoot thief. 1% drop rate is generous IMO.
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    In my case it took a few hundred SC runs before getting a lightfoot thief. 1% drop rate is generous IMO.

    Did you use Lillend in boss battle?
  • onecoolscatcatonecoolscatcat Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    No. I don't equip Lillends. My go-to team is:

    Slyph
    Ioun Stone of Allure
    Wererat Thief
    Panther

    all at lvl 30.
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    Did you get more then one Lightfoot thief or are they limited?
  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    pyciorek wrote: »
    Did you get more then one Lightfoot thief or are they limited?

    You can get it more than once, but given the low droprate it is going to take a while.
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    dardove wrote: »
    You can get it more than once, but given the low droprate it is going to take a while.

    Thanks for the info, man!
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited April 2014
    . . . Cryptic has never released drop percentages for anything. All Neverwinter-related percentages on the internet pertaining to drop rates are all conjecture, based upon individual tests and data and as such, all resulted chance percentages only pertain to the individual at hand.


  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    zebular wrote: »
    . . . Cryptic has never released drop percentages for anything. All Neverwinter-related percentages on the internet pertaining to drop rates are all conjecture, based upon individual tests and data and as such, all resulted chance percentages only pertain to the individual at hand.



    I wish they did. Vagueness in this game is one thing I don't like. And when they sell keys/boosters and you have no idea what the odds of getting anything is. I find it a little deceptive as theoretically they could have the epic/legendary items drop in 1 in a million and they still claim that it drops and people will still buy them not knowing the chances they have and so make more money than they should. Of course it's not 1 in a million chances, but it's the principle that it could happen and we wouldn't really know about it. The same goes for in game drop rates that can make things a little more frustrating than they could be.

    With the bad rng 1% can still take multiple hundreds of runs to get it, of course that doesn't mean it could be less or that we would find out. Kind of glad I didn't invest too much time into SCA though.
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    Some time ago I tested what the classic "you have a chance to" means regarding Evoker's Ruin. A full set of Dread Legion armor gives a chance to invoke Evoker's Ruin that deals damage to attacked enemy for 10 seconds and it can also go AoE. Basically an extra encounter power that ticks automatically. But what chance are we talking about? My wizard kept attacking groups of cyclopses in Sharandar and I observed how often Evokers Ruin ticked. 2/3 of the groups were affected by either Evoker's Ruin or Ruinous Burst. So in that case that chance was rather high.

    So what's the chance to get a Lightfoot Thief? From what many people in this forum said it's extremely low (some say it's 1%). If a Lillend increaces that chance it means that you won't have to try hard to get a companion that adds loads of damage and is currently priced for ~8 million AD on auction house. It's obvious that if someone used Lillend to get Lightfoot Thief easy will try to deny that it works because it would ruin their business. Is there a mod here that could confirm the odds of getting a Lightfoot Thief with a Lillend? Are they much higher that with using other companions or is it because it's a Leader companion and that gives Lillend a boost to get better loot?
  • nameexpirednameexpired Member Posts: 1,282 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I am not sure how many of the participants of this tread deleted their BiS character to make a place available for the dragon race that was available at the beginning of this month.

    Nevertheless, would like to buy my highly motivated Lillend companions be sure to stick to the rules I described on page 1 of this thread.
    Imaginary Friends are the best friends you can have!
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    ^Another thing I don't like. When chances to do something aren't specified. When it's part of a set bonus it's kind of important information to it's viability.

    Anyway people who say it's 1% are really just guessing since being a rare drop they don't see it as being any higher and 1 is a nice round number, although it could be lower. I'd drop the lillend chance increase rate. With a no higher than 1% drop rate it's going to be hard to get the numbers to prove that, and the fact that lillend is rare makes it even harder. It's either a rumour made out of ill informed pattern making or a rumour to trick the gullible (which can be fun :D). Logically there's no reason why a lillend would increase the drop rate, it just doesn't make sense. You really need to be more sceptical if you don't want to be taken advantage of in life though. The reason why lightfoot theifs cost so much is because they're so rare to get. If the lillend made it easier to get like you hope for, it probably wouldn't cost as much...
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    Okay, my Lillend is lvl 30. One of 3 epic companion my wizard has atm. I'm gonna take a shot at Sword Coast. If you see a Lightfoot Thief on AH posted by @pyciorek, you'll know it works. :P
  • dardovedardove Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    pyciorek wrote: »
    Okay, my Lillend is lvl 30. One of 3 epic companion my wizard has atm. I'm gonna take a shot at Sword Coast. If you see a Lightfoot Thief on AH posted by @pyciorek, you'll know it works. :P

    No, if you happen to get one, it could be just because you got one. Not because of some BS rumor about lillends increasing droprate on thieves.
  • kattefjaeskattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter
    edited April 2014
    pyciorek wrote: »
    Okay, my Lillend is lvl 30. One of 3 epic companion my wizard has atm. I'm gonna take a shot at Sword Coast. If you see a Lightfoot Thief on AH posted by @pyciorek, you'll know it works. :P

    No you won't, you'll see that superstition isn't the exclusive preserve of major world religions.

    I heard that if you have two different ioun stones, one called "Jake" and one called "Elwood", and you play SCA wearing shades, that you have an increased chance for the Lightfoot Thief to drop.
  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    pyciorek wrote: »
    Okay, my Lillend is lvl 30. One of 3 epic companion my wizard has atm. I'm gonna take a shot at Sword Coast. If you see a Lightfoot Thief on AH posted by @pyciorek, you'll know it works. :P

    Lets say 100 people have lillend and the lightfoot was 1% drop rate. It's reasonably likely that one of them will get it on the first run anyway. You're just a statistic and it takes a lot of numbers to get any real idea of drop rates. Numbers that are hard for a single player to gather. Superstition is just based on coincidences people have falsely made.
  • angryspriteangrysprite Member Posts: 4,982 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lillend is really awesome in SCA (lots of magic dice) - which helps exponentially in surfing and beating tier six in SCA, but beyond that, I'm sure it has no effect beyond other companions in SCA. Though I do believe it's among the best ones to have (SCA-wise).
  • pyciorekpyciorek Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2014
    What I did notice so far is that Lillend has an amazing crit chance for power dice. Maybe there's something about leader companions that increases crit rolls - if getting a Lightfoot Thief is determined by a roll, and a Lillend gives a nice chance for that as well, then I guess it wont hurt putting Lillend against epic bosses in Sword Coast Adventures and check if the Lightfoot Thief drops.

    The hard part is to get to that boss with only 3 epic companions. :/
  • silence1xsilence1x Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    You could always play a Tier 6 dungeon on the Sword Coast Gateway. One of the "prizes" for completing it is a Lightfoot Thief.
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