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Module 3: Curse of Icewind Dale is a PvP expansion?
shapriukas
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So following news I understand that this module is for PvP. How I supose to play this game if I want just PvE? I can't support (to buy) this game for next module because is nothing for me. Why they can't make to same maps for PvP and PvE?
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I also hope either a new race, or new class will be introduced. As one should be every module.
I just wonder if there are any other PvP sets are comming...keeping my SoT with me for now
WTB Class Reroll please
Well every other permanent stat upgrade is gated behind PvE content... just because you're a majority does not mean PvP players should have to do PvE for EVERYTHING. Forcing a PvP player to PvE is just as bad as the reverse, or nearly anyways.
As I'm reading it, offering "both pve and pvp contents" probably means that pvp is opt-in rather than forced. Cryptic won't risk to force people to pvp in a pve-designed game, especially with the current state of class unbalancing.
I wouldn't worry that much. I feel most content is pve based, aside from some special quests that will somehow temporarily "flag" you as a member of a faction and allow pvp.
D&D is pve game and hope they wont ever change neverwinter in another pvp focused game
it is a pve game, it was designed as pve co-op from way before even beta. pvp was slapped on. you do have GG, and 2 maps, more than enough IMO.
there needs to be much, much more PVE content.
and, so far, the ONLY thing we know, is PVP, PVP open world (instance, or wuteva). PWE has only mentioned lightly pve, and heavy pvp by the way i read it.
if, it is heavy focused pvp, i am out of here. if i wanted pvp; i would go play a PVP GAME.
pvp does not belong mixed with pve, there has not been a game that succeeds in acomplishing it, the reason, 2 different play styles, 2 different motivations, 2 different goals, and last, balance, you balance for pvp, and screw over pve TIME AND AGAIN, in every game.
separate them, and hire different developers for pvp. let them do there own thing and leave pve for pve.
that's my 2 cents, can i get change for that?
i agree new zones should have been pure pve but how much i read what they posted both new zones are pvp unlocked ;( i still hope we will be able to chose to play in pvp unlcoked and pve only version i do not see point of feeding pve players to pvp trolls being forced to play in pvp unlcoked zone to progress pve is just bad
1) mod3 has already been (mostly) completed, they won't go back and redesign it from scratch, so there's little we can do to influence the big picture
2) mod3 should be on preview soon, let's wait and check what happens
Another thing is that many of the PvP players are the ones spending the most money on this game. In PvE you aren't going to need max artifacts, full rank 9-10s, perfect weapon/armor enchants, where in PvP it makes a much more significant difference when you have these. A lot of PvP players are willing to pay for these kinds of things if it means significantly less time spent grinding away at PvE. Also, people who play the game for PvE are likely to end up more wealthy than those who PvP just based on the reward system between the two in this game and the fact that PvE players generally don't mind grinding as much. This means PvE players will have less need to spend money to get things they want and be more willing to grind for it rather than pay.
This game is developing fast and there has been lots of PvE content added since release, but PvP hasn't gotten much attention. I don't understand why there is so much venom for taking notice of the large PvP community for this one (of many updates) despite the fact that the common perception is the PvE community is larger. I + many others play the game for purely PvP content and wouldn't stick around if PvP wasn't getting this recent attention. Since people tend to think the PvP system is lacking, this will also draw in more PvP oriented gamers, but that doesn't mean the game will completely lose its PvE focus. It just means after many PvE updates they decided to use one to expand the game's capabilities to appeal to a wider audience and maintain/create a larger player base.
D&D is not balanced for PVP. That's mostly why D&D based games are PvE games. In PvP games, like DOTA-clones, characters are built ground-up with balance in mind and with no constraints. In D&D classes have very specific perks, if you mess with them people will get upset, grab pitchforks and torch buildings on their way to Cryptic/PWE headquarters.
This. In the 15 or so years my spouse and I have been playing MMOs, we have seen easily over a hundred games come (and many of those go), we've tried dozens of them (hate to admit), and rarely if ever does any game get both PVE and PVP right. I don't know what makes the creators of this game, think they are going to succeed where everyone else has failed, because there's nothing substantially different here than we've seen many times before - and they already have a poor track record of managing and balancing both models. The more you enhance one model, the more the other suffers. And then nobody really wants to play either style.
Like many, I'm here for the PVE. And not interested in all in PVP in this game, at all. There's nothing that would make me change that. I play other games when I want to pit myself against other players that are designed entirely for that purpose.
You can go better then that. You don't even have to use D&D. Simply look at ANY Cryptic game to see PVP has NEVER been a central focus to them. Unless someone honestly feels the vast desolate emptiness that is STO and CO PVP is simply the result of unintended flukes.
I can even remember one certain developer (not giving any names), openly stating that PvP has no place , at all in mmorpg's (CO, in this particular case).
Luckily NW seems to be going down a different road, at least for now.
Did you even read the Module 3 announcement ? there is some pvp but there is also a nice amount of pve stuff , I doubt they will force players to pvp who don't want to , it all comes down to how they have decided to separate the pvp and pve since they both use the same maps , it is hopefully going to be patched onto the preview server this week so not long before we can find out but to be honest I wouldn't worry about it.
We know for a fact that it will have both PVE and PVP content, how much of each one we won't know untill the devs give out more info.
This is primarily a PVE game. Although I like the idea of a PVP-focused module being primarily a PVP player nowadays, I understand the argument that every vital boon shouldn't be gated exclusively through PVP
Yep. If you don't focus on one model, chances are that you will break both. Or at best, have mildly uninteresting content that doesn't really appeal to anyone, because most people who like pvp will look for proper pvp games, and those who want a coop pve experience will look for games with solid pve content as well.
While I understand your concern I find it Ok to give the PvP community more playground. And honestly I'd like to fight regular PvP matches more than doing repeatedly the same quests over and over again. A PvP match is always different and alot more challenging.
IMO its ok to get certain boons only by PvP.
- Dualspec
- Better rewarding foundry and foundry pvp maps
- Custom PvP leagues with leaderboards instead of the current 'matchmaking'.
- Armory
- make jumping cost stamina (to reduce hopping in pvp)
Then there was Star Trek Online, another Cryptic game, where a dev stated that they could remove PvP completely from the game and it wouldn't have a major effect on the game.
I hope those are PvP focused (+tenacity, %chance to penetrate tenacity, effects that proc only against other players and such). Another "Blood Crystal Raven Skull" would force even more disgruntled PvE people into pvp...
News flash: this is a PVE-focused game
If you wanted a game where all you did was PVP, go play Call of Duty
This is not true. I have found games that equally incorporate systems involving both PvE and PvP. One in particular that even was PvE focused but still spent time on PvP with a large PvP base much like neverwinter. The game is still going strong and has been around for many years as a popular mmorpg. The reason Neverwinter is developing this content is because they have seen a significant portion of the population spending their time/money on PvP. People, like myself, enjoy this game's pvp. We aren't out like you say "looking for proper pvp games". If that were the case the PvP player base wouldn't be large enough for them to want to focus some on PvP. Neverwinter PvP may not be perfect now, but its fun and we have seen it getting attention it needs to help balance it out. Things like the recent updates involving new gears/tenacity do not even impact PvE experience. Perhaps this is the direction they will be taking with regards to PvP balance from now on, in which case you wouldn't need to worry about "breaking" the models either. Also, I know many people who enjoy both aspects of PvE + PvP in their games and get involved in both. There is no reason why a game is required to be defined as purely PvE or purely PvP.