Unstoppable itself is worth 50% damage reduction. Most GWFs that have any consideration for PvP checks in at +30k HP at the least. Let's assume the GWF is a weaky weak one, fresh lv60 with lot's of blues and merely 23K HP. Even at that state, not taking any other forms of extra defense into consideration, to 1-shot a 23k GWF in Unstoppable requires a crit LB that lands a default 46k damage. That amount of crit simply does not happen in PvP since mod2.
Do you want the folks in this thread to take you seriously? Then stop talking out of your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
Did you sell your grasping roots to vendor or something?
Which is relevant to this discussion.. how..? Were we talking about ITC/perma TR-defense mechanisms?
That's weird, because I thought we were talking about Fox's Shift and how seemingly its damage seems a tad too high, until you started spewing bogus claims on how TRs one-shot GFs and GWFs with LB.
Make up your mind, geez.
HR's tote a number of CCs which are potent, and some even simply bugged. They have the initial advantage of distance which even the GWF in Unstoppable is denied in its attempt to close in, as well as around 4~5 dodges which, when timed well, simply blows off enemy encounter powers to thin air regardless of distance. Even if some do succeed in closing in, it is simply a matter of "dodge-apply constricting arrow-dodge-apply grasping roots-Fox's Shift-dodge or shift backwards 50 feet" and then start shooting.
Ofcourse, that's just how the class is built, and nobody is saying that's OP or anything. (Well, some very ill-versed people are claiming that it is, but nobody seriously believes HRs do 50 dodges) It's simply a matter of overall balance in which, considering the whole wide range of CCs HRs throw around, a single-cast encounter with merely 15sec recharge that lands average higher than 8~9k damage seems a bit overboard, especially when the power is a very, very easy to hit melee.. coming from an essentially ranged class.
Please.
Your very mention of a "1 shot LB" pretty much defines your level of understanding in regards to the current meta of the game. You're speaking of a dead-and-gone, extinct method of TR tactics that simply doesn't happen anymore. The only possible/rational explanation is that;
(1) You are very lacking in both gameplay AND gear/equipment level
(2) You met an out-dated TR build (that noboy uses anymore) which ramps up every stat to one big LB hit
(3) And got 1-shot killed by a TR that has zero survivability.
...and we're supposed to take you seriously? :rolleyes:
I get it. You haven't played pvp lately.
1)rogues are STILL using Lashing Blade. Get out of your last year coma.
2)I really don't think youre reading. Are you 5? I explained how Constricting Arrow works, almost word for word from its tooltip.
3)Every time I bring up the fact that you have to work a Fox's Shift in tandem with other encounters, you're STILL bringing up the fact that rangers have to pull off a combo to disengage from their target. You've basically been arguing for me.
4)I brought up the permastealth/ITC, because that's something rogues can do to negate the necessity to worry in the first place. Gwfs are the only other class that can not worry like that.
5)Not only do you not grasp ranger and rogue mechanics, you're not understanding gwfs either. They have several levels of damage reduction, based on WHEN they activated Unstoppable.
6)FOR THE FINAL TIME, you keep going on the schtick about games of "above average" pvp. I've been talking this entire time about AVERAGE pvp. The AVERAGE gwf or gf i see sports from 27 to low 30k's, whereas cw's, hr's, tr's sport in mid 20's, unless they sport full pvp gear/ going tenebrous(then again, that's above average).
So, what do I get from observing your lack of reasoning/inexperienced assumptions?
1)you've ONLY played in premade against premade, and never everyday pvp
2)you've NEVER used anything besides a rogue
3)you want to throw a tantrum that something's better than you
4)you bought your gear straight out, and started with premade. Because the average rogue STILL uses Lashing Blade.
Should anyone really take YOU seriously?! I've both had good and bad discussions with people in forums, but only 2 who whine, but without understanding the mechanics of what they're whining at. In all the time I've played since beta, you're #2. Congrats!
I hear "learn to play" all the time, but it seems to me that it should be defined as "my class is balanced, except when others beat it, then THAT class is OP"...
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I get it. You haven't played pvp lately.
1)rogues are STILL using Lashing Blade. Get out of your last year coma.
2)I really don't think youre reading. Are you 5? I explained how Constricting Arrow works, almost word for word from its tooltip.
3)Every time I bring up the fact that you have to work a Fox's Shift in tandem with other encounters, you're STILL bringing up the fact that rangers have to pull off a combo to disengage from their target. You've basically been arguing for me.
4)I brought up the permastealth/ITC, because that's something rogues can do to negate the necessity to worry in the first place. Gwfs are the only other class that can not worry like that.
5)Not only do you not grasp ranger and rogue mechanics, you're not understanding gwfs either. They have several levels of damage reduction, based on WHEN they activated Unstoppable.
6)FOR THE FINAL TIME, you keep going on the schtick about games of "above average" pvp. I've been talking this entire time about AVERAGE pvp. The AVERAGE gwf or gf i see sports from 27 to low 30k's, whereas cw's, hr's, tr's sport in mid 20's, unless they sport full pvp gear/ going tenebrous(then again, that's above average).
So, what do I get from observing your lack of reasoning/inexperienced assumptions?
1)you've ONLY played in premade against premade, and never everyday pvp
2)you've NEVER used anything besides a rogue
3)you want to throw a tantrum that something's better than you
4)you bought your gear straight out, and started with premade. Because the average rogue STILL uses Lashing Blade.
Should anyone really take YOU seriously?! I've both had good and bad discussions with people in forums, but only 2 who whine, but without understanding the mechanics of what they're whining at. In all the time I've played since beta, you're #2. Congrats!