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godlysoul
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First of all, I was never really sure why Halflings became popular in the first place because it is shown that the skill disciple of strength gives a raw 6% damage boost that other stealth builds cannot take due to it being a final feat in the tree along with 5/5 stealth duration. Either way, comparing the two:
Human:
+6% Damage
+3% Defense
Halfling:
+2 DEX (Could equate to slightly less than 2% damage with P.Vorpal, less using other enchants)
+3% Deflect (It has been shown with even 100% deflect severity, deflect is still not as strong mitigation as defense, but for the purposes of this, lets call it equivalent to ~2% defense)
+10% CC Resist
Now, unless that 10% CC resist is fantastic, I do not see the logic in rolling a Halfling instead of a Human. It could be argued that the +3% dmg resist from human may not provide any bonus if the opponent has more arm pen than your % resist. However, comparing Human to Halfling without this still shows Halfing with a +2% damage reduce and +2% damage increase compared to Human +6% damage bonus. So ultimately I suppose it would come down to either taking 10% CC resist or 2% damage. Personally, for me the 10% resist isn't noticeable, and if you are playing a stealth build, you are going to use damage increase much more than CC reduction.
Either way, with the addition of tenacity, it would seem very difficult for an opponent to make the +3% defense bonus not applicable.
Thoughts?
Human:
+6% Damage
+3% Defense
Halfling:
+2 DEX (Could equate to slightly less than 2% damage with P.Vorpal, less using other enchants)
+3% Deflect (It has been shown with even 100% deflect severity, deflect is still not as strong mitigation as defense, but for the purposes of this, lets call it equivalent to ~2% defense)
+10% CC Resist
Now, unless that 10% CC resist is fantastic, I do not see the logic in rolling a Halfling instead of a Human. It could be argued that the +3% dmg resist from human may not provide any bonus if the opponent has more arm pen than your % resist. However, comparing Human to Halfling without this still shows Halfing with a +2% damage reduce and +2% damage increase compared to Human +6% damage bonus. So ultimately I suppose it would come down to either taking 10% CC resist or 2% damage. Personally, for me the 10% resist isn't noticeable, and if you are playing a stealth build, you are going to use damage increase much more than CC reduction.
Either way, with the addition of tenacity, it would seem very difficult for an opponent to make the +3% defense bonus not applicable.
Thoughts?
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That's just the way I see it, though.
Nope, its settled. Half Orc and non-hp rolls are definitely secretly the best.
I've figured it out. And they thought I wouldn't notice....
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I mean, TRs have (for some reason as a non-direct fighter class) 75% Deflection Severity. And getting free 3% Deflection Chance seems like a good bonus to me. IF you wanna build more defensive.
If you wanna be more offensive with either 6% more overall damage or, synergizing well with something like a permastealth build, 9% more damage with at-wills, Human is the way to go.
Just saying.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Lets say every attack deal to you 3k damage on average. Lets say for testing, you are hit by 100 attacks.
Effect of adding +3% deflect at 100% deflect severity means you wil get hit for 97 of the attacks:
(3000)*(97) = 291,000 overall damage taken
Effect of adding +3% damage resistance means you will reduce each hit by .03 damage (or only take 97% of the damage):
(100)*[(3000)*.97] = 291,000 overall damage taken
Sorry, I guess I misspoke. Delfect only starts becoming as effective as damage resist if it were to reach 100% deflect severity. Then again, this is only in the circumstance that your damage resistance is not being mitigated though, as deflect cannot be mitigated.
But as you say in your last part - Defense can be pierced by Armor Penetration. Deflect can not.
I think that stacking Defense on classes like CWs or TRs isn't worth it, because most PvPers have enough ArP to pierce through it, anyways. Except you stack it really high - which has to trade off with other stats (might be different with only Rank 9/10s).
So purely from the defensive comparison of Human and Halfling, the Deflect Chance wins for me. But I guess that's just preference.
How did you come up with 3% damage resistance? Its just 3% more defense. The higher defense the stronger diminishing formula kicks in. Let's say you have 2500 defense which gives you 19.8% DR. Increasing it by 3% results in 2575 defense which gives you 20.191% DR (lets say 20.2%). That means your DR increased from 19.8% to 20.2% = thats just 0.4% DR - and it will be smaller the more defense you have.
However, the most important thing is:
ANY PvP build will reduce ANY TR DR to very low values, unless you stack defense to the point its way beyond its effective. Any character that has built in resistance ignored (like CON for GWF) will always reduce your DR to 0 and most deadly TR counters have built in resistance ignored.
Actually not, Im halfling and thats how I understand the +3% more defense stat judging by its name. I will check it when Im at home, since I dont have any human character yet
But let's face it: the tooltips in Neverwinter aren't the most reliable / accurate ones...
This was clarified by Keltz0r in the second post. However, the example I was posting was merely for the fact of describing why damage resist is more powerful than deflect if unmitigated.
I did re-check it last night though on a new character. It is +3% defense rather than DR.
I am just always too lazy to update my posts, but if people are going to blindly follow an initial thread without reading the feedback, that's their choice lol.
Yes, but not in PvP very often.
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