5 man pvp point trading

dndmasterdark

In my opinion:

When players are asking the opposing team to go cap so they get more honor or if my teammates start telling me to let them cap so we get more points isnt this kinda cheap and abusing the system to just get more rewards? Does not seem right to talk to the opposing team and let them cap so they get more points (which more honor right? )
To fix this maybe disable zone chat in pvp? This almost borders on exploiting the system to me.
Like... I am not in pvp to trade ANYTHING with the enemy, I'm there to kill them and protect the nodes, not give them away to abuse the point system. The more nodes we have the faster the round goes thus I can move on to another match...which is more points.
What changes could be made to fix this? or is this something that is OK with most people?

Your thoughts?

stalesmoke

It is annoying as hell when people want to "trade" nodes. Ocassionally I do just because im semi afk. But I am here to kill people, I could give a **** less about earning more glory, and im not fully decked out.

But disabling chat is not the answer, better matches is the answer.

shadow5930

When it's 5v3, then yeah, i'll let them cap a point so they didn't just waste 15 mins and got nothing from it. I want to enjoy PVP, not waste my time and I have respect for others that they want to do the same thing.

If it's me and a few guildies vs a pug that got smushed at 2? I'll say to let them have 3. It gives them that feel that they may be able to keep fighting and it extends the match. If you go OMGPREMADESMASH!!!! on another team all the time, then they all leave and you have to leave to try and find another match. That's no fun for either side.

Is it exploiting? Meh. I don't think so. There's nothing in the rules that say this is wrong. Is the idea to PVP? Sure.. but everyone had to start somewhere and having enough sportsmanship to let others earn stuff like you did doesn't seem bad to me.

dkcandy

Win Trading is BS. I know of people doing 10 man premades farming glory with trading nodes back and forth for 10 minutes to end match to get as much glory as possible. Complete BS.

degraafination

dkcandy wrote: »

Win Trading is BS. I know of people doing 10 man premades farming glory with trading nodes back and forth for 10 minutes to end match to get as much glory as possible. Complete BS.

Definitely cheap, for sure, but I cannot blame them. Cryptic puts out an Artifact that can only be bought through Glory? So it goes. Not only that, but using that Artifact can also level any "Power" Artifact for x2 its RP worth.

beckylunatic

Ok, I see where you're coming from if it's just laziness.

But allowing the one guy who didn't bail to cap enough points for a qualifying score? That's courtesy.

If people are going to gripe and groan about penalizing people who leave, then maybe treat the ones who don't even when severely outmatched with some decency.

Edit: On reflection, I think the OP is referring to full 5 on 5 cap trading, which... yeah, no reason for that. Disabling chat though would make it harder for someone's whose team bailed to ask for a 1v1 or anything like that. Not ideal.

kaylos29

beckylunatic wrote: »

Ok, I see where you're coming from if it's just laziness.

But allowing the one guy who didn't bail to cap enough points for a qualifying score? That's courtesy.

If people are going to gripe and groan about penalizing people who leave, then maybe treat the ones who don't even when severely outmatched with some decency.

I won't trade caps at the start of a game. But once my team has the game clearly in hand and most of the other team quit or it sitting at the campfire because we drove them there, I have no issue throwing them a bone. At that point, they stuck it out as long as they could and gave it a shot, I have no issue swapping a cap with them so they can get some glory for their effort and time. But never from the start of a match or if someone requests it at the start from their team or ours.

I want to encourage people to come back to PvP and show them that there are those of us that keep it classy.

trapublican

I refuse to ever let anyone trade cap. Too many people expect to just get easy handouts, if you're not good enough to cap a point then that's just too bad take your piddly amount of glory and begone. If your teammates quit on you then it's obvious you were a bad group so you don't deserve to be rewarded.

dndmasterdark

Courtesy to the enemy in pvp? Now I think i've heard it all *rolls eyes*
I just joined a match and the first thing the opposing team said was "no kills, just cap" This guy expects everyone to just run around ignoring each other and get nodes for points. That is NOT pvp. Maybe get rid of points completely for initially getting a node and give them a damage buff instead for owning one. That should fix the issue.
The more that say disabling zone chat in a pvp 5 man arena the more I think it should be done. No offense!
All I hear anyways is argueing, swearing, harrassment and 1v1? Really 1v1 in a 5 man match? What is it your trying to do boost your ego or something, I do not get that one.

Just my opinion!

P.S. I still do not understand why I am hearing zone chat from other matches, clearly these people that are speaking are nowhere to be seen in my match. It is just wierd.

utuwer

When a match becomes 5 v 3 or less, it is practically over. There are some few options you can do:
- Leave the match, waste all your afford, and hope the next match would be better.
- Ask for 1v1.
- Re-spawn camping and taunting the poor team.
- Simply AFK.
- Trading nodes.

Among all of those options, trading nodes is a win-win option, winners get a little bit more glory, and the losers get some minimum reward. As for those, who just want to finish their daily, they could finish it faster and get less frustrated.

I am not saying it is a legit way to play but, for the current state of PvP, it seems to be the best option.

j0shi82

Due to my observations I think cap trading does not maximize glory/minute. It's pretty much useless in _most_ situations. I would try to get the match over as soon as possible.

rishzoth

SWTOR: Ilum

beckylunatic

dndmasterdark wrote: »

P.S. I still do not understand why I am hearing zone chat from other matches, clearly these people that are speaking are nowhere to be seen in my match. It is just wierd.

The zone you are in is Rivenscar Ruins/Hotenow Domination. Each of these has instances, same as every other game zone. Using the channel Zone, your chat will be visible to everyone in every PvP instance. Using Say will just be in your instance (so if you need to talk to the other team...). It confused me when I played my first few matches, but it makes sense when taken in context of the game's chat system.

What's really weird is when someone in some other party starts talking in Zone chat in a dungeon.

utuwer

j0shi82 wrote: »

Due to my observations cap trading does not maximize glory/minute. It's pretty much useless in _most_ situations.

No, but it would guarantee the minimum rewards.

I have been many matches that winning team get no reward since the other team simply quit after the 1st encounter.

j0shi82

Oh yeah, the opposing team needs a point but that's it. Everything else works against your glory/minute gain.

kaylos29

dndmasterdark wrote: »

Courtesy to the enemy in pvp? Now I think i've heard it all *rolls eyes*
I just joined a match and the first thing the opposing team said was "no kills, just cap" This guy expects everyone to just run around ignoring each other and get nodes for points. That is NOT pvp. Maybe get rid of points completely for initially getting a node and give them a damage buff instead for owning one. That should fix the issue.
The more that say disabling zone chat in a pvp 5 man arena the more I think it should be done. No offense!
All I hear anyways is argueing, swearing, harrassment and 1v1? Really 1v1 in a 5 man match? What is it your trying to do boost your ego or something, I do not get that one.

Just my opinion!

P.S. I still do not understand why I am hearing zone chat from other matches, clearly these people that are speaking are nowhere to be seen in my match. It is just wierd.

They aren't my real enemy. I have been deployed to combat and faced a real enemy. People in pvp are simply other game players who want to have fun. It is a game and I for one would rather encourage people that try to actually play but are get overrun because they are outgeared or outplayed. I will not cater to those asking for handouts though.

dndmasterdark

But I roleplay being an enemy in pvp, not your friend handing out welfare candy.

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