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Master of Archery Fundamentally Altered
freedumb4eva
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It seems to me that a free respec should be given as a courtesy to players when a significant change is made to either a class, a paragon path, or a feat line. When that change might directly affect the perception of how that class, paragon path, or feat line feels and/or functions according to the players, then a free respec should be given out.
In many other games, this very practice is in effect whenever such changes occur. Yet, here, that practice seems to be completely ignored. This is, in my opinion, egregious in a game where the only way to respec, in full, is to spend real life currency.
By ignoring the practice of offering free respecs when major changes occur, this opens up a business practice of altering abilities in order to force players to either accept their new perceptions of their chosen role (even though it was chosen during a totally different environment than what exists after a major change) or pay real life currency for a mistake that was made on the part of, not the player, but the development company. Further changes could be made to continue to force players to make the very same choices on a repeated frequency.
This, to me, does not seem fair to the players who often spend money on the game already. I also don't think that it is fair to deem major changes as, "Bug fixes," in order to exonerate the development company from any responsibility when it comes to offering free respecs after a major change.
I am disappointed in the lack of adherence to what, to me, are some of the most basic business practices of MMORPG development companies. Recent changes have affected gameplay in an adverse manner, yet no regard has been given to players who are affected by these changes.
The Master of Archery feat has been fundamentally altered in a way that affects the perception of that feat by the players who followed a Paragon Feat path in order to acquire that feat, and set their builds around it. Due to this change, players who are unhappy with the new way that the Master of Archery feat functions, are stuck with it, or forced to pay for the mistakes of the development company in order to change their feats.
The previous functionality of this feat affected At-Will abilities. The text of the feat reflected that functionality. Now, according to a post on the preview server forums, this functionality has been deemed as a bug. Has this bug been fixed by completely altering the functionality of this feat, and also changing it's text? What was the bug exactly? These questions have never been clarified upon.
Players who are unhappy with the new functionality of this feat are left with only two options, accept it, or pay. I don't think that this is fair to players.
In many other games, this very practice is in effect whenever such changes occur. Yet, here, that practice seems to be completely ignored. This is, in my opinion, egregious in a game where the only way to respec, in full, is to spend real life currency.
By ignoring the practice of offering free respecs when major changes occur, this opens up a business practice of altering abilities in order to force players to either accept their new perceptions of their chosen role (even though it was chosen during a totally different environment than what exists after a major change) or pay real life currency for a mistake that was made on the part of, not the player, but the development company. Further changes could be made to continue to force players to make the very same choices on a repeated frequency.
This, to me, does not seem fair to the players who often spend money on the game already. I also don't think that it is fair to deem major changes as, "Bug fixes," in order to exonerate the development company from any responsibility when it comes to offering free respecs after a major change.
I am disappointed in the lack of adherence to what, to me, are some of the most basic business practices of MMORPG development companies. Recent changes have affected gameplay in an adverse manner, yet no regard has been given to players who are affected by these changes.
The Master of Archery feat has been fundamentally altered in a way that affects the perception of that feat by the players who followed a Paragon Feat path in order to acquire that feat, and set their builds around it. Due to this change, players who are unhappy with the new way that the Master of Archery feat functions, are stuck with it, or forced to pay for the mistakes of the development company in order to change their feats.
The previous functionality of this feat affected At-Will abilities. The text of the feat reflected that functionality. Now, according to a post on the preview server forums, this functionality has been deemed as a bug. Has this bug been fixed by completely altering the functionality of this feat, and also changing it's text? What was the bug exactly? These questions have never been clarified upon.
Players who are unhappy with the new functionality of this feat are left with only two options, accept it, or pay. I don't think that this is fair to players.
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Or wait another week to see if they tweak it again....
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Rangers with 9-10k GS and no stone still easily outdps CWs who have 13-14k GS with stone in PvE after the patch today both against single and multiple targets.
My friend plays as a CW. He always tops damage scoreboard in any instance. After HR came out, we took one to FH, and he outdpsed CW by 1kk at the end (15kk HR vs 14kk CW), and he had an average gear with 11k GS.
Actually it is highly relevant since if, as a certain poster claims, the Ranger is still massively OP even after this nerf then there is absolutely no reason for the Devs to consider giving out a free respec...
As I recall, it was described as "more of a bug fix" which means it wasn't a bug fix, but a change. If it was an actual bug fix they would have just called it that, rather than using a hedging description of the action.
Should players get a respec for it? Perhaps they should ultimately get one, but they certainly shouldn't get one right now. There is a good chance more changes will be made with the class just being released.
I think it would be wiser for them to wait until they finish tuning up the HR into its 'finished state' (which means no more changes are planned to be made in the imminent future as we all know change in a MMO never ends) and then give out a respec once the dust settles, so that the free respec for class tuning need only be given out once.
I remember this run, I was the HR involved. To be clear, I was rocking Perfect Vorpal and relying on Master of Archery to proc to push maximium Damage. I think this was the run where I had to kite the Last boss for 3% with all the adds?
For Pve - Master of Archery is key to maximising Dps. It allows the HR to succeed with AoE dps. It has copped a really hard nerf. Taking away At wills and a 20 second ICD imo is too much. 10 seconds and still affecting at wills still allows it to be a viable capstone feat. The way it is now though? I wouldn't give it the time of day. And with these changes, None of the HR capstone Feats are really attractive.
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In my experience, this is false. My CW has partied with quite a few HR's at this point and none of them have come close to my CW's DPS.
I can read the future for you. People will cry the the HR is OP in PvP. The nerf bat beats them black and blue every patch until they can barely solo sharrandar. The forums will be flooded with HRs crying about impotency then they will get some modicum of power back. Then the crying about OP in PvP will start again. Its a cycle, don't let it bother you. Go enjoy your character and any gimps administered, it will make you love your character even more.
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I doubt they already fixed the brand new bug. so there's that.
My HR has 27%Crit. and that to me is very good. An (on average) 1 in 4 chance of a crit hit? Excellent ... POWER Should always be up high in any classes focus if you want to consistently get big numbers and do big damage, because that SHOULD and DOES effect every hit. I cant believe a supposedly experienced player would make a post about what a HR does or doesn't need and not include this.
Armor pen is a more effective stat (up to 24% in PvE). Just thought you should know.
While i agree with you, It is kind of underhanded to completely change an end-tree feat and try to claim it as a "Bug fix".
No, it wasn't. Our HR had normal Vorpal same as a CW.
Still, no matter Master of Archery nerf, there are 2 tools that allow you to deal high additional damage - Thorn Ward and Split the Sky. Considering you gotta just cast those once and they deal damage equal to TR's at-wills and they end right before you can place them again, HR's are still very strong in terms of pve damage.
Power is the worst stat to stack due to PWES coding.
Only after every other stat has hit Hard diminishing returns (Crit and Arp) is it worthwhile to stack power. For both PvE and PvP
19.9k PvP Control Wizard
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I'll admit my HR is pretty squishy with big hitting enemies, if they get a crit. on me, but I can go "Toe to Toe" with a Frost Golem and only lose about 1/4 health, as long as they don't crit me or get combat advantage.
When I saw what the Capstone said, I didn't really believe myself, I had a feeling that it was a mistake in the text description, because it just didn't sound right. So i never planned on making it the be all and end all of my character.
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If it wasn't supposed to work as described why was it programed to work as described.
It is quite plain this wasn't a bug fix. If the description of the power was different from how the power worked it could easily be a bug fix, but it worked exactly as it was described to, so it wasn't.
It simply didn't work out the way they had hoped, so they decided to change it, and for whatever reason said the change was akin to a bug fix. This was poor form on their part, as a change shouldn't be passed off as akin to a bug fix as that just insults the intelligence of players.
In any case, I didn't state I was opposed to a free respec. I simply stated that this wouldn't be the best time for that respec as the class is quite new and complex so there could well be more changes coming.
Once those working on the class have all their ducks in a row and they feel it will be stable for some time, it would be a good time for a free respec to be given if they decide to go that route, which I think would be reasonable.
Is there really a situation where getting more crits is bad? I can't think of one.
The allocation of stats can be worked around by the player adjusting his selected equipment, enchants, and runestones. This is the same thing I had to do when the changed Divine Clerics in such a way that my initial stat selection was no longer ideal and it worked out just fine. So, this isn't really an issue.
What is likely an issue to those players that took the tree is that the capstone feat was changed so that it is less than ideal, which is something players can't work around if they specialize in that tree. If there is any need for action, it would be to once again revise that feat so it provides a better benefit for ranged specialists.
EITHER give it a 20 sec CD, OR make it only affect encounters. Either way, doing both is WAY too much. Basically just made the feat in the tree worthless...
- coming from a person who doesnt have a HR
I think that it's clear that the nerf is a purely PvP based one (again).
I'm having the exact opposite problem, I have a permanent MoA buff! Every Thorn ward and Rain of Arrows i drop is a permanent crit.
Well considering the Control Wizard is supposed to be a Control class and the common perception is the Hunter Ranger is supposed to be a Striker class. I find it reasonable to assume a class that's build for DPS that has so much less real utility would do more damage than a class that has more control. HR's need to be good at something otherwise people will dump the HR for a CW in epic dungeons.
yea once master of archery proc, all your encounters have 100% chance of doing
critical hits, i reported this 10min after patch, but i dont think anyone took me
seriously. but kinda odd only a few actually noticed it. so i hope it go's unnoticed.
just hope the devs dont nerf the ranger class into extinction.
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Quality testing at its best obviously...